DUST Search - The 'Standard' experiance

Azri Sarum wrote:

hooc roht wrote:

Down grading gear is nothing compared to only using a couple of million SP.

SP is king and gives the most bonuses.

Don't pretend to be slumming it when you have all core skills of your class maxed out at 5.

I almost wish the skill tree was designed in such a way that in order to branch out, you need certain amounts of skill points in core skills first. Encourage people to get their core solid and then begin to branch out. It helps sooo much.

This is what I have been doing. I'm just passing 4M sp, most of my core skills are 3-4. I can't run an advance suit, but my basic suit is approaching its maximum capability. My fit of choice is a basic caldari, ar, rdx. It lets me push into the top handful most games.

The experience against proto is the same as the OP's though. You wear them down, grenade spam them, sucker them into a remote explosive trap. Thats about all you can do while you keep solid cover between you and them. Otherwise you may as well be wearing tissue paper.


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Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 397	Posted - 2013.06.28 09:45:00 - [1] - Quote Recently ive found it over-costly to use my proto type suit. loosing 200k a match is not a good thing after all! Sooooo in light of this I made an effort to develop similar fittings at a much lower cost. The results were..... interesting. I managed to lower the cost of my suit down from 230k to 30k and its fitted with mostly standard gear (minus its advanced assault SR). So I decided to field test the suit a little bit, to see if "stood up to the challenge" You see..... this suit is made up of gear that I would imagine a two to three week old character could possibly have. That being said I figured it would be interesting to see how things would play out in "their shoes". After all, I read all this crying in the forums and go..... "is it really that bad" Well...... lol Match 1 I did pretty good! 16 - 4 for a suit as cheap as that isn't terra-bad, maybe with a bit of practice I could get used to it! Match 2, I went against a full squad of proto caldari logistics the ENTIRE match. It was horrible...... My only solace was that each of their deaths was worth AT-LEAST five of mine (and that's being conservative). So because of that, I fought on! Pulling every cheap trick I could use! And eventually, with a little grenades here and there I managed to kill a couple. I actually beat one of them in a 1v1 without any cheap tricks which was a huge ego boost, but by the end of the game we still lost, and I went something like 11-6. But still! That's cost efficient in my book! It was good practice too! but it was also incredibly frustrating. For one, my advanced level SR with pro 4 and a complex damage mod BARELY dented ANY of their shields...... It was almost embarrassing! Secondly, I had about..... 300 health. Their duvolles were ripping me apart. It was pathetic on a lot of levels and so..... yeah. BALANCING/MATCHMAKING FTW!!!!! Match 3, I went against the same team and I decided to pull out my proto gear just to teach the scrubs a thing or two. Eventually I got set up in a defensive position, but that wasn't until after the game spawned me in the middle of their squad three times..... Lol, I lost a lot of money, but the most rewarding feeling I got out of that match was when a proto calogi pulled out a grenade and I backed up instinctively! upon backing up I also pulled a grenade out and tossed it at the corner I had just rounded putting it in place just in time to kill him! Lol we still lost, and I went 7-6. nothing like dem 1 v 6 fights! So yeah..... in short, my suit would work GREAT against people in similar level gear to me. HOWEVER the only reason it could hold its ground even a little bit against a proto suit is because im a half decent player. Therefore, the stress that was caused while playing this suit probably wont make it worth using very often. However I might consider it if there seems to be less pub stomps roaming around...... I wonder if any of you read that?
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 404	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:00:00 - [2] - Quote I don't like wearing proto gear simply because of the stress it adds up to. With proto gear, I KNOW exactly how much im losing every time I die, and I KNOW that each hit hurts my wallet considerably. I mean, I have plenty of money, its just that the game isn't fun when I have to stress out about each death, and that is why im trying to figure out another cost efficient suit to run!
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 406	Posted - 2013.06.30 20:20:00 - [3] - Quote hooc roht wrote: Down grading gear is nothing compared to only using a couple of million SP. SP is king and gives the most bonuses. Don't pretend to be slumming it when you have all core skills of your class maxed out at 5. Ummmm this thread is about cost efficiency. My SP has nothing to do with the cost of suits. Yes a few of them increases my base health, and makes them easier to fit, but that's the exact reason why I..... you know..... specced into those skills. Im still "slumming" it simply because no matter how good my suit is, its hard/impossible to kill a decent proto suit guy. Which is why I made the thread.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 406	Posted - 2013.06.30 20:22:00 - [4] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: I wish all those pro gods tried to showcase their skills in all militia gear. This would flush out who is who pretty fast. Gear-tiered battlegrounds would be fun, but logically if all of you are bitching about going against protos in militia, why should I drop down to militia and then I have to go up against all the other protos in militia? I love going up against people in equal suit levels (see: PC matches), but why willingly subject myself to getting smacked around like you guys say I will be? If you want people to drop their gear tier, you should really be saying how much fun, exciting, unique, and colorful those handsome mliitia dropsuits are on the battlefield. Compliment the militia suit's vintage 'worn in' look and make note that it is basically the key to freedom and an honor to wear it and... maybe, just maybe you'll get a few more buyers. That's not the point of this thread at all. This thread was meant to highlight my experiances in a standard suit, playing in a world that at this point is majority advanced suits and higher. Some of it was great! Some of it wasn't! Im not complaining either way, its just funny how difficult it is to compete with people in gear like that. But whatevs you can stay in your proto suit all you want, it wont bother me none.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 406	Posted - 2013.06.30 20:24:00 - [5] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: This game is so unpredictable and inconsistent. Sometimes I can run std/adv and it feels like I am running proto. Other times I can run proto with 700+ HP and get killed as quickly as if I was in militia. A lot of the times by low end gear too... which makes me suspicious that CCP has some secret multipliers with weapons/gear that do a lot more damage than they should against proto gear under certain circumstances. Overall though, I find if I just keep running proto match after match, I stay about even in my ISK. One match I may lose 800k, but 4 matches after that I gain 1 million. To prevent getting beamed by militia AR's and other such nonsense, you need to ALWAYS be moving. Like..... Even when you want to stand still you should be side strafing. This at the very least should reduce the immediate damage dealt in a surprise attack.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 406	Posted - 2013.06.30 20:26:00 - [6] - Quote Azri Sarum wrote: hooc roht wrote: Down grading gear is nothing compared to only using a couple of million SP. SP is king and gives the most bonuses. Don't pretend to be slumming it when you have all core skills of your class maxed out at 5. I almost wish the skill tree was designed in such a way that in order to branch out, you need certain amounts of skill points in core skills first. Encourage people to get their core solid and then begin to branch out. It helps sooo much. This is what I have been doing. I'm just passing 4M sp, most of my core skills are 3-4. I can't run an advance suit, but my basic suit is approaching its maximum capability. My fit of choice is a basic caldari, ar, rdx. It lets me push into the top handful most games. The experience against proto is the same as the OP's though. You wear them down, grenade spam them, sucker them into a remote explosive trap. Thats about all you can do while you keep solid cover between you and them. Otherwise you may as well be wearing tissue paper. Nahhhh that takes away the whole "your choice" aspect. They got rid of a lot secondary skill requirements this build because CCP wants to fight the very thing your proposing. Last build people were forced to get lvl 5 weaponry/sharpshooter because without it you couldn't compete on the same level. This build those skills are gone. (there were other skills too that were a requirement, but only those two come to mind right now).