Uh... You don't buy SP. You can buy boosters, but they only work over time. Buying SP would make Dust pay-to-win, and CCP does not want that. It banks not on you paying to level up faster, but leveling up to save time (in training) and money(ISK, not real money). Aurum is more of a convenience currency, not a winning currency.

Uh... You don't buy SP. You can buy boosters, but they only work over time. Buying SP would make Dust pay-to-win, and CCP does not want that. It banks not on you paying to level up faster, but leveling up to save time (in training) and money(ISK, not real money). Aurum is more of a convenience currency, not a winning currency.

brother I realize that, when I said let me buy sp I meant that as a suggestion. But youre right, it would be pay to win but it is the only way I can see anyone else sticking around in this games current state. Nevermind what is fundamentally wrong with this current build.

Again, this can be solved with proper matchmaking.

The game is designed (intentionally) to take at least 7 years to max out the skills and this is not including the ones they have planned to add in like cloaking, fighters, commandos, pilots, MCC control, district management, etc. It's not meant for you to become jack of all trades inside a few months like you see in other games. But it does give you a chance to specialize into one niche career of your choice in the same time frame in the mean time.

But be careful with your choices because every choice you make now will not be undone anymore and CCP has already confirmed that there will be no more respecs after they are done processing the ones that were petitioned for before the 31st of May.

YOU NEED A PLAYERBASE FOR MATCHMAKING TO WORK!!. SERIOUSLY JUST GO BACK TO EVE AND PLAY THE MARKET, YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THIS ISSUE IS UTTERLY FLAWED YOU CANT HAVE MATCHMAKING WORK IF YOU DONT HAVE A PLAYERBASE. YOU WANT A BASE FOR THIS GAME MAKE GETTING SP EASIER AND NOT AS BIG A CHORE UP TO A LIMIT.

THANK YOU BTW FOR VOTING FOR OPTION 2 BACK IN FEB AND KILLING THIS GAME TODAY. IT IS ENTIRELY YOUR FAULT YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD ABOUT IT.

Regardless of fact that such a suggestion will help with player retention, it will go against CCP's previous statement of no pay-to-win items in the game and thus become a PR headache for CCP. They would rather have a niche community than to violate certain principles.

Proper matchmaking is the only solution that makes sense. Possibly various tiers each with a certain SP range, I dunno. There would have to be a cut off though, say about 5 mil is all one tier.

EDIT:Which one was option 2?

YOUR CAPS LOCK IS BROKEN AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD FOR IT. BY THE WAY, BACON.

LOL

Dude seriously?

You want to fight the same people over and over again.....

Let make CCP actually fix FW so we can queue together.

This should pull most of the high SP/geared players out of hisec.

I spent my entire saturday going tthrough my game library playing fps games. Some I had bought but never really played before, even then while i was at a disadvantage of no knowledge and/or experience, it didnt take me long to be able to go double positive every game. I noticed that while many of these games require some unlocks to level the playing field a bit, those unlocks didnt require a whole month of time to get a semi ddecent set up. I realize that dust is a f2p that banks on your wanting to pay to level up faster but even its current offerings arent enough to make me want to put money in this game. A new barebones game type or extended wp requirement to grad from academy should be implemented or at the very least let me buy sp 1mil at a time at a reasonable price. This game has potential but for your average run of the mill joe with little to no fps background it isnt going to be very fun. This is only excluding the poorly made fundamentals as well.


my phone hates this forum.

Frankly no its not broken ive chosen to yell at you. You who sits around playing the market in eve and then comes into this game offering up **** opinions on things you simply don't understand. You run an organization designed to train new players in dust when frankly dust isnt that complicated and then when removing the option of a cap comes along you cry about it because of what? Cause it will ruin the game and people will power grind everything? Wrong its because it would make your organization worthless.

There is no need for a D-Uni when FPS corps can train their own. Only reason most dont is you cant train people till they have the requisite SP. Moreover as time goes on newer players will be behind more people. Notice how i didnt say further behind. This isnt like other MMO's a level 99 character in Dust isnt stronger then a lvl 20 character just more versatile.

The wider not taller point of the curve is met at approximately 15M SP. Yet you fight it because you want an assinine grind out of some pathetic attachement to a virtual avatar. SP =/= Content. IF your argument is that it force players to make tough decisions on character progression, its utterly dumb and unneeded. People will either learn to play the game, seek help, or continue to do bad, but thats on them.

Game needs a base and no amount of matchmaking will solve the issue if you don't have players to retain. PVE, Market. Neither of these add to the PVP pool and furthermore PVE pools arent likely to fair better if the pool is diluded there as well.This is the case of all instanced mathcmaking, even when the player count is high if its divided up among numerous playlists it stil suffers.

This maybe be a single sharded universe but its not a open world universe and as such a pool of 3-4k ACROSS THE GLOBE will not be sufficient. No matter how much you pray to the space fairies that it is.

Removing the cap entirely will just make the skill gap worse. We need a universal cap set at the weekly cap * weeks of game availability, so that new players can play as much as they like without getting left behind. However, even then, new players would have to play for months before they'd be capable of going toe to toe with the +15M SP players, so yes, matchmaking is needed and will do a lot to make it easier for the newbies.

LOL

Dude seriously?

You want to fight the same people over and over again.....

Let make CCP actually fix FW so we can queue together.

This should pull most of the high SP/geared players out of hisec.

YOU NEED A PLAYERBASE FOR MATCHMAKING TO WORK!!. SERIOUSLY JUST GO BACK TO EVE AND PLAY THE MARKET, YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THIS ISSUE IS UTTERLY FLAWED YOU CANT HAVE MATCHMAKING WORK IF YOU DONT HAVE A PLAYERBASE. YOU WANT A BASE FOR THIS GAME MAKE GETTING SP EASIER AND NOT AS BIG A CHORE UP TO A LIMIT.

THANK YOU BTW FOR VOTING FOR OPTION 2 BACK IN FEB AND KILLING THIS GAME TODAY. IT IS ENTIRELY YOUR FAULT YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD ABOUT IT.

Removing the cap entirely will just make the skill gap worse. We need a universal cap set at the weekly cap * weeks of game availability, so that new players can play as much as they like without getting left behind. However, even then, new players would have to play for months before they'd be capable of going toe to toe with the +15M SP players, so yes, matchmaking is needed and will do a lot to make it easier for the newbies.

Since boosters modify your SP cap per week, these have been, are, and continue to be pay to be less bored. The SP gap was increased not only to fill in for a lack of skills, but as a way to make boosters all that more appealing; the longer you lock a new player into a garbage build / fit, the more enticing AUR becomes.

Paying players enjoy the luxury of being able to screw up their builds a little, maxing out their builds long before others, and having the opportunity to begin choosing a second specialty without ruining their first, at a much quicker pace. Some argue that there is a plateau in any given build and you can only go sideways from there, but that's purposefully ignoring the value of versatility on the battlefield.

Anyways, boosters are lol, but this is CCPs cash cow, and they show 0 signs of slowing down the AUR project anytime soon.

I spent my entire saturday going tthrough my game library playing fps games. Some I had bought but never really played before, even then while i was at a disadvantage of no knowledge and/or experience, it didnt take me long to be able to go double positive every game. I noticed that while many of these games require some unlocks to level the playing field a bit, those unlocks didnt require a whole month of time to get a semi ddecent set up. I realize that dust is a f2p that banks on your wanting to pay to level up faster but even its current offerings arent enough to make me want to put money in this game. A new barebones game type or extended wp requirement to grad from academy should be implemented or at the very least let me buy sp 1mil at a time at a reasonable price. This game has potential but for your average run of the mill joe with little to no fps background it isnt going to be very fun. This is only excluding the poorly made fundamentals as well.


my phone hates this forum.

Since boosters modify your SP cap per week, these have been, are, and continue to be pay to be less bored. The SP gap was increased not only to fill in for a lack of skills, but as a way to make boosters all that more appealing; the longer you lock a new player into a garbage build / fit, the more enticing AUR becomes.

Paying players enjoy the luxury of being able to screw up their builds a little, maxing out their builds long before others, and having the opportunity to begin choosing a second specialty without ruining their first, at a much quicker pace. Some argue that there is a plateau in any given build and you can only go sideways from there, but that's purposefully ignoring the value of versatility on the battlefield.

Anyways, boosters are lol, but this is CCPs cash cow, and they show 0 signs of slowing down the AUR project anytime soon.

If you want a game that panders to newer player then you don't have to play this one...... Lol, personally I like the fact that newblets have zero chance against me. It means I was rewarded for playing such a long time. I would hate this game if it had all the same flaws AND it was that much easier for newbies to kill me. Right now my only solace is that I can occasionally crush a newb and humiliate them by side strafing and not shooting back, only to watch them spend three clips to no avail......

LOL you couldn't catch up to 12 month veterans In one random Saturday? How dare CCP do that to you..... maybe we should just introduce 1 million SP merc packs, that wouldn't be pay to win or anything god...... This game has work to be done in it, and eventually it will become more newb friendly, (just like eve online did) but that all comes with time.

No FPS rewards veterans to the extent DUST does. To be honest, there's a reason for it. When we're playing on maps, forced to interact with other players over and over, there should be a balance between new and old players. MMORPGs don't need this because PvP is optional. This is not the case in an FPS, and therefore there is always going to be trouble if we continue by this SP model.

Which is why we should consider another way to go about retaining that sense of progression, whilst making sure new players don't leave the academy feeling as if they were just thrown from the kiddy pool into the deep end headfirst, AND ensuring the sandbox of New Eden doesn't turn into a game whose playerbase is divided based on levels, or SP.

The only solution that I can see is to limit the ability to use items with ISK. If prototype gear was so expensive you relied upon PC and EVE pilots (once EVE-DUST ISK transfers are implemented) to pay for it, you aren't going to use it in pubs. And if militia gear remained cheap, newbies would at the worst see themselves up against standard gear.

We're mercenaries and ISK should determine who we fight and what we bring to fights. SP should simply be a bonus, an afterthought.

If you want a game that panders to newer player then you don't have to play this one...... Lol, personally I like the fact that newblets have zero chance against me. It means I was rewarded for playing such a long time. I would hate this game if it had all the same flaws AND it was that much easier for newbies to kill me. Right now my only solace is that I can occasionally crush a newb and humiliate them by side strafing and not shooting back, only to watch them spend three clips to no avail......

LOL you couldn't catch up to 12 month veterans In one random Saturday? How dare CCP do that to you..... maybe we should just introduce 1 million SP merc packs, that wouldn't be pay to win or anything god...... This game has work to be done in it, and eventually it will become more newb friendly, (just like eve online did) but that all comes with time.

@keyser

You sound like you are personally, legitimately, undeniably hating me. You are sounding just like regnum. And once again a member of the imps brings up my association with my corp when it has no relevance on the subject. And its always one of you guys doing this to me as i noticed. I thought you guys were hating me for being in PRO so I left it and went to D-Uni hoping that is ok with you guys. But no, it seems no matter where I go you will hate me personally regardless. That said, I bet you folks will still hate me even if I changed my opinions to match yours.

What is up with you guys?

I hope I'm wrong though and that you guys don't speak on behalf of negative feedback or whoever.

Uh... You don't buy SP. You can buy boosters, but they only work over time. Buying SP would make Dust pay-to-win, and CCP does not want that. It banks not on you paying to level up faster, but leveling up to save time (in training) and money(ISK, not real money). Aurum is more of a convenience currency, not a winning currency.

So for people to blindly act as if they know or understand the console market trends or the communities themselves when most who argue against me tend to be PC leets who came to this game from EVE and bought a PS3 strictly for Dust, yea i have an issue with players such as that. Im not saying you are one of them but many of the comments you make seem to lead me to that same conclusion.