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Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:21:00 -
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Havent seen it anywhere yet. Can I haz please? Trading isk for aur would be cool/no pay to win arguments. |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
578
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:22:00 -
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u can haz a SaMMiCh now get to work!
not this isn't coming anytime soon |
Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:25:00 -
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I truly doubt they will let you trade AUR to other players. However, when the game has a real economy so money is not just totally worthless, there would be no reason to disallow AUR only items.
Which is great because I have a completely worthless SEVER suit. No way in hell am I blowing 500,000 SP to get a free level 1 Logi suit. (Still annoyed about that) |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:27:00 -
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I extended my vacation boss, be back Tuesday. Won some money at the 200 buy in poker, but I'm losing most of it on these slots. I think their rigged... |
Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:30:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:I truly doubt they will let you trade AUR to other players. However, when the game has a real economy so money is not just totally worthless, there would be no reason to disallow AUR only items.
Which is great because I have a completely worthless SEVER suit. No way in hell am I blowing 500,000 SP to get a free level 1 Logi suit. (Still annoyed about that)
Lol I petitioned to get the aur back for my sever long ago bro. Got my 20k aur back and I'm happy as a clam. So you are for it but don't think it will happen. Well that's lame. You added nothing any other blueberry would have said. I need discussion! Are there any who think it'd be wrong? |
Provolonee
Undefined Risk DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:48:00 -
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Great question, I would buy aur for isk. I didn't see any mention of aur so I would say soon maybe. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:55:00 -
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Aurum will and should be never transferrable for various reasons. |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:11:00 -
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can AUR be transfered in EVE? I forget. If so, then yes, if no, then no. THat said, you will be able to buy items with aur and sell them directly, so isn't that just as good? |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
5460
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:13:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:can AUR be transfered in EVE? I forget. If so, then yes, if no, then no. THat said, you will be able to buy items with aur and sell them directly, so isn't that just as good?
In eve? also no.
However items bought with AUR can be sold for isk. |
Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:14:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aurum will and should be never transferrable for various reasons.
Wut? Why? And plex? |
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Vitoka79 from SVK
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:15:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aurum will and should be never transferrable for various reasons. Why not?What are those various reasons? |
Nin Ker
Forsaken Immortals
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:16:00 -
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If you can buy aurumn for isk, where would Dust get the real money from?
Don't think it will or should ever happen. |
Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:17:00 -
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Nin Ker wrote:If you can buy aurumn for isk, where would Dust get the real money from?
Don't think it will or should ever happen.
Can't buy aurum for isk, just trade already purchased aurum to another player for isk. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
5460
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:19:00 -
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Vitoka79 from SVK wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aurum will and should be never transferrable for various reasons. Why not?What are those various reasons?
Something involving IRL stuff oddly >< Taxes Governments the sorts. |
Nin Ker
Forsaken Immortals
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:36:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Nin Ker wrote:If you can buy aurumn for isk, where would Dust get the real money from?
Don't think it will or should ever happen. Can't buy aurum for isk, just trade already purchased aurum to another player for isk.
Meant to say "If you could" instead of "If you can". My bad. |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:38:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Vitoka79 from SVK wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aurum will and should be never transferrable for various reasons. Why not?What are those various reasons? Something involving IRL stuff oddly >< Taxes Governments the sorts.
Really? Can you elaborate? Any specifics? I agree if you can sell aur items aur transfers would be superflous but with the player market m.i.a. this seems easier to implement. |
Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
360
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:39:00 -
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I'm DONE with DUST for good and giving away all my stuff! Send me 10K AUR and I'll double it on the spot! |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
341
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:41:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:I'm DONE with DUST for good and giving away all my stuff! Send me 10K AUR and I'll double it on the spot!
Done!! Just send me your playstation account password and i'll handle the transactions. You can trust me thoroughly because I am very honest religious person, trust in me and regret never. |
Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
360
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:48:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:I'm DONE with DUST for good and giving away all my stuff! Send me 10K AUR and I'll double it on the spot! Done!! Just send me your playstation account password and i'll handle the transactions. You can trust me thoroughly because I am very honest religious person, trust in me and regret never.
Ok this in no way sounds like a scam at all...and you're religious - you must be trustworthy!
I'll email you the deets in a sec. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
503
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:24:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aurum will and should be never transferrable for various reasons.
Setting some facts straight here. CCP is not against the thought of AUR transfers between players.
Quote from evelopedia: "Initially, you will not be able to transfer Aurum to other players. This is part of our initial security procedures rather than part of our design for this system. Once well established, you will be able to transfer Aurum to other players." source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Aurum
Tokens are used for p2p transfers. They are on the Eve market right now and traded every hour. http://eve-marketdata.com/price_check.php?type_name_header=1000+AURUM+token
How to create AUR tokens: "When you purchase an AUR package, a number of Aurum Tokens amounting to the value in AUR of the package you purchased will be placed in your in-game redeeming system. These will appear when you next log in to the game and can be redeemed to your character's in-game location.
note: 1 EVE AUR = 10 Dust AUR because the denomination change of end of last year did not happen in Eve. Aurum Tokens are in-game items and as such can be moved and traded like any other in-game item. Your character can add the value of each token to your in-game wallet by right-clicking each Aurum Token and selecting "Redeem for AUR". After this step is taken the AUR is non-transferable."
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Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:33:00 -
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^ Wow. Thanks for doing my legwork for me. IWS? Your move. ^_^ |
Viktor Skirov
Heag Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:55:00 -
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Possibly, in the future we'll be able to buy a booster for ISK and clothes for our mercs too (Merc customization will be implemented SOONtm. And Think, 80.000.000 ISK for each basic booster) and sell the clothes or whatever you bought for ISK to another player (like in EVE, how our friend already explained with a link) (You could buy 2 booster and it will possibly be a.ISK loss, but at least you can make some Aurum) and, maybe for each booster converted to AURUM, you could receive 400 AUR. |
Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
34
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:57:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:In eve? also no. However items bought with AUR can be sold for isk.
In EVE you can sell/trade/contract GÇÿAurum TokensGÇ¥ like any other in-game item. After buying them with RL money. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2117
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Posted - 2013.06.28 21:25:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Havent seen it anywhere yet. Can I haz please? Trading isk for aur would be cool/no pay to win arguments. No AURUM transfer ever, as far as we know.
Not for EVE or Dust. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
608
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Posted - 2013.06.28 21:40:00 -
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Isn't it true that there is the potential for EVE pilots to indirectly pay their subscription via earned Isk?
If so, then there is already an established ratio of Isk:real-ú$Gé¼, and the introduction of Aurum trading could seriously screw up both economies as a result.
Of course, there might be the potential for this dilemma anyway. In which case, I will officially declare my intention to buy your boosters with isk, toxins, officer gear, whatever. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1739
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Posted - 2013.06.28 22:11:00 -
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Nin Ker wrote:If you can buy aurumn for isk, where would Dust get the real money from?
Don't think it will or should ever happen.
From the people buying the AUR. Once the AUR is purchased by a player for real money, why would CCP care which player actually spends it? |
Odiain Suliis
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
159
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Posted - 2013.06.28 22:39:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Isn't it true that there is the potential for EVE pilots to indirectly pay their subscription via earned Isk?
If so, then there is already an established ratio of Isk:real-ú$Gé¼, and the introduction of Aurum trading could seriously screw up both economies as a result.
Of course, there might be the potential for this dilemma anyway. In which case, I will officially declare my intention to buy your boosters with isk, toxins, officer gear, whatever.
Yes there is. And one dilemma is real or percieved value difference betwene AUR converted from PLEX that is bought to EVE 19.95Gé¼ per 1 PLEX and AUR bought from PSN store. You get far more AUR(DUST) with same ammount of Gé¼ than in EVE.
If direct AUR transfers are allowed betwene EVE and DUST that would drive users to buy from PSN store OR re-pricing of AUR goods in DUST.
Even if AUR transfers dont happen betwene DUST and EVE, but ISK is then what ever way nets more ISK/Gé¼ is used until market balances it self out. But who knows what prices(ISK) would be the equiliblium state. 1 PLEX = 3500 AUR(EVE)*1 and 1 PLEX is currently about 530-540mil ISK
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Odiain Suliis
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
159
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Posted - 2013.06.28 22:44:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Nin Ker wrote:If you can buy aurumn for isk, where would Dust get the real money from?
Don't think it will or should ever happen. From the people buying the AUR. Once the AUR is purchased by a player for real money, why would CCP care which player actually spends it?
Dont know, but food of thought...
At what point does scams and stealing AUR become illegal? It's same as PSN store credits and any other store credit.
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Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.28 22:46:00 -
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Odiain Suliis wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Nin Ker wrote:If you can buy aurumn for isk, where would Dust get the real money from?
Don't think it will or should ever happen. From the people buying the AUR. Once the AUR is purchased by a player for real money, why would CCP care which player actually spends it? Dont know, but food of thought... At what point does scams and stealing AUR become illegal? It's same as PSN store credits and any other store credit.
Well this escalated quickly. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1743
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Posted - 2013.06.28 22:47:00 -
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Odiain Suliis wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Nin Ker wrote:If you can buy aurumn for isk, where would Dust get the real money from?
Don't think it will or should ever happen. From the people buying the AUR. Once the AUR is purchased by a player for real money, why would CCP care which player actually spends it? Dont know, but food of thought... At what point does scams and stealing AUR become illegal? It's same as PSN store credits and any other store credit.
It doesn't. You're buying in game items (in this instance, AUR). Once you've purchased the AUR, it's up to you how you experience it's usage. If that experience involves trading it to someone else and getting "scammed," well, that's emergent gameplay as far as I'm concerned (and this is generally how CCP views it as well). As long as you're not losing that AUR to game bugs, glitches, and exploits, it's all part of the "game." |
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Odiain Suliis
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
159
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Posted - 2013.06.28 22:50:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Nin Ker wrote:If you can buy aurumn for isk, where would Dust get the real money from?
Don't think it will or should ever happen. From the people buying the AUR. Once the AUR is purchased by a player for real money, why would CCP care which player actually spends it? Dont know, but food of thought... At what point does scams and stealing AUR become illegal? It's same as PSN store credits and any other store credit. It doesn't. You're buying in game items (in this instance, AUR). Once you've purchased the AUR, it's up to you how you experience it's usage. If that experience involves trading it to someone else and getting "scammed," well, that's emergent gameplay as far as I'm concerned (and this is generally how CCP views it as well). As long as you're not losing that AUR to game bugs, glitches, and exploits, it's all part of the "game."
AUR itself isnt ingame ITEM.
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And if you mean Aurum Tokens, then user must have first converted those. |
Odiain Suliis
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
159
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Posted - 2013.06.28 23:03:00 -
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Also interesting thought springed from the "taxation" comment..
I dont know law and taxation things that well, but at what point there kicks in wealth taxation or taxation for tranfes of goods from preson to another?
I mean suppose you buy 1000Gé¼ worth of AUR from PSN store and then transfer that to other player. Does that constitute as transfer of wealth/assets in terms of taxation?
If it isn't, then what's to stop two reasonably well living persons use that as 'money' for services rendered IRL? How would one monitor and regulate that?
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Altho saving grace and differenciator here is that you can't 'withdraw' that AUR from the game back to your bank account. |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.28 23:36:00 -
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Odiain Suliis wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Nin Ker wrote:If you can buy aurumn for isk, where would Dust get the real money from?
Don't think it will or should ever happen. From the people buying the AUR. Once the AUR is purchased by a player for real money, why would CCP care which player actually spends it? Dont know, but food of thought... At what point does scams and stealing AUR become illegal? It's same as PSN store credits and any other store credit. It doesn't. You're buying in game items (in this instance, AUR). Once you've purchased the AUR, it's up to you how you experience it's usage. If that experience involves trading it to someone else and getting "scammed," well, that's emergent gameplay as far as I'm concerned (and this is generally how CCP views it as well). As long as you're not losing that AUR to game bugs, glitches, and exploits, it's all part of the "game." AUR itself isnt ingame ITEM. edit: And if you mean Aurum Tokens, then user must have first converted those.
Can you clarify that? Why do you suppose that? Or better yet can you find anything CCP has said that supports your interpretation? |
Odiain Suliis
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
159
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Posted - 2013.06.28 23:47:00 -
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That is my interpretation and by that I mean that AUT the one showing in your waller balance isn't transferrable.
By item i ment item in-game that gan me traded/ looted/ destroyed. AUR tokens are ITEM in this sence, but once you convert it into AUR it is not. |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.28 23:54:00 -
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Odiain Suliis wrote:That is my interpretation and by that I mean that AUR the one showing in your waller balance isn't transferrable.
By item i ment item in-game that can be traded/ looted/ destroyed. AUR tokens are ITEM in this sence, but once you convert it into AUR it is not.
So...wut you're saying is that it's your opinion, and no more valid without proof than the invisible spaghetti monster that ate the coal i was supposed to receive last christmas? Just wondering. |
Odiain Suliis
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
159
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Posted - 2013.06.29 00:23:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:That is my interpretation and by that I mean that AUR the one showing in your waller balance isn't transferrable.
By item i ment item in-game that can be traded/ looted/ destroyed. AUR tokens are ITEM in this sence, but once you convert it into AUR it is not. So...wut you're saying is that it's your opinion, and no more valid without proof than the invisible spaghetti monster that ate the coal i was supposed to receive last christmas? Just wondering.
Emm... we seem to be amiss here.
AUR be it in DUST or EVE isn't item(in-game item) such as Militia Shotgun or Vexor. This I think we agree on? yes?
My interpretation was that if we agee on that above statement then AUR isn't item(in-game item), not until it's converted to some other form. |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.29 00:55:00 -
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Odiain Suliis wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:That is my interpretation and by that I mean that AUR the one showing in your waller balance isn't transferrable.
By item i ment item in-game that can be traded/ looted/ destroyed. AUR tokens are ITEM in this sence, but once you convert it into AUR it is not. So...wut you're saying is that it's your opinion, and no more valid without proof than the invisible spaghetti monster that ate the coal i was supposed to receive last christmas? Just wondering. Emm... we seem to be amiss here. AUR be it in DUST or EVE isn't item(in-game item) such as Militia Shotgun or Vexor. This I think we agree on? yes? My interpretation was that if we agee on that above statement then AUR isn't item(in-game item), not until it's converted to some other form.
Is there a difference between Aur and a militia shotgun in terms of recognition as in game items...no. I'm asking you to defend that assertion with proof.
I do recognize a difference between the in game currency (Aur) and a militia shotgun one time use asset. Maybe if Aur was used for out of game items like t-shirts I'd agree but I'm hesitant. |
Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
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Posted - 2013.06.29 02:17:00 -
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Just like you can't stick raw ISK into your cargo bay and haul it around and have it come spilling out when you get ganked, niether can you put raw AUR into a cargo hold. It is therefore, not an item.
AUR Tokens are worth 1000 AUR. AUR Tokens are items, and can be shipped about and dropped upon your death. Once remdeemed, AUR Tokens turn into 1000 AUR that is perfectly safe in your wallet until you spend it on something, just like ISK. However, once redeemed, AUR Tokens (and PLEX) cannot be turned back into an ingame item. They are forever now a liquid currency until you spend them on something. |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.29 02:26:00 -
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Arx Ardashir wrote:Just like you can't stick raw ISK into your cargo bay and haul it around and have it come spilling out when you get ganked, niether can you put raw AUR into a cargo hold. It is therefore, not an item.
AUR Tokens are worth 1000 AUR. AUR Tokens are items, and can be shipped about and dropped upon your death. Once remdeemed, AUR Tokens turn into 1000 AUR that is perfectly safe in your wallet until you spend it on something, just like ISK. However, once redeemed, AUR Tokens (and PLEX) cannot be turned back into an ingame item. They are forever now a liquid currency until you spend them on something.
I'm not arguing semantics about your limited view of what constitutes an "item" that resides within a game at the expense of derailing the thread. The point of the thread was, can I please/should I be able to trade aur to other players. Why can't I decide to purchase an elite pack and trade half the aur to my alt char for boosters? If not, why not? You seem to be ok with the equivalent of a token in eve. seems like aur once used to me. This just allows that same transfer of aur, but without the extra burden of a token.
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
2047
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Posted - 2013.06.29 02:28:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:That is my interpretation and by that I mean that AUR the one showing in your waller balance isn't transferrable.
By item i ment item in-game that can be traded/ looted/ destroyed. AUR tokens are ITEM in this sence, but once you convert it into AUR it is not. So...wut you're saying is that it's your opinion, and no more valid without proof than the invisible spaghetti monster that ate the coal i was supposed to receive last christmas? Just wondering. Emm... we seem to be amiss here. AUR be it in DUST or EVE isn't item(in-game item) such as Militia Shotgun or Vexor. This I think we agree on? yes? My interpretation was that if we agee on that above statement then AUR isn't item(in-game item), not until it's converted to some other form. Is there a difference between Aur and a militia shotgun in terms of recognition as in game items...no. I'm asking you to defend that assertion with proof. I do recognize a difference between the in game currency (Aur) and a militia shotgun one time use asset. Maybe if Aur was used for out of game items like t-shirts I'd agree but I'm hesitant. "When you purchase an AUR package"
When you buy an AUR pack, you get tokens. You can convert or sell the tokens, but you cannot sell AUR it'self, I don't see what it is your not understanding here? |
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
2047
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Posted - 2013.06.29 02:31:00 -
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Quote: The point of the thread was, can I please/should I be able to trade aur to other players. Why can't I decide to purchase an elite pack and trade half the aur to my alt char for boosters? If not, why not? You seem to be ok with the equivalent of a token in eve. seems like aur once used to me. This just allows that same transfer of aur, but without the extra burden of a token.
Oh, I see, not sure why actually. |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
347
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Posted - 2013.06.29 02:33:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:That is my interpretation and by that I mean that AUR the one showing in your waller balance isn't transferrable.
By item i ment item in-game that can be traded/ looted/ destroyed. AUR tokens are ITEM in this sence, but once you convert it into AUR it is not. So...wut you're saying is that it's your opinion, and no more valid without proof than the invisible spaghetti monster that ate the coal i was supposed to receive last christmas? Just wondering. Emm... we seem to be amiss here. AUR be it in DUST or EVE isn't item(in-game item) such as Militia Shotgun or Vexor. This I think we agree on? yes? My interpretation was that if we agee on that above statement then AUR isn't item(in-game item), not until it's converted to some other form. Is there a difference between Aur and a militia shotgun in terms of recognition as in game items...no. I'm asking you to defend that assertion with proof. I do recognize a difference between the in game currency (Aur) and a militia shotgun one time use asset. Maybe if Aur was used for out of game items like t-shirts I'd agree but I'm hesitant. "When you purchase an AUR package" When you buy an AUR pack, you get tokens. You can convert or sell the tokens, but you cannot sell AUR it'self, I don't see what it is your not understanding here?
Errmagerdd dumb internet people that would rather tangent to prove a meaningless point or troll than to meaningfully contribute how that point bolsters the argument that Aurum should be nontransferable. Definition of ITEM
1 obsolete : warning, hint 2 : a distinct part in an enumeration, account, or series : article 3 : an object of attention, concern, or interest 4 : a separate piece of news or information 5 : a couple in a romantic or sexual relationship See item defined for English-language learners -+ See item defined for kids -+ Examples of ITEM
There are several items for sale. I need to buy a few household items like soap. He always orders the most expensive item on the menu. There are a lot of items on our agenda tonight, so let's start the meeting. I saw an item in today's paper about the mayor's campaign plans.
Aurum can be defined as an item that exists with in a game. So can a militia shotgun. I see both as legally transferable unless there's a legal or ccp reason why they can't be. Can you provide any evidence of either? No?
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GM Hercules
Game Masters C C P Alliance
485
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Posted - 2013.06.30 16:13:00 -
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So far we have:
Quote:Other * Characters can now transfer ISK directly between each other and to any corporation * Directors can now transfer ISK from the corporation mercenary wallet to any player or corporation
Nothing about AUR transfer.
This thread is now locked.
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