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Atom Heart Mother
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.28 08:51:00 -
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...take a 1.2 mill isk dropship, have any dude campering with an Ishukone FG....Its just one shot man, NO GOOD. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1726
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:21:00 -
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I still think dropships should get a resistance to forge guns, but take increased knockback from them. This way, they are less likely to OHK, but it also requires the pilot to have a high level of control of their craft to not get knocked off off course and crash. The resistance being on the dropship would also mean forge gun vs. HAV balance wouldn't be affected.
30% resistance 150% knockback |
Judge Rhadamanthus
Kapow Heavy Industries
180
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:25:00 -
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By Dude you mean 3 pixel tall black dot that could be a scout, heavy or pile of bricks; that if he is anywhere in the dead zone under your ship you cannot see at all due to the ship model blocking 1/3 of the screen. This tiny Dot can see and hear you coming from half the map away and can shoot at you before you even know he is there.
He was able to get into a good camping spot on top of a tall building because you had to wait a minute or more for your Python to arrive because You have to get to a safe spot to call it in. By the time you get there 5 free LAVs have been called in and you have to wait for them to be delivered then for one to blow up before you bring in your ship. |
Judge Rhadamanthus
Kapow Heavy Industries
180
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:28:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:I still think dropships should get a resistance to forge guns, but take increased knockback from them. This way, they are less likely to OHK, but it also requires the pilot to have a high level of control of their craft to not get knocked off off course and crash. The resistance being on the dropship would also mean forge gun vs. HAV balance wouldn't be affected.
30% resistance 150% knockback
Make that 70% resistance. Lore wise just say the shield warps the hit around the hull and being off the ground allows us to do this.
As for knock back. No. Why? because its already pretty bad. We get knocked so much that liging up another shot takes quite some time. The current knock back is enough to make shooting back almost impossible in the time a froge can shoot again. Increasing KB will make it impossible to do anything but flee. |
CuuCH Crusher
Commando Perkone Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:30:00 -
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I use forge guns and I rarely every get a 1 shot on a drop ship. The only time that happens is when it is a militia DS or I am using one of the breach forge guns. That said, I think CCP should give you DS pilots more maneuverability and a better controller layout. The new controller layout should be like the helicopter one from BF3. I think those two things will solve most of the issues. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:39:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Baal Roo wrote:I still think dropships should get a resistance to forge guns, but take increased knockback from them. This way, they are less likely to OHK, but it also requires the pilot to have a high level of control of their craft to not get knocked off off course and crash. The resistance being on the dropship would also mean forge gun vs. HAV balance wouldn't be affected.
30% resistance 150% knockback Make that 70% resistance. Lore wise just say the shield warps the hit around the hull and being off the ground allows us to do this. As for knock back. No. Why? because its already pretty bad. We get knocked so much that lining up another shot takes quite some time. The current knock back is enough to make shooting back almost impossible in the time a froge can shoot again. Increasing KB will make it impossible to do anything but flee.
Don't be such a wuss. Given, I've had to put in 8.5 MIL SP to get there, but it is possible to survive a shot or two. And if you're paying attention and know how to fly, the forge guns current knockback isn't that bad.
The balance is broken, but not 70% broken, that's just over the top. We aren't supposed to be invincible, we just need to feel like if we fly well and pay attention, we have a fair chance of surviving an encounter with a forge gun. |
Kekklian Noobatronic
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
99
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:42:00 -
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First off, it's only a 1 shot if you're stupid enough to fit virtually no tank.
Second, if you're flying a highly maneuverable craft in a predictable flight pattern and you get hit, it's your fault.
Third, the craft you're flying has to be light enough to get off the ground by use of VTOL jets alone - it's not going to be a brick.
And fourth, part of the reason people like me hunt down Dropships is because of how INSANELY ANNOYING THE SOUND IS! Especially when you have surround sound!! If you want people to hate you less, petition CCP to re-work the audio for dropship.
EDIT: Oh, and I forgot to mention. It's *really* hard to hit a dropship from long distance using a DS3 on a gun that has NO ZOOM and a fairly healthy lead time. All you're seeing is the projectile hitting you. You don't see that pulling that shot off requires a healthy amount of both patience and practice. |
Judge Rhadamanthus
Kapow Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:44:00 -
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Remember the thread title is about Pythons. Not Logis, or Gallente. The issue is also about effectiveness. You have to tank hard to survive a forge. This limits potential fittings too much. If you do anything but tank you die. We should be able to perform our role with several fittings not just a tank heavy one.
I have more than 8.5 mill in dropships and fly a lot and I know about knockback, remember this is phytons the OP is talking about. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
2044
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:46:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:By Dude you mean 3 pixel tall black dot that could be a scout, heavy or pile of bricks The correct answer is heavy, since piles of bricks can't carry forge guns |
Judge Rhadamanthus
Kapow Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:48:00 -
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Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:First off, it's only a 1 shot if you're stupid enough to fit virtually no tank.
Second, if you're flying a highly maneuverable craft in a predictable flight pattern and you get hit, it's your fault.
Third, the craft you're flying has to be light enough to get off the ground by use of VTOL jets alone - it's not going to be a brick. .
I started to reply then realized your points are not only not right, they aren't even wrong |
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KripnawtiQ Prime
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
249
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:49:00 -
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Not saying dropships couldnt use a buff cause they probably could but keep in mind that dropships arent flying tanks. Theyre personnel carriers-bacically flying minivans. If we had larger maps they could serve the role they were meant for, which is battlefield transport. With the current map sizes there really isnt an [intended] reason to even use them. |
Atom Heart Mother
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.28 13:53:00 -
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Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:First off, it's only a 1 shot if you're stupid enough to fit virtually no tank.
Second, if you're flying a highly maneuverable craft in a predictable flight pattern and you get hit, it's your fault.
Third, the craft you're flying has to be light enough to get off the ground by use of VTOL jets alone - it's not not going to be a brick.
And fourth, part of the reason people like me hunt down Dropships is because of how INSANELY ANNOYING THE SOUND IS! Especially when you have surround sound!! If you want people to hate you less, petition CCP to re-work the audio for dropship.
EDIT: Oh, and I forgot to mention. It's *really* hard to hit a dropship from long distance using a DS3 on a gun that has NO ZOOM and a fairly healthy lead time. All you're seeing is the projectile hitting you. You don't see that pulling that shot off requires a healthy amount of both patience and practice.
EDIT EDIT: I <3 Double Negatives
Man, do you really think I dont fit my Python with resistance and armor plates modules? what I'm saying is that proto forge guns are overpowered to dropships, and something needs to be done by devs to make them more resistant to FG, I'm not complaining about swarms or other weapons, just ***** OP Forges and the dude that is using it, I hate him as well . so I get momentary rage, cannot resist on sending insulting mails...lol |
oso tiburon
The Generals EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.28 13:55:00 -
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Atom Heart Mother wrote:...take a 1.2 mill isk dropship, have any dude campering with an Ishukone FG....Its just one shot man, NO GOOD. drop ships + my assult forge = -1 drop ship omnom omnom nom hence why i have over 200 myrodons in the hanger sitting naked |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.06.28 14:27:00 -
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I like the idea of having huge knockback when a ship is hit with a forge gun, it only makes sense after all. It should happen with all vehicles. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4165
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Posted - 2013.06.28 14:31:00 -
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I'm starting to get the feeling that all dropship pilots in this game read these forums and know that if they call in their dropship, I WILL crash my Gorgon into it....
I haven't seen an enemy dropship in almost a month, except for the occasional elevator taxi.
:/ |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
603
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Posted - 2013.06.28 14:47:00 -
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Drop ships are broke...?
Who would hae thought it |
Martin0 Brancaleone
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
358
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Posted - 2013.06.28 14:53:00 -
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CCP hates dropships, end of the story.
It's a year of Dust beta that we ask to get WP for moving people and mCRU spawn.
What have CCP done?
- Nerfed dropship pg and cpu
- Nerfed dropship HP
- Nerfed the Afterburner (so we can't avoid swarms)
- Then they buffed Lavs and havs hp because they were being oneshotted, dopships got nothing.
- CCP will introduce an AA Hav.
Dropships still have no way to earn sp doind what they are supposed to do, require a massive amount of sp, and have less hp than a lav even of dropships are medium aerial veichles. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4166
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Posted - 2013.06.28 14:55:00 -
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Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:Dropships still have no way to earn sp doind what they are supposed to do, require a massive amount of sp, and have less hp than a lav even of dropships are medium aerial veichles. Thankfully we'll finally be able to act as proper dropship pilots once they finally release that Bomber Dropship we've all been clamoring for. |
Martin0 Brancaleone
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
358
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Posted - 2013.06.28 14:56:00 -
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Oh yeah, the "bomber" dropships, because getting a real bomber model and fix dropships WP gain is too ******* hard for CCP |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
709
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Posted - 2013.06.28 15:01:00 -
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This is why vehicles need better customization.
If you wanna tank vs forge guns, you should be able to do so at the expense of tanking swarms. Or vice versa.
I'm not a fan of the concept of being able to tank absolutely everything by just giving them more HP buffer, but I would like to see some very real choices a pilot can make when fitting out his dropship that allow him to somewhat passively deal with certain threat types. |
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FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2013.06.28 15:43:00 -
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lolPython with 1000 HP
-XOXO |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
156
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Posted - 2013.06.28 15:50:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:This is why vehicles need better customization.
If you wanna tank vs forge guns, you should be able to do so at the expense of tanking swarms. Or vice versa.
I'm not a fan of the concept of being able to tank absolutely everything by just giving them more HP buffer, but I would like to see some very real choices a pilot can make when fitting out his dropship that allow him to somewhat passively deal with certain threat types. I might be wrong. But I have always thought that Forge guns are effective against shields and Swarms are effective against armor x_x). But Forge Guns is effective against both armor and shield :(. Swarm Launchers seems completely fine because when I get hit by one, it never bring my shields down but forge gun go through my shield and armor x_x. |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
124
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:05:00 -
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Props to Nguthoros X (I hope I spelled it right) for the best dropships skills I have seen since uprising.
This merc kept a dropships alive a whole domination match (Gallente ADS I believe) while there was at least 5 AV on the field. (Three of us were using adv swarms)
Not sure if caldari is really inferior in the dropship department or if you all need to get ahold of a good pilot. Is there a pilot channel up? I know us MD guys have had a blast since putting up a channel. |
Severance Pay
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
492
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:15:00 -
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Atom Heart Mother wrote:...take a 1.2 mill isk dropship, have any dude campering with an Ishukone FG....Its just one shot man, NO GOOD. Lol better than the latter, and just think if ot wasn't for you he'd be toting an hmg instead. Ya dun good kid, by just having a dropship. One less hmg on the ground. |
CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
234
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:20:00 -
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the answer is not nerf forge guns. the answer is buff dropship speed because honestly, all the tank in the world wont save a flying target from a rail or forge. |
oso tiburon
The Generals EoN.
39
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:40:00 -
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or introduce like ive been screaming for .. retro thrusters , a way to change course dramiticaly if you can change course or stop at the right time it would give us a better chance |
Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
180
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:50:00 -
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Atom Heart Mother wrote:...take a 1.2 mill isk dropship, have any dude campering with an Ishukone FG....Its just one shot man, NO GOOD.
I`ve been thinking a lot of the FGs and the only FG I have beef with is the Assault, it fires way to fast for the amount of damage it does, and I use a max HP load-out on my Python so I`m looking forward to PRO hp modules and ADV-PRO veicles but even then, I`ve put 8.5 mill into DSes wich is more then any fixed on this trooper role guy can say yet I get little to nothing more in chances to win by specializing, seriously a lot of pilots are gradually loosing ISK. |
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