So, basically remove fittings?
lol no

Even better lets just give every one one suit one gun no skills no vehicles and call it COD514 wow I can soooooo see it.

**rawble**.

Someone missed the point of these modules.

They're SUPPOSED to give you an advantage. This game is meant to be "gear+skill+player skill VS gear+skill+player skill" not just "player skill VS player skill"
If you want that, play an arcade shooter like halo. Not saying there's anything wrong with that; halo has been the party game of choice since the first one was released.

After being a Dust player since the beta began, I'm very familiar with the advantage modules give. I agree and it was either an innovative idea from CCP or a lack of understanding of FPS games that they introduced damage and hp enhancements. I enjoyed the idea at first as well since it was sort of new to me but I've seen that it's not a good mechanic to keeping new players.

Again, it's no surprise the majority of forum goers would be highly negative to removing the advantage of greater damage and hp.

After being a Dust player since the beta began, I'm very familiar with the advantage modules give. I agree and it was either an innovative idea from CCP or a lack of understanding of FPS games that they introduced damage and hp enhancements. I enjoyed the idea at first as well since it was sort of new to me but I've seen that it's not a good mechanic to keeping new players.

Again, it's no surprise the majority of forum goers would be highly negative to removing the advantage of greater damage and hp.

Dust is strange, it is an FPS, but not as we know it. It requires a player who wants to better what currently whoops his ass, by removing what people work towards won't help dust.
A better way of bringing new players in, is what is needed. Also Corps need academies, if we are serious and want dust to succeed, we can actually help, by using team comms rather than squad and staff, a few times I have sent mails to new snipers explaining what went wrong for them.
Nerfing the end game is the answer to the start of the game.

Profit vs loss is a very good balancing factor for the use of these modules IMO.

A low-skill player with good gear will lose ISK if they run against a high-skill player with the same gear, or a very high-skill player with worse gear. Then they'll be forced to use worse stuff until they're good enough to profit with costly gear.

Skill is still a very important part of this game, and a good player willing to put the time in will easily beat the bad player who got a head start.

I'm not asking CCP to remove all modules, only those that give damage and hp enhancements. Players can still create suits that offer advantages such as enhanced hacking or precision scanning, etc... that goes with profit vs loss. That aspect of the game would not be removed. The only aspect that would be changed is that no player will have an extreme advantage to killing other than natural skill.

Remove damage, shield/armor enhancers from modules and skill points.

This will balance the game for new and experienced players by allowing everyone the same potential for kills.

This will make Dust a game that is based on individual player skill and not from equipment and SP bonuses.

The damage and HP enhancers are great but when new players are put at a huge disadvantage when competing,

they will not likely remain. This is your balance. Experienced players and teams will still have the experience to kill while

new players will not be nearly as overwhelmed by players with overly high HP and damage enhancement.

Logi suits will no longer be more powerful than assault.

Heavy suits will always be the highest HP suit.

Scouts will become more useful, even with fewer module slots and low HP.

The number of modules on any suit could even be increased while not giving an unfair advantage of OP damage or HP.

Your suggestion would ruin the game. Dust isn't a FPS, it's a FPSMMORPG. If you take away the MMORPG, then you're left with a very sub-par shooter. The players that are going to be here 10 years from now (and the ones that will be funding the game via boosters) are the ones that like the RPG aspects, the players you want to cater to will be playing Halo 8 or whatever the latest one is a decade from now. It's incredibly short-sighted.

The problem is poor matchmaking, the academy should last a little longer, there should be an engaging PvE tutorial to grab the new player's attention and get them up to speed, and Proto gear is WAY too cheap and should be too expensive to be used regularly in pub matches.

Why is everyone obsessed with the idea that the characters have to be on equal footing? The entire point of skilling up a character is to make it better - if you remove that then there is long term reward for players that play a long time. If new players want to have the same character skill (as opposed to actual player skill) then they should be required to invest time as well.

Your idea sucks.

why is it that people that dont have or choose not to use the type of equipment that gives them an edge of the other players are the one that want all the good stuff taken out of the game...

Oh wait because they suck... GET A LIFE ROOKIE

This is exactly right, while I've been playing Dust since the beta began, many other players, new players haven't. Give those new players a chance to compete and they might stay. Bully them to the ground and they will likely leave which is not good for Dust's player base.


CCP, you see from the posts, players have actually become dependent on the damage and hp enhancements. I don't blame CCP however, as I don't know that anyone saw this coming. These two enhancements may have actually become the most important skills. You said sharpshooter was OP and what of damage and hp enhancement. These two could be more OP than sharpshooter.

Sharpshooter broke the game because people were using shotguns from across the map. It destroyed the tactical balance of the weapons. Removing the ability to customize your suit to be tank/gank or choosing to forgo both to get other benefits like speed and stealth are the core of the game's design and balance and the entire point of having customizable suits.

It works this way in EVE, and it's doing just fine and outlasted nearly every other MMO out there. It's not for everyone, and that's ok. It sounds like you might really want to check out a game called Halo--it's right up your alley.

This is exactly right, while I've been playing Dust since the beta began, many other players, new players haven't. Give those new players a chance to compete and they might stay. Bully them to the ground and they will likely leave which is not good for Dust's player base.


CCP, you see from the posts, players have actually become dependent on the damage and hp enhancements. I don't blame CCP however, as I don't know that anyone saw this coming. These two enhancements may have actually become the most important skills. You said sharpshooter was OP and what of damage and hp enhancement. These two could be more OP than sharpshooter.

Dust is a FPS not an EVE game.

I never played Halo but I hear it's extremely popular. Dust can't say the same thing. CCP should have taken lessons form game developers such as Halo's, COD's, BF, and hell, even MAG. Dust shouldn't be a cookie cutter game but there has to be some balance between players with massive SP and those with very little. Removing hp and damage enhancements offers a lot of balance.

We also have suits for tank and gank. The heavy and assault fill those roles. The heavy should be the only tank, the assault is your quick assault suit, the scout is your fast silent suit, and the logi is your support. All these suits can gank well enough without damage enhancements. The heavy can tank perfectly fine without hp enhancement.

Chinduko not only are you oversimplifying you're also still failing to provide actual non-subjective data.
Stating what people do or don't like doesn't equate to your suggestion being good balance, or an improvement over the present iteration of the game.

It's like talking about "KDR". KDR as a state is terrible. It doesn't account for clone revives, it doesn't account for assists, it doesn't account for ISK lost, it doesn't account for ISK destroyed it doesn't account for the weight of vehicle kills, it doesn't account for repairs given. It also fails to represent true squad coordination or the tactical value of actions like suppression, hacking, uplinks, et al.

Speed mods effect survival and slaying. So do sensor mods. So do hacking mods for that matter as they save you time and acquire on field assets for use both giving more damage, and HP while also moving matches closer to victory.
You can say 'it's all about killing' till you're blue in the face but that it too vague to mean anything within context. Details are required to make statements meaningful and independently reproducible data is required to make details substantive.

CCP is updating dropships to provide a self sustaining place for their role as transports. Now yes getting your guys to the right spot faster does increase their chances of getting kills and in theory lowers the overall chance of losing friendly clones but that doesn't mean that the transport pilot is focused on kills either for enjoyment or for successful execution of their role. This is true throughout the game, there are slayers sure and they'll be the vanguard but they're not the only roles and they shouldn't be. Also CCP is wise enough not to hard lock people into roles so those who enjoy a mix can have that mix open to them.

You've still yet to demonstrate (not state, demonstrate with data) how your proposed changes would improve the game.
You've provided neither data nor theory as to why those specific mods have a more drastic impact on game balance or even combat than other mods and skills in game.
You've provided no support for the idea that removal is superior to alteration of current stats or addition of new mods.
You've not directly answered any of the challenges in my first post.

What you have done is continue with strawman and hyperbole. Let me reiterate something before you once again trot out comments about "fear" and "giving up advantages". I run ~90% free fits. The other 10% for the record I use during PC matches supporting my corps allies so not only is it up against pure proto but it's not used against new players in pubs, in both cases this means no disparity is present. So now that I've explained how your "fear" and "advantage" posts are meaningless in my case can we please move on to you providing actual data and direct responses to my posts?