I've hit an LLV with a forge gun and complex damage mods... to very little effect.

I've yet to kill an LLV. Maybe I just suck. Maybe the LLV is OP. Or perhaps it is a combo of the two. I don't proclaim to know what, but something is most assuredly off.

We have it.
It's called Forgegun.
Get the advanced version.
Skill true AV.
Stop Crying.

The LLAV is hard to destroy but it is still destroy able (I do it everyday with my proto swarms)

They are a little OP though.

LLAVs should be a lot slower.

Not weaker.

But I wuv my LLAV.

Last night had a logistics lav run over 4 proximity mines ( grant you they were basic ) didn't even dint the damn thing!

Upgrade av

Proto Proximity mines / multiple proxi types layed out in one spot (proxis flip LLVs over if placed correctly good for a following blow)

Forge

Swarm

(Almost said plasma cannon)

stop using them ezmode av nades always hated those things

When an LAV goes into circling mode, it's almost impossible to destroy with AV alone because it just runs someone over, leaves, reps, then returns at full health to do the cycle all over again.

Only way to stop that is to block the escape route with vehicles, or use my special "anti- LAV LAV" (Methana or Abron with advanced railgun or blaster)

LLAVs are fine!

You want to kill it? Skill into proto AV! You wanting to kill one with an MLT swarm launcher will do you no good! You don't want to skill into proto AV? Too bad, your problem. *Crunch!*

Stop asking to nerf vehicles to s***. LLAVs are like the only proto vehicles we got, as they actually take proto AV to kill (or the occasional moment when the driver is shot out of the seat)

You use small rail? How are they, were pretty useless in chrome if I remember correctly

LLAVs are fine!

You want to kill it? Skill into proto AV! You wanting to kill one with an MLT swarm launcher will do you no good! You don't want to skill into proto AV? Too bad, your problem. *Crunch!*

Stop asking to nerf vehicles to s***. LLAVs are like the only proto vehicles we got, as they actually take proto AV to kill (or the occasional moment when the driver is shot out of the seat)

I am skilled into proto AVs. I've watched them home in, then explode harmlessly. Didn't even take down the shield. I've even had them bounce off the bloody LAV back towards me.

The few times I manage to kill LAVs with grenades these days...the LAV was stopped, already half dead, or I got lucky and it drove across a grenade that ended up on the ground when it missed one of the other LAVs. When Lai Dais and Wiyrkomis can't bring down LAVs, there's a problem. Maybe it's a targeting issue since even regular LAVs take a minimum of two proto-AVs to bring down unless they're at a standstill.

Edit: I am less afraid of tanks than LAVs.

Logi LAVs are fine, but several game bugs are not.

The two are related in that right now explosives, and to a lessor extent splash weapons suffer from several bugs causing their effective damage to be drastically diminished. Grenades, Mass Drivers, and to some extent even Forge Guns are all functioning at lower levels than they did in Chrome due to these bugs. Swarms avoid some of these bugs but they are geared for killing armor tanking not shield tanking so a fast LAV with a shield tank can essentially ignore them.

Speed is another issue, one of the bugs causes incorrect UI feedback where the location your game tells you something is, and the location the sever actually puts it do not match in effect causing you to shoot empty air while being told you're hitting your target. The faster the intended target the greater the chance that it's moved away from the "ghost image" you're shooting at.

I've killed Logi LAVs this build (the most in a single match was 5 and we got a DS and 3 or 4 HAVs as well) so it's quite doable but it's also harder than is intended due to the bugs. Look at the list of AV weapons, are there any which aren't explosive or splash?

TL;DR In short we won't know where the real balance (or imbalance) stands until CCP fixes these bugs because the AV half of the equation is currently broken at the pre-stat mechanical level.

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You can destroy LLAVs if they get stuck. There have been several instances when I've seen an LLAV keep driving in the same circle with multiple AVers shooting at it, and it never got destroyed. Swarms would just hit walls going after it, and it would simply run over forge gunners, then drive off and rep.

We desperately need AV nades to work again like they did in chrome. ATM if the lav is moving, at all, they pretty much never actually hit.

av nades in cromosome were OP. they out damaged prototype swarms and forge guns.

the proto packed av nade did 4000 damage that was ridicules.

they are ballanced now

the free lav needs a eph nerf

Used to do that with my saga back in crome......I loved that thing I'll miss her

No not all lav's, read bro, im specifically talking about the yellow, logi lavs.

No not all lav's, read bro, im specifically talking about the yellow, logi lavs.

You can destroy LLAVs if they get stuck. There have been several instances when I've seen an LLAV keep driving in the same circle with multiple AVers shooting at it, and it never got destroyed. Swarms would just hit walls going after it, and it would simply run over forge gunners, then drive off and rep.

Used to do that with my saga back in crome......I loved that thing I'll miss her