DUST Search - Remove Damage and Shield/Armor Enhancers

Chinduko wrote:

Cross Atu wrote:

Chinduko wrote:

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We as gamers want the advantage of more damage and HP and this is why I expected a huge backlash. It's not something players want to easily give up.
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Reaction is not equal to response. You've been posting responses with my words quoted while not actually replying to the content.

I've already pointed out how your claims of defending an "advantage" don't apply to my context and yet you fail to address this.
You continue to use diversionary and hyperbolic phrasing and concepts the latest of which is now implying that by repeating calling upon you to address my actual points I am somehow seeking "special attention of some kind. That could only be true if you were refusing to address the substance of all posts which disagree with you.... I'll let the record show which one Roll

As long as you persist in avoiding all the quite valid critiques of your idea which have been put forth and trying to hide that evasiveness behind inflammatory or emotionally charged rhetoric I will continue to repeat that you've failed to address my points and that your fundamental idea is fatally flawed.

But do feel free to prove me wrong by providing actual data, that is of course assuming there is any such data to be provided at all.

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Cross

Do you believe that it is not our nature to want to be better or improve ourselves, including in games? I don't know many that don't like winning or being better. Having higher damage and hp improves our killing and decreases our dying. Being able to kill while not dying increases our winning. And, this puts a huge disadvantage to new players with low SP who won't likely stay, which we see from the low player count. I don't know any simpler way of explaining this. I truly don't.

Unimportantly noting but since you brought it up, a reaction and response are the same thing. You can even use them in the same sentence and keep the exact same meaning. He reacted with disdain. He responded with disdain. They are the same . Many posts have disagreed with me as was expected but their concerns are as valid as yours, however they don't seem to have the same overly high sense of self worth you give yourself. One person said my idea sucks. I see this as valid as any other. Other people say they feel they earned the SP to put into damage and hp to beat new players. Read some of the posts and you'll find that some players here do state that they enjoy the advantage of higher SP such as earning the SP to beat new players.

Let's say I'm wrong and killing and dying isn't as important as I suggest. Then, in that case, it shouldn't be a big issue to remove the damage and hp enhancements, if getting kills and not dying are as unimportant you suggest.

The concerns of players is that they don't want to lose their advantage and the fear they would lose their ability to individualize their soldier. I say they would lose the advantage in pub stomping but all players would have a better chance for more even competition. Skill and team coordination will still overcome. Players will also not lose their ability to individualize soldiers since there are a great many more skills that SP can be applied to.


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T4K3RoftheSOUL Pros On The Trigger 12	Posted - 2013.06.26 19:43:00 - [1] - Quote why is it that people that dont have or choose not to use the type of equipment that gives them an edge of the other players are the one that want all the good stuff taken out of the game... Oh wait because they suck... GET A LIFE ROOKIE
T4K3RoftheSOUL Pros On The Trigger 12	Posted - 2013.06.26 20:25:00 - [2] - Quote Chinduko wrote: T4K3RoftheSOUL wrote: why is it that people that dont have or choose not to use the type of equipment that gives them an edge of the other players are the one that want all the good stuff taken out of the game... Oh wait because they suck... GET A LIFE ROOKIE This is exactly right, while I've been playing Dust since the beta began, many other players, new players haven't. Give those new players a chance to compete and they might stay. Bully them to the ground and they will likely leave which is not good for Dust's player base. CCP, you see from the posts, players have actually become dependent on the damage and hp enhancements. I don't blame CCP however, as I don't know that anyone saw this coming. These two enhancements may have actually become the most important skills. You said sharpshooter was OP and what of damage and hp enhancement. These two could be more OP than sharpshooter. I have been playing the game for approx. one week. Do I have the top gear, dropsuits, modules? no, I dont. But do I complain? NO I man up and get my boots dusty
T4K3RoftheSOUL Pros On The Trigger 14	Posted - 2013.06.26 21:22:00 - [3] - Quote You may want to go jump on Call of Duty, Halo, or Battlefield. and watch as the more seasoned players all have better guns, perks, attachments, and other little things that make them better at the game than a "NEW" player. Then come back to this forum and promote a more legitimate argument!
T4K3RoftheSOUL Pros On The Trigger 14	Posted - 2013.06.26 21:36:00 - [4] - Quote OK CCP what it looks like its coming down to... You need to create another game that has only some aspects of DUST 514 and make it more like all the noob tubing games of the FPS genre. I even have a name for you to use. Call it "CALLED TO THE DUSTY FIELD OF THE RING IN THE SKY". From the way it sounds you will have quite a few pre-orders on announcement day alone.
T4K3RoftheSOUL Pros On The Trigger 14	Posted - 2013.06.26 23:39:00 - [5] - Quote Chinduko wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Chinduko wrote: [sic] We as gamers want the advantage of more damage and HP and this is why I expected a huge backlash. It's not something players want to easily give up. [sic] Reaction is not equal to response. You've been posting responses with my words quoted while not actually replying to the content. I've already pointed out how your claims of defending an "advantage" don't apply to my context and yet you fail to address this. You continue to use diversionary and hyperbolic phrasing and concepts the latest of which is now implying that by repeating calling upon you to address my actual points I am somehow seeking "special attention of some kind. That could only be true if you were refusing to address the substance of all posts which disagree with you.... I'll let the record show which one As long as you persist in avoiding all the quite valid critiques of your idea which have been put forth and trying to hide that evasiveness behind inflammatory or emotionally charged rhetoric I will continue to repeat that you've failed to address my points and that your fundamental idea is fatally flawed. But do feel free to prove me wrong by providing actual data, that is of course assuming there is any such data to be provided at all. 0.02 ISK Cross Do you believe that it is not our nature to want to be better or improve ourselves, including in games? I don't know many that don't like winning or being better. Having higher damage and hp improves our killing and decreases our dying. Being able to kill while not dying increases our winning. And, this puts a huge disadvantage to new players with low SP who won't likely stay, which we see from the low player count. I don't know any simpler way of explaining this. I truly don't. Unimportantly noting but since you brought it up, a reaction and response are the same thing. You can even use them in the same sentence and keep the exact same meaning. He reacted with disdain. He responded with disdain. They are the same . Many posts have disagreed with me as was expected but their concerns are as valid as yours, however they don't seem to have the same overly high sense of self worth you give yourself. One person said my idea sucks. I see this as valid as any other. Other people say they feel they earned the SP to put into damage and hp to beat new players. Read some of the posts and you'll find that some players here do state that they enjoy the advantage of higher SP such as earning the SP to beat new players. Let's say I'm wrong and killing and dying isn't as important as I suggest. Then, in that case, it shouldn't be a big issue to remove the damage and hp enhancements, if getting kills and not dying are as unimportant you suggest. The concerns of players is that they don't want to lose their advantage and the fear they would lose their ability to individualize their soldier. I say they would lose the advantage in pub stomping but all players would have a better chance for more even competition. Skill and team coordination will still overcome. Players will also not lose their ability to individualize soldiers since there are a great many more skills that SP can be applied to. I am getting the idea that you are usually on the receiving end of the pub stomping? If new players are interested in the game than they will stick around, if not then they will leave. Sorry that you decided to stick around and complain about not having the best of the best... which is received by building YOUR character, leave everybody else's character alone and worry about YOU
T4K3RoftheSOUL Pros On The Trigger 14	Posted - 2013.06.27 00:22:00 - [6] - Quote Matchmaking will be fixed in the next 3 weeks
T4K3RoftheSOUL Pros On The Trigger 14	Posted - 2013.06.27 00:45:00 - [7] - Quote Chinduko wrote: T4K3RoftheSOUL wrote: Matchmaking will be fixed in the next 3 weeks I would love to see how CCP fixes it. I truly hope it works. I think after the "fix" comes in alot of this talk of pubstomping will come to a halt. But there is always going to be somebody out there with better equipment and more experience. It is just part of gaming life, and something that a true gamer learns to work around and eventually come out on top!