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Rogatien Merc wrote:

Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:

Freefits and STD fits are where it's at. It's good to see the player base learning that shelling out 200k(or more!) a pub match is just not worth it.

Personally, I run tons of free fits which aren't the stock ones(I went milita BPO happy). I think I do this more often than I use anything else. Particularly when people are throwing PRO fits around. A grenade to the face tends to end anyone, even if it's a milita grenade. So it may take me a few deaths to kill the guy, he will die, and the result is the same - 0 cost to me, 150k+ to him.

Or I just make LAVcakes with some Proto batter.

Good to see you're bringing the pub match suit level down, man. Good on ya.

EDIT: KDR doesn't matter!

And the growing number on the "ISK" line means... what?

But yeh. I mix it up and basically just try to stay generally ISK positive. Results in me running proto most of the time but you'll randomly see me in BPO advanced suit for a few matches a day.

Don't really care... but tangential thought... at some point 'new players' are no longer 'new players' even if they refuse to upgrade their gear and should STFU about proto pub stomping lol. Not directed exactly at above quote, just in general.

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Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 397	Posted - 2013.06.28 09:45:00 - [1] - Quote Recently ive found it over-costly to use my proto type suit. loosing 200k a match is not a good thing after all! Sooooo in light of this I made an effort to develop similar fittings at a much lower cost. The results were..... interesting. I managed to lower the cost of my suit down from 230k to 30k and its fitted with mostly standard gear (minus its advanced assault SR). So I decided to field test the suit a little bit, to see if "stood up to the challenge" You see..... this suit is made up of gear that I would imagine a two to three week old character could possibly have. That being said I figured it would be interesting to see how things would play out in "their shoes". After all, I read all this crying in the forums and go..... "is it really that bad" Well...... lol Match 1 I did pretty good! 16 - 4 for a suit as cheap as that isn't terra-bad, maybe with a bit of practice I could get used to it! Match 2, I went against a full squad of proto caldari logistics the ENTIRE match. It was horrible...... My only solace was that each of their deaths was worth AT-LEAST five of mine (and that's being conservative). So because of that, I fought on! Pulling every cheap trick I could use! And eventually, with a little grenades here and there I managed to kill a couple. I actually beat one of them in a 1v1 without any cheap tricks which was a huge ego boost, but by the end of the game we still lost, and I went something like 11-6. But still! That's cost efficient in my book! It was good practice too! but it was also incredibly frustrating. For one, my advanced level SR with pro 4 and a complex damage mod BARELY dented ANY of their shields...... It was almost embarrassing! Secondly, I had about..... 300 health. Their duvolles were ripping me apart. It was pathetic on a lot of levels and so..... yeah. BALANCING/MATCHMAKING FTW!!!!! Match 3, I went against the same team and I decided to pull out my proto gear just to teach the scrubs a thing or two. Eventually I got set up in a defensive position, but that wasn't until after the game spawned me in the middle of their squad three times..... Lol, I lost a lot of money, but the most rewarding feeling I got out of that match was when a proto calogi pulled out a grenade and I backed up instinctively! upon backing up I also pulled a grenade out and tossed it at the corner I had just rounded putting it in place just in time to kill him! Lol we still lost, and I went 7-6. nothing like dem 1 v 6 fights! So yeah..... in short, my suit would work GREAT against people in similar level gear to me. HOWEVER the only reason it could hold its ground even a little bit against a proto suit is because im a half decent player. Therefore, the stress that was caused while playing this suit probably wont make it worth using very often. However I might consider it if there seems to be less pub stomps roaming around...... I wonder if any of you read that?
Smoky Fingers Red Star. EoN. 53	Posted - 2013.06.28 09:51:00 - [2] - Quote good read.
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 Kinsho Swords Caldari State 231	Posted - 2013.06.28 09:56:00 - [3] - Quote I play with militia items... they are actually fun (although your KD ratio may suffer)
Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 99	Posted - 2013.06.28 10:00:00 - [4] - Quote Freefits and STD fits are where it's at. It's good to see the player base learning that shelling out 200k(or more!) a pub match is just not worth it. Personally, I run tons of free fits which aren't the stock ones(I went milita BPO happy). I think I do this more often than I use anything else. Particularly when people are throwing PRO fits around. A grenade to the face tends to end anyone, even if it's a milita grenade. So it may take me a few deaths to kill the guy, he will die, and the result is the same - 0 cost to me, 150k+ to him. Or I just make LAVcakes with some Proto batter. Good to see you're bringing the pub match suit level down, man. Good on ya. EDIT: KDR doesn't matter!
Mechoj Nomreps Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 21	Posted - 2013.06.28 10:11:00 - [5] - Quote I actually use my dragonfly scout with a shotgun and remotes a lot. Remotes get proto's easily and a standard shotgun takes two or three shots most of the times. The suit is just below 10 K and a lot of the times I even get a positive KD. For me this is actually great fun and I like the stress of bunny jumping around proto's :)
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 489	Posted - 2013.06.28 10:30:00 - [6] - Quote I only have proto armor reps, damage mods and scrambler rifle. Everything else is standard or under, if I roll in a full squad that works together I do well. I play a logi and my kdr is 0.80. 30k fit is pretty good and I have fun with it. Also I am a total scrub when it comes to my gun game and I am in the top 10 most rounds. The games isn't that hard. Anyone who has played a fps should be able to do well against similarly equipped mercs. Proto are hardcore but I play to my strengths and let them get over confident. I went 12-2 the other day with an ELM because proto mercs think they are indestructible and the added range keeps them from being effective. They get mad and push harder to closed the gap, this is where my heavy friend pops out and hoses them down. Most proto pubs stompers are cocky and burning down a couple of their suits always makes me grin. Especially if it is with a LR.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1021	Posted - 2013.06.28 10:41:00 - [7] - Quote Marston VC wrote: and its fitted with mostly standard gear (minus its advanced assault SR) ... one, my advanced level SR with pro 4 and a complex damage mod BARELY ... ... ..... I wonder if any of you read that? Putting aside the fact that passive skills will make a difference as well, a complex damage mod is better than "standard". It'd take a new character 600k + SP to have that short of spending Aurum. It also makes me wonder if you left out mention of other proto modules in your suit since you only mentioned a single advanced tier one in your original description.
Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 164	Posted - 2013.06.28 10:44:00 - [8] - Quote Kekklian Noobatronic wrote: Freefits and STD fits are where it's at. It's good to see the player base learning that shelling out 200k(or more!) a pub match is just not worth it. Personally, I run tons of free fits which aren't the stock ones(I went milita BPO happy). I think I do this more often than I use anything else. Particularly when people are throwing PRO fits around. A grenade to the face tends to end anyone, even if it's a milita grenade. So it may take me a few deaths to kill the guy, he will die, and the result is the same - 0 cost to me, 150k+ to him. Or I just make LAVcakes with some Proto batter. Good to see you're bringing the pub match suit level down, man. Good on ya. EDIT: KDR doesn't matter! And the growing number on the "ISK" line means... what? But yeh. I mix it up and basically just try to stay generally ISK positive. Results in me running proto most of the time but you'll randomly see me in BPO advanced suit for a few matches a day. Don't really care... but tangential thought... at some point 'new players' are no longer 'new players' even if they refuse to upgrade their gear and should STFU about proto pub stomping lol. Not directed exactly at above quote, just in general.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 238	Posted - 2013.06.28 10:46:00 - [9] - Quote Out of curiosity do you have a lot of SP invested in shield, armour (+5%), PG, CPU as well? You have already mentioned that you have high prof in your chosen weapon which also costs quite a lot of SP. If you do then these passives would definetly help with defence, damage, and fittings especially if you are fitting an AdV weapon onto a STD suit will filling up the other module slots. I am not one to run the numbers on a fitting so it may be easily possible to set up the suit you used with very low PG and CPU. But to get engineering and electronics up to lvl 3 costs over 300k SP a piece which is not far off 2 weeks of capping, without boosters, just on its own. However, I do agree with the theme of your post that new players need a better entry into the open battle environment after leaving the Academy.
XeroTheBigBoss TeamPlayers EoN. 577	Posted - 2013.06.28 10:46:00 - [10] - Quote I use Advanced. Mostly.

IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 82	Posted - 2013.06.28 10:47:00 - [11] - Quote Dont forget that in skilling to fit a proto suit, one accrues skill bonuses that make a standard suit play more like an advanced. I never agree with the militia is all you need statement I hear tossed around, but bonuses make a difference.
Aran Abbas Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 119	Posted - 2013.06.28 11:09:00 - [12] - Quote I play with free fits and don't care about suicide rushing protos because if I kill even one, or whittle him down enough so that someone else can finish him off, it's a victory.
Onesimus Tarsus Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 538	Posted - 2013.06.28 11:36:00 - [13] - Quote Since I have no real in-game skill, I run cheap suits exclusively. I rarely break out anything over 10k. I think that if ADV or lower gets a proto kill, 3x points across the board, and if proto kills ADV or lower, 1/3 points. It would turn every match into a proto hunt, and fewer people would so casually don the deep black to get "easy kills".
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 455	Posted - 2013.06.28 13:08:00 - [14] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: Kekklian Noobatronic wrote: Freefits and STD fits are where it's at. It's good to see the player base learning that shelling out 200k(or more!) a pub match is just not worth it. Personally, I run tons of free fits which aren't the stock ones(I went milita BPO happy). I think I do this more often than I use anything else. Particularly when people are throwing PRO fits around. A grenade to the face tends to end anyone, even if it's a milita grenade. So it may take me a few deaths to kill the guy, he will die, and the result is the same - 0 cost to me, 150k+ to him. Or I just make LAVcakes with some Proto batter. Good to see you're bringing the pub match suit level down, man. Good on ya. EDIT: KDR doesn't matter! And the growing number on the "ISK" line means... what? But yeh. I mix it up and basically just try to stay generally ISK positive. Results in me running proto most of the time but you'll randomly see me in BPO advanced suit for a few matches a day. Don't really care... but tangential thought... at some point 'new players' are no longer 'new players' even if they refuse to upgrade their gear and should STFU about proto pub stomping lol. Not directed exactly at above quote, just in general. No doubt. I've talked to guys with 100s of millions in isk that refuse to run proto. I ask them what they are saving up for. I ask them if they know how their fit works for their playstyle if they never use it. I don't run my proto much in pubs anymore unless it's a group of guys on the opposing team that warrant it, but this weird unwritten code of hating the better gear is strange.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 404	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:00:00 - [15] - Quote I don't like wearing proto gear simply because of the stress it adds up to. With proto gear, I KNOW exactly how much im losing every time I die, and I KNOW that each hit hurts my wallet considerably. I mean, I have plenty of money, its just that the game isn't fun when I have to stress out about each death, and that is why im trying to figure out another cost efficient suit to run!
dday3six Intrepidus XI Omega Commission 35	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:09:00 - [16] - Quote Personally I think Dust would be a lot more fun if there were other ways to generate revenue then just PVP.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 2091	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:13:00 - [17] - Quote Passive skills... They might be able to get your gear in a 2-3 weeks, but not the passive skills to go along with it.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 275	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:18:00 - [18] - Quote I wish all those pro gods tried to showcase their skills in all militia gear. This would flush out who is who pretty fast.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5479	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:23:00 - [19] - Quote The day you can match your proto-suit kdr in a basic fit is the day many will rue the day they laughed at you for using 'weaker' gear.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 45	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:24:00 - [20] - Quote Mechoj Nomreps wrote: I actually use my dragonfly scout with a shotgun and remotes a lot. Remotes get proto's easily and a standard shotgun takes two or three shots most of the times. The suit is just below 10 K and a lot of the times I even get a positive KD. For me this is actually great fun and I like the stress of bunny jumping around proto's :) Ah REs, the great balancer. Love killing protos with these, takes some planning but is always a OHK. I especially love when they chase you thinking you are an easy kill then....BOOM! But too many of the maps are far too open for the REs or shotguns to do great if you are using lower levels.

Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 43	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:26:00 - [21] - Quote I myself try to push basic dropsuits to the max while balancing out cost. I've got a basic Caldari Assault with roughly 350 shields and a 15k pricetag, and am able to get top 6 on my team ~8/10 times. With that fit, I can even kill the occasional proto fit, and I can die 10+ times before I lose money. Overall, it is extremely gratifying. Much moreso than using my ADV suits that are nearly triple the cost. My next mission is to push militia dropsuits to their breaking point. I've managed a militia amarr fit that went 18:3 in a match where my team was redlined, with multiple proto kills. But... in that fit, I am much more inconsistent.
hooc roht Deep Space Republic 142	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:28:00 - [22] - Quote Down grading gear is nothing compared to only using a couple of million SP. SP is king and gives the most bonuses. Don't pretend to be slumming it when you have all core skills of your class maxed out at 5.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 2091	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:39:00 - [23] - Quote hooc roht wrote: Down grading gear is nothing compared to only using a couple of million SP. SP is king and gives the most bonuses. Don't pretend to be slumming it when you have all core skills of your class maxed out at 5. The SP system will never go away, why do you still care? If you don't like it, don't play
Azri Sarum BurgezzE.T.F 36	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:45:00 - [24] - Quote hooc roht wrote: Down grading gear is nothing compared to only using a couple of million SP. SP is king and gives the most bonuses. Don't pretend to be slumming it when you have all core skills of your class maxed out at 5. I almost wish the skill tree was designed in such a way that in order to branch out, you need certain amounts of skill points in core skills first. Encourage people to get their core solid and then begin to branch out. It helps sooo much. This is what I have been doing. I'm just passing 4M sp, most of my core skills are 3-4. I can't run an advance suit, but my basic suit is approaching its maximum capability. My fit of choice is a basic caldari, ar, rdx. It lets me push into the top handful most games. The experience against proto is the same as the OP's though. You wear them down, grenade spam them, sucker them into a remote explosive trap. Thats about all you can do while you keep solid cover between you and them. Otherwise you may as well be wearing tissue paper.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 535	Posted - 2013.06.30 08:36:00 - [25] - Quote This game is so unpredictable and inconsistent. Sometimes I can run std/adv and it feels like I am running proto. Other times I can run proto with 700+ HP and get killed as quickly as if I was in militia. A lot of the times by low end gear too... which makes me suspicious that CCP has some secret multipliers with weapons/gear that do a lot more damage than they should against proto gear under certain circumstances. Overall though, I find if I just keep running proto match after match, I stay about even in my ISK. One match I may lose 800k, but 4 matches after that I gain 1 million.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 298	Posted - 2013.06.30 14:30:00 - [26] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: Mechoj Nomreps wrote: I actually use my dragonfly scout with a shotgun and remotes a lot. Remotes get proto's easily and a standard shotgun takes two or three shots most of the times. The suit is just below 10 K and a lot of the times I even get a positive KD. For me this is actually great fun and I like the stress of bunny jumping around proto's :) Ah REs, the great balancer. Love killing protos with these, takes some planning but is always a OHK. I especially love when they chase you thinking you are an easy kill then....BOOM! But too many of the maps are far too open for the REs or shotguns to do great if you are using lower levels. I need to do this more often, have the ability just need to use it
Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 175	Posted - 2013.06.30 16:54:00 - [27] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: I wish all those pro gods tried to showcase their skills in all militia gear. This would flush out who is who pretty fast. Gear-tiered battlegrounds would be fun, but logically if all of you are bitching about going against protos in militia, why should I drop down to militia and then I have to go up against all the other protos in militia? I love going up against people in equal suit levels (see: PC matches), but why willingly subject myself to getting smacked around like you guys say I will be? If you want people to drop their gear tier, you should really be saying how much fun, exciting, unique, and colorful those handsome mliitia dropsuits are on the battlefield. Compliment the militia suit's vintage 'worn in' look and make note that it is basically the key to freedom and an honor to wear it and... maybe, just maybe you'll get a few more buyers.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 406	Posted - 2013.06.30 20:20:00 - [28] - Quote hooc roht wrote: Down grading gear is nothing compared to only using a couple of million SP. SP is king and gives the most bonuses. Don't pretend to be slumming it when you have all core skills of your class maxed out at 5. Ummmm this thread is about cost efficiency. My SP has nothing to do with the cost of suits. Yes a few of them increases my base health, and makes them easier to fit, but that's the exact reason why I..... you know..... specced into those skills. Im still "slumming" it simply because no matter how good my suit is, its hard/impossible to kill a decent proto suit guy. Which is why I made the thread.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 406	Posted - 2013.06.30 20:22:00 - [29] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: I wish all those pro gods tried to showcase their skills in all militia gear. This would flush out who is who pretty fast. Gear-tiered battlegrounds would be fun, but logically if all of you are bitching about going against protos in militia, why should I drop down to militia and then I have to go up against all the other protos in militia? I love going up against people in equal suit levels (see: PC matches), but why willingly subject myself to getting smacked around like you guys say I will be? If you want people to drop their gear tier, you should really be saying how much fun, exciting, unique, and colorful those handsome mliitia dropsuits are on the battlefield. Compliment the militia suit's vintage 'worn in' look and make note that it is basically the key to freedom and an honor to wear it and... maybe, just maybe you'll get a few more buyers. That's not the point of this thread at all. This thread was meant to highlight my experiances in a standard suit, playing in a world that at this point is majority advanced suits and higher. Some of it was great! Some of it wasn't! Im not complaining either way, its just funny how difficult it is to compete with people in gear like that. But whatevs you can stay in your proto suit all you want, it wont bother me none.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 406	Posted - 2013.06.30 20:24:00 - [30] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: This game is so unpredictable and inconsistent. Sometimes I can run std/adv and it feels like I am running proto. Other times I can run proto with 700+ HP and get killed as quickly as if I was in militia. A lot of the times by low end gear too... which makes me suspicious that CCP has some secret multipliers with weapons/gear that do a lot more damage than they should against proto gear under certain circumstances. Overall though, I find if I just keep running proto match after match, I stay about even in my ISK. One match I may lose 800k, but 4 matches after that I gain 1 million. To prevent getting beamed by militia AR's and other such nonsense, you need to ALWAYS be moving. Like..... Even when you want to stand still you should be side strafing. This at the very least should reduce the immediate damage dealt in a surprise attack.

Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 406	Posted - 2013.06.30 20:26:00 - [31] - Quote Azri Sarum wrote: hooc roht wrote: Down grading gear is nothing compared to only using a couple of million SP. SP is king and gives the most bonuses. Don't pretend to be slumming it when you have all core skills of your class maxed out at 5. I almost wish the skill tree was designed in such a way that in order to branch out, you need certain amounts of skill points in core skills first. Encourage people to get their core solid and then begin to branch out. It helps sooo much. This is what I have been doing. I'm just passing 4M sp, most of my core skills are 3-4. I can't run an advance suit, but my basic suit is approaching its maximum capability. My fit of choice is a basic caldari, ar, rdx. It lets me push into the top handful most games. The experience against proto is the same as the OP's though. You wear them down, grenade spam them, sucker them into a remote explosive trap. Thats about all you can do while you keep solid cover between you and them. Otherwise you may as well be wearing tissue paper. Nahhhh that takes away the whole "your choice" aspect. They got rid of a lot secondary skill requirements this build because CCP wants to fight the very thing your proposing. Last build people were forced to get lvl 5 weaponry/sharpshooter because without it you couldn't compete on the same level. This build those skills are gone. (there were other skills too that were a requirement, but only those two come to mind right now).


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