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Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 221	Posted - 2013.06.29 10:32:00 - [61] - Quote Dale Templar wrote: Cordera Ray wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Cordera Ray wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I personally saw no problem with keeping my stats after the release. U WERE ALREADY AHEAD OF MOST OF NEW PLAYER WHEN THEY BEGAN I know. XD NOW LISTSEN THE REASON U NEVER PROBLEM WAS LIKE I SAID IN FIRST U GUYS WERE AHEAD OF THE NEW PLAYER THAT IT. KNOW ON THIS POST PUT UP ONLY THING I WANT TO KNOW WAS WHAT IF CCP WOULD RESET THE PPL THAT PLAY BETA REGRADLESS OF IF THEY WOULD LOSE THE CUSTOMER BECAUSE OF IT OR GAIN NEW PLAYER. what the hell does this even say Yeah... Might be german or even portuguese..
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 505	Posted - 2013.06.29 12:03:00 - [62] - Quote No matter when is/was the final reset, there will always be players joining the game at considerably later time. So there will always be the situation that some people have played more than others. It is inevitable in a game with any game with developement of char/assets, and even without those some other advantages.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 248	Posted - 2013.06.29 12:12:00 - [63] - Quote Simple answer was CCP said open beta players would not be reset. More complex answer would be if CCP intended to reset people on May 14th then they should have taken a different approach to open beta. If they had just allocated SP and Isk each week and said go test out the gear and the skill tree then a reset wouldn't have mattered due to the fact that we did not earn that Isk and SP e.g. Week 1, Wednesday receive 1 mil SP and 10 mil Isk, week 2 another 2 mil SP and 10 mil Isk and so on. However, what they introduced was effectively the actual game and the need for players to grind SP, regardless of how much fun you had playing, to level up your characters and get better gear. If they had then announced at the start of open beta that your toon would be reset would have resulted in most people not playing the game in the first place especially when they realised how much SP was needed just for core skills etc. A lot of new players, when they realise, how much SP they need to earn over a period of months just to get an average fit toon give up even now. Imagine the impact if you then told them that you will also be resetting them in 4 months as well. Edit. CCP was also selling boosters, via Aurum, for real money. There would have been no incentive to buy them if you knew you were going to be reset for the majority of people.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 336	Posted - 2013.06.29 12:29:00 - [64] - Quote OMFG H A R D E N T H E F U C K U P 3 months from now some spanking n00b with similac on his breath is gonna be in here crying because YOU have more SP! OPEN BETA means ANYONE could participate. If you didn't that is your problem!
Knightshade Belladonna G.R.A.V.E 380	Posted - 2013.06.29 12:52:00 - [65] - Quote For the longest time I was under the assumption we would be reset on releas, or just a couple weeks prior. Not having a whole 5.5 months boon over everyone. To many people bickered I guess.. we had been reset numerous times, atleast those who have been here since the beginning, or near to ( been here since mordus ) and it would not have hurt me in the slightest to be reset again for official. Hell many of us got other perks that more than would make up for the reset ( ultra cheap aur costs on bpo items , free bpo suits , and the biggest of all EXPERIENCE ). What's done is done though, damage has already been dealt and fixing now would be detremental to the game in it's current state. Eventually it will blow over hopefully as more get up to the 5 mil + sp mark, at that point you should have decent core skills and an advanced suit if you plan the tree right.
Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 8	Posted - 2013.06.29 16:22:00 - [66] - Quote Dale Templar wrote: Cordera Ray wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Cordera Ray wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I personally saw no problem with keeping my stats after the release. U WERE ALREADY AHEAD OF MOST OF NEW PLAYER WHEN THEY BEGAN I know. XD NOW LISTSEN THE REASON U NEVER PROBLEM WAS LIKE I SAID IN FIRST U GUYS WERE AHEAD OF THE NEW PLAYER THAT IT. KNOW ON THIS POST PUT UP ONLY THING I WANT TO KNOW WAS WHAT IF CCP WOULD RESET THE PPL THAT PLAY BETA REGRADLESS OF IF THEY WOULD LOSE THE CUSTOMER BECAUSE OF IT OR GAIN NEW PLAYER. what the hell does this even say Sense u didn't bother to read it and acting like a fool rite now im going to explain what I was trying to say to u ok. What I was trying to u was there is a reason that u never had a problem like said because u are ahead of all the new player. now I said what if ccp would reset those player that were ahead of the new player on day one ok. if they did would u still play the game or quit like a 12 year old would cry moan complain making excuse that some how u stat was reset ok. now if going to act like stupid on what just said to u then don't reply back. ok
Django Quik R.I.f.t 772	Posted - 2013.06.29 17:24:00 - [67] - Quote I think the thing people are struggling with in this thread is that the OP is clearly not a native english speaker, so the grammar and structure of his writing is very difficult to understand. However, I think I understood pretty well what was said in the OP and answered in a clear and sensible manner but was entirely ignored in favour of arguing with trolls and jokers in order to try to prove some point. Shouting at people who are making fun of you doesn't make you right in your original statement.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2951	Posted - 2013.06.29 17:31:00 - [68] - Quote Cordera It's people like you who are the reason why I have little faith in humanity. You asked a question and you received your answer that spans for pages yet you act like only your opinions matters and not that of everyone else. Hell, you couldn't even take a joke that I posted here. Comes to show how selfish you are on the inside.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 216	Posted - 2013.06.29 17:35:00 - [69] - Quote We've all been reset a couple of times before. Just so happens that from Chromosome to Uprising, they only reset the accounts of those that asked for it, otherwise they just put all of our SP into the unallocated pool. If they hadn't reset us, I'm sure some people would be working towards 40m SP by now, if not more.
Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 9	Posted - 2013.06.29 17:54:00 - [70] - Quote Django Quik wrote: I think the thing people are struggling with in this thread is that the OP is clearly not a native english speaker, so the grammar and structure of his writing is very difficult to understand. However, I think I understood pretty well what was said in the OP and answered in a clear and sensible manner but was entirely ignored in favour of arguing with trolls and jokers in order to try to prove some point. Shouting at people who are making fun of you doesn't make you right in your original statement. Let try to explain to u I all im saying is what if CCP Reset the current player before the new player that is all ok don't if u cant understand then u know what I mean when I said that and don't try to make fool about my grammer being bad if u read don't reply

Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 9	Posted - 2013.06.29 17:58:00 - [71] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Cordera It's people like you who are the reason why I have little faith in humanity. You asked a question and you received your answer that spans for pages yet you act like only your opinions matters and not that of everyone else. Hell, you couldn't even take a joke that I posted here. Comes to show how selfish you are on the inside. People like me huh ok I guess u probably degress on what I said if CCP would reset the player that play open beta ok and what joke did u post I last I checked I didn't take it as a joke i took like that something u disagree in that all. now don't try to be jackass ok because if u are there nothing to talk about. what i said is what i said all i want is to see how many ppl would agree or disagree or having something else to explain to me why ccp should or shouldn't ok.
Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 9	Posted - 2013.06.29 18:11:00 - [72] - Quote Listen i don't caer what ur opinion is of what i wrote or said what im trying to say is Why didn't CCP reset those ppl that play beta until lunch of may 14 that is all. if u want to act stubborn about it be my guess. all i want to have positive feedback from u that it not having a debate on whatever that they should of did it or not. now what it change thing no it wouldn't. u can sit here and brag about how bad my grammer or u sit there and read and give me a feedback oh whether or not CCP should or not. P.S. don't try to act like dumb**** because some ppl cant spell or write u know what they wrote try to make sense in ur head not ur mouth.
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 77	Posted - 2013.06.29 18:27:00 - [73] - Quote The game is still in beta that's why no one received a SP reset. Hence why the player numbers went from 9000 to 5000.. CCP never promoted that if you play the beta you keep the SP for release. That's why this game will have mostly the beta vets playing. Then on top of uprising is a beta build hence why we have so many bugs and we are missing 90% of the game. Fail all the way around lmao.
Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 9	Posted - 2013.06.29 18:32:00 - [74] - Quote KING SALASI wrote: The game is still in beta that's why no one received a SP reset. Hence why the player numbers went from 9000 to 5000.. CCP never promoted that if you play the beta you keep the SP for release. That's why this game will have mostly the beta vets playing. Then on top of uprising is a beta build hence why we have so many bugs and we are missing 90% of the game. Fail all the way around lmao. How is this game a beta and already out of console on CD. there is no way that this game came be a beta even if were missing 90% of the game would u think there may update the game put this those thing in later.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 773	Posted - 2013.06.29 18:40:00 - [75] - Quote Cordera Ray wrote: Listen i don't caer what ur opinion is of what i wrote or said what im trying to say is Why didn't CCP reset those ppl that play beta until lunch of may 14 that is all. if u want to act stubborn about it be my guess. all i want to have positive feedback from u that it not having a debate on whatever that they should of did it or not. now what it change thing no it wouldn't. u can sit here and brag about how bad my grammer or u sit there and read and give me a feedback oh whether or not CCP should or not. P.S. don't try to act like dumb**** because some ppl cant spell or write u know what they wrote try to make sense in ur head not ur mouth. Seriously, people can not understand what you are saying - making sense of what you are typing is very difficult. Also, since you've clearly got an attitude, people are hardly likely to go out of their way to be pleasant to you. Now, I originally posted a perfectly civil explanation of several reasons why a reset didn't occur and you ignored it. I then tried to explain why people weren't understanding what you were saying and you came back with a snarky response still ignoring my explanatory response. What you seem to want is to be able to post an idea in a public forum that people aren't allowed to openly disagree with and only can post 'positive feedback'. This is a forum for debate and people clearly want to debate what you've tried to say - who are you to tell us what we can and can't post? You are the only one here acting stubbornly.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 773	Posted - 2013.06.29 18:41:00 - [76] - Quote Cordera Ray wrote: KING SALASI wrote: The game is still in beta that's why no one received a SP reset. Hence why the player numbers went from 9000 to 5000.. CCP never promoted that if you play the beta you keep the SP for release. That's why this game will have mostly the beta vets playing. Then on top of uprising is a beta build hence why we have so many bugs and we are missing 90% of the game. Fail all the way around lmao. How is this game a beta and already out of console on CD. there is no way that this game came be a beta even if were missing 90% of the game would u think there may update the game put this those thing in later. Ha! The game is technically not a beta but it's certainly not on CD. And we are actually missing at least 90% of the game, so yes, you fail all the way around lmao.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 249	Posted - 2013.06.29 18:45:00 - [77] - Quote Unfortunately King Salasi was being sarcastic basically saying that the game was not ready for an official release yet. To your question we do not know why CCP didn't reset everyone on the official release of the game. Maybe they thought it was a reward for the beta players or they thought they would loose too many players of they did. It could be because they wanted to show players using the more advanced high end gear or maybe because they were selling stuff for real money. Maybe all of the above or none of the above. Only CCP knows the answer for sure all we can voice is opinions or put another way a guess.
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 77	Posted - 2013.06.29 18:45:00 - [78] - Quote Cordera Ray wrote: KING SALASI wrote: The game is still in beta that's why no one received a SP reset. Hence why the player numbers went from 9000 to 5000.. CCP never promoted that if you play the beta you keep the SP for release. That's why this game will have mostly the beta vets playing. Then on top of uprising is a beta build hence why we have so many bugs and we are missing 90% of the game. Fail all the way around lmao. How is this game a beta and already out of console on CD. there is no way that this game came be a beta even if were missing 90% of the game would u think there may update the game put this those thing in later. Are you that stupid name me one console game that released with 10% content with promise of soon tm??? The game still plays like a beta with the disguise of being a released game. Look been playing video games for over 25 years I've never seen such a **** poor release. The game received bad reviews by the media and players. This was a failed experiment on console best move for CCP is to move dust to pc. Cut bait take your losses and start over. The players will continue to drop with PS4 coming and all the next gen games. This console not pc players will move on, and based on CCP development of this game it take them years to get Dust right.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 1NC 599	Posted - 2013.06.29 18:51:00 - [79] - Quote Yes of course there should have been a reset on launch. Goes without saying. Problem is the SP cap though, it makes no difference whether they reset at launch. New players will never catch up. But there aren't any new players, so does it matter. The, no reset, the skill cap and 7yr skill tree are just three of the many reasons this game is dead already.
Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 9	Posted - 2013.06.29 18:53:00 - [80] - Quote KING SALASI wrote: Cordera Ray wrote: KING SALASI wrote: The game is still in beta that's why no one received a SP reset. Hence why the player numbers went from 9000 to 5000.. CCP never promoted that if you play the beta you keep the SP for release. That's why this game will have mostly the beta vets playing. Then on top of uprising is a beta build hence why we have so many bugs and we are missing 90% of the game. Fail all the way around lmao. How is this game a beta and already out of console on CD. there is no way that this game came be a beta even if were missing 90% of the game would u think there may update the game put this those thing in later. Are you that stupid name me one console game that released with 10% content with promise of soon tm??? The game still plays like a beta with the disguise of being a released game. Look been playing video games for over 25 years I've never seen such a **** poor release. The game received bad reviews by the media and players. This was a failed experiment on console best move for CCP is to move dust to pc. Cut bait take your losses and start over. The players will continue to drop with PS4 coming and all the next gen games. This console not pc players will move on, and based on CCP development of this game it take them years to get Dust right. dude it doesn't matter u cant just call a game that still in a beta because how do u explain that cover of a game that inside ps3 case and u going to tell that im stupid because im not call it a beta if it was a beta would think that ccp would not release a game on ps3 that have ps3 case and the cover that said dust 514 inside case come on man. not saying this game is not a beta if say that then be my guess i don't care what u say from hear on end

Django Quik R.I.f.t 773	Posted - 2013.06.29 18:55:00 - [81] - Quote What are you talking about!? Dust514 is download only - there is no CD, no case and no cover. And please read other people's posts instead of just the trolls.
Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 9	Posted - 2013.06.29 19:05:00 - [82] - Quote Django Quik wrote: What are you talking about!? Dust514 is download only - there is no CD, no case and no cover. And please read other people's posts instead of just the trolls. look man im not trolling i can give a rat * but listen no i did take few min to re look at it and yea i made one mistake that but still im not calling this game a f*king beta ok end of story.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 773	Posted - 2013.06.29 19:07:00 - [83] - Quote Cordera Ray wrote: Django Quik wrote: What are you talking about!? Dust514 is download only - there is no CD, no case and no cover. And please read other people's posts instead of just the trolls. look man im not trolling i can give a rat * but listen no i did take few min to re look at it and yea i made one mistake that but still im not calling this game a f*king beta ok end of story. I'm not calling you a troll - I'm calling the other guy a troll. I'm also not saying the game is a beta but it is missing at least 90% of the content. Look this thread really is going nowhere and especially not the direction you seem to want it to go, so my best advice is just to let it die already.
Eriknaught Vader's Taco Shack 11	Posted - 2013.06.29 19:10:00 - [84] - Quote Fresh meat and their "disadvantages..." pfff. I was new at one point, you know. Me and my starter SP vs Closed Beta vets with Kitten-Tons of SP. What did I do? Cry because I didn't have the same gear as people who'd been playing far longer than I? No, I looked at those ahead of me and took notes. After a couple months I was able to run on a "moderately" same playing field. This game is about longevity, not instant gratification. You want to start a game at more-or-less the same level as people who bought the game the minute it came out? They have those, look around the forum, there are plenty of suggestions for an instant shooter fix. Basically, if your new I got this to say: Welcome to New Eden, where all clones are NOT created equal. That is all. Eriknaught out. END TRANSMISSION.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2868	Posted - 2013.06.29 19:23:00 - [85] - Quote lol - "IDC WHAT YOUR OPINIONS ARE." Then mail your complaint to CCP and gtfo of the forums.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2953	Posted - 2013.06.29 19:31:00 - [86] - Quote OK, we are going way off topic here. OP, I apologize for my joke which you took the wrong the wrong way. I didn't mean for it to be insulting. Anyways, Dust is a unique game in own in the sense that the company behind is operating under a set of rules that they created. A lot of games that you see now follow traditional rules on what is considered complete and what is considered beta. Dust on the other hand, just like Eve Online, blurrs that fine line completely. Officially Dust is in commercial release but unofficially it will forever be in permanent beta just like Eve Online. Again, CCP is rewriting the rules on how games are designed and published just like how Apple Inc. redesigned the entire music industry with 0.99 cent songs in an age where the music industry thought otherwise. Eve Online did the same thing with the MMO industry in an age where most MMOs were suppose to be theme park like but Eve blew that out of the water with the introduction of a universe so harsh and yet so free that you can do things in there that would otherwise get you banned elsewhere. Now Dust is bringing in a concept that other FPS console game developers are too scared to even try which is basically the idea of a free-to-play game that has endless (and free) updates that will improve over the years while giving players the ability to dictate how the game is developed via the Council of Planetary Management. The Council of Planetary Management (CPM) is the console version of Eve Online's Council of Stellar Management (CSM) which in the future is slated to become player-elected and thus give players a much stronger voice than the current CPM we have now. In fact, the current CPM's purpose is to help CCP establish a proper voting system for the next CPM election so that players can finally determine the outcome of the development of Dust. This is something you don't really see in other game besides Eve Online. Eve Online and Dust are the only games in the entire MMO and Console industries with their own player representatives whose purpose is to determine the outcome of game development in addition to helping players bring forward issues that need to be resolved. On top of that, both games are planned to have a single unified economy that crosses both platforms while players have full control over it which is another thing you are never going to see in any other game. CCP has reset our accounts to zero during the transition from the Singularity Test Server to the Tranquillity Live Server. But then they gave us a week to grind however much we want before we then moved into open beta. That is when CCP allowed us to keep our SP as a reward for those who stuck around during that one week period. We earned it and that is all. Traditionally game developers would have reset everyone on launch anyways, but again CCP is operating under their own rules and felt there was no point in having everyone start off on even ground because eventually new players will come in months or years down the line and still be facing against veterans anyways. On top of that, there is also the fact that the skill tree is intentionally designed to take 7-10 years to complete so that every player still has something to aim for in the future. I understand that there are players out there who don't like starting off on uneven ground let alone willing to grind for 7-10 years, but that is how CCP has planned it in the first place. Many of us expected this as well since 2009 for those of us who were around back then. I hope this explains things better for you.
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 77	Posted - 2013.06.29 19:39:00 - [87] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Cordera Ray wrote: Django Quik wrote: What are you talking about!? Dust514 is download only - there is no CD, no case and no cover. And please read other people's posts instead of just the trolls. look man im not trolling i can give a rat * but listen no i did take few min to re look at it and yea i made one mistake that but still im not calling this game a f*king beta ok end of story. I'm not calling you a troll - I'm calling the other guy a troll. I'm also not saying the game is a beta but it is missing at least 90% of the content. Look this thread really is going nowhere and especially not the direction you seem to want it to go, so my best advice is just to let it die already. Lol this old man don't troll. Call it like i see it, CCP can fool you young pups. Old dogs like me can see right thru the shenanigans. No one can't name me one console game that launched with 10% content, with the promise of soon tm. Look i play eve online i pay for that game is great. Dust was a failed experiment you know as well that the playerbase will continue to shrink due to next gen, and the lack of content and the other issues dust have. I've never seen a console game recover from a failed launch pc yes console no.
mollerz Minja Scouts 524	Posted - 2013.06.29 19:41:00 - [88] - Quote Cordera Ray wrote: mollerz wrote: WTF is this dude trying to say? Sounds about as dumb as his ability to express himself. Oh WTF im trying to say ok let me explain to u what I was trying to say I was wondering why CCP didn't reset the current ppl stat that play the beta mode until may 14 when the game came out. that what im talking about. if u got some dumb lame line to tell me be my guess. I'll just say this. The sentence structure is far better, and you satisfactorily expressed your thoughts well enough. Sadly, in subsequent posts you fell apart, however. P.S. If I see you in game, I am going to scalp you repeatedly. You might shoot me down, but i'll always have your scalp.
Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 9	Posted - 2013.06.29 20:33:00 - [89] - Quote KING SALASI wrote: Django Quik wrote: Cordera Ray wrote: Django Quik wrote: What are you talking about!? Dust514 is download only - there is no CD, no case and no cover. And please read other people's posts instead of just the trolls. look man im not trolling i can give a rat * but listen no i did take few min to re look at it and yea i made one mistake that but still im not calling this game a f*king beta ok end of story. I'm not calling you a troll - I'm calling the other guy a troll. I'm also not saying the game is a beta but it is missing at least 90% of the content. Look this thread really is going nowhere and especially not the direction you seem to want it to go, so my best advice is just to let it die already. Lol this old man don't troll. Call it like i see it, CCP can fool you young pups. Old dogs like me can see right thru the shenanigans. No one can't name me one console game that launched with 10% content, with the promise of soon tm. Look i play eve online i pay for that game is great. Dust was a failed experiment you know as well that the playerbase will continue to shrink due to next gen, and the lack of content and the other issues dust have. I've never seen a console game recover from a failed launch pc yes console no. MOH WARFIGHTER IS ONE, THAT ONLY ONE I CAN THINK OF THAT HAVE A BETA BUT THERE WERE ALOT THAT WAS MISSING FROM THAT GAME.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2954	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:05:00 - [90] - Quote @cordera I recommend toning down the use of caps lock. It really doesn't help convey anything that you are saying other than just screaming.



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