DUST Search - Numbers of PC???

Django Quik wrote:

Surt gods end wrote:

Django Quik wrote:

Queen of Uranus wrote:

Django Quik wrote:

I qualified my calculations as being generous. I doubt there are as many as 1,000 playing PC and definitely should state that I reckon these are total rather than regularly every day playing PC. I was really just trying to point out that the OP suggestion of 1/10 is way too high. I wouldn't be surprised if 1,000 players total play in PC but at least half of them would be only every once in a while, like once a week maybe.

You don't have to reasons why you are wrong, just admit it. <200 at most.

Okay, so just checked the war report from the Info Broker and there are actually many more corps than I estimated were in PC, 47 in fact. Each corp will at least have a full team of 16 players, so 47 * 16 = 752. At the very minimum 752 people are currently playing PC regularly. Many more will be being used as ringers from other non PC corps and the bigger corps with more districts will have B teams and maybe more. There will also be people who occasionally play, like once a week, so I'd say 1,000 is actually a pretty conservative estimate.

Your not counting the no shows. and their are a lot of those. so numbers might be less? I'm not good at math. You guys take care of that part! I've played PC, long enough to realize it's less fun than CB.

Yes, there are some no shows but every corp with land will have a PC team that plays at least some matches, even if they do skip some. This is easily out-weighed by the corps that field multiple teams.

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shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 189	Posted - 2013.06.21 11:37:00 - [1] - Quote I'm curious how many players are actively involved in PC? I'm asking because i see that the devs are pushing on this side of the game, but i feel like 1/10 of the players are actually involved in PC.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2013.06.21 11:42:00 - [2] - Quote That is the VIP section, don't worry about that part of the game, is not for 2nd class citizens like you and me.
JL3Eleven PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 498	Posted - 2013.06.21 11:47:00 - [3] - Quote <150
Allah's Snackbar Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 242	Posted - 2013.06.21 11:49:00 - [4] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: <150 ...and falling.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 705	Posted - 2013.06.21 12:02:00 - [5] - Quote 1/10 would be a sizable over-estimation. Let's assume the playerbase is around 20,000 total (seems reasonable with daily peaks of 5,500 and makes a nice round number); there are around 25 corps currently in PC (again estimate for nice numbers); assume on average each corp has 2 PC teams with some extra players for standby/ringers, so 40 per corp, that's 1,000 players probably currently playing in PC. So more like 1/20 or 5% of the playerbase. edit - I think I've been pretty generous with my numbers there, so I'd say that 5% is probably the absolute upper limit of that estimation.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 705	Posted - 2013.06.21 12:04:00 - [6] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: <150 That's just a troll - less than 150 players equates to just 9 corps and there are much more than that in PC.
JL3Eleven PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 500	Posted - 2013.06.21 12:07:00 - [7] - Quote Django Quik wrote: 1/10 would be a sizable over-estimation. Let's assume the playerbase is around 20,000 total (seems reasonable with daily peaks of 5,500 and makes a nice round number); there are around 25 corps currently in PC (again estimate for nice numbers); assume on average each corp has 2 PC teams with some extra players for standby/ringers, so 40 per corp, that's 1,000 players probably currently playing in PC. So more like 1/20 or 5% of the playerbase. that's a lot of assuming don't you say?
JL3Eleven PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 500	Posted - 2013.06.21 12:08:00 - [8] - Quote Django Quik wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: <150 That's just a troll - less than 150 players equates to just 9 corps and there are much more than that in PC. Evidence makes believers.
DildoMcnutz The Tickle Monsters 15	Posted - 2013.06.21 12:08:00 - [9] - Quote The match i was in today 2 of our 3 squads couldnt even spawn in so we just left. Dont worry about PC man, its usually laggy and barely works.
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 559	Posted - 2013.06.21 12:10:00 - [10] - Quote Only the top 10%. I see the same people in every PC battle. But yeah, I play.

shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 189	Posted - 2013.06.21 12:11:00 - [11] - Quote I have no problems with PC, i'm in the large majority who don't play PC, but all these efforts from CCP for an assumed 5% of players is too much.
Dengru Red Star. EoN. 24	Posted - 2013.06.21 12:13:00 - [12] - Quote there is no way 1000 people are playing. 150 may be to few but 1000? Please.
JL3Eleven PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 500	Posted - 2013.06.21 12:17:00 - [13] - Quote Seriously who is battling who these days? Instead of everyone vs. chronos.?
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 380	Posted - 2013.06.21 12:17:00 - [14] - Quote PC is nothing more than a vehicle for passive income for the "cool" kids. The rest of us need to suffer through pubs (whether called FW or Instant Battles!!) where the very same cool kids come to play in their cool kid proto gear.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 705	Posted - 2013.06.21 12:25:00 - [15] - Quote I qualified my calculations as being generous. I doubt there are as many as 1,000 playing PC and definitely should state that I reckon these are total rather than regularly every day playing PC. I was really just trying to point out that the OP suggestion of 1/10 is way too high. I wouldn't be surprised if 1,000 players total play in PC but at least half of them would be only every once in a while, like once a week maybe.
Queen of Uranus Dust 514 Forum Trolls 47	Posted - 2013.06.21 12:33:00 - [16] - Quote Django Quik wrote: I qualified my calculations as being generous. I doubt there are as many as 1,000 playing PC and definitely should state that I reckon these are total rather than regularly every day playing PC. I was really just trying to point out that the OP suggestion of 1/10 is way too high. I wouldn't be surprised if 1,000 players total play in PC but at least half of them would be only every once in a while, like once a week maybe. You don't have to reasons why you are wrong, just admit it. <200 at most.
The Black Art Pro Hic Immortalis 138	Posted - 2013.06.21 12:37:00 - [17] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Seriously who is battling who these days? Instead of everyone vs. chronos.? Eon vs CRONOS, LOI vs ROFL. That's about it. People like to say "oh we're FPS gamers, the wars will never stop", but there'll be a time when war simply becomes no longer viable as people realize what they can and can't hold. I'd say 80% of corps have realized that they can only hold so many districts and are sitting on that many or are working on getting a few more to reach their limit. Some corps are overextending currently, but nothing can be done about it really since there's no one in PC left to take all those districts with out overextending themselves.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 705	Posted - 2013.06.21 12:43:00 - [18] - Quote Queen of Uranus wrote: Django Quik wrote: I qualified my calculations as being generous. I doubt there are as many as 1,000 playing PC and definitely should state that I reckon these are total rather than regularly every day playing PC. I was really just trying to point out that the OP suggestion of 1/10 is way too high. I wouldn't be surprised if 1,000 players total play in PC but at least half of them would be only every once in a while, like once a week maybe. You don't have to reasons why you are wrong, just admit it. <200 at most. Okay, so just checked the war report from the Info Broker and there are actually many more corps than I estimated were in PC, 47 in fact. Each corp will at least have a full team of 16 players, so 47 * 16 = 752. At the very minimum 752 people are currently playing PC regularly. Many more will be being used as ringers from other non PC corps and the bigger corps with more districts will have B teams and maybe more. There will also be people who occasionally play, like once a week, so I'd say 1,000 is actually a pretty conservative estimate.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 328	Posted - 2013.06.21 12:50:00 - [19] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: Django Quik wrote: I qualified my calculations as being generous. I doubt there are as many as 1,000 playing PC and definitely should state that I reckon these are total rather than regularly every day playing PC. I was really just trying to point out that the OP suggestion of 1/10 is way too high. I wouldn't be surprised if 1,000 players total play in PC but at least half of them would be only every once in a while, like once a week maybe. You don't have to reasons why you are wrong, just admit it. <200 at most. Okay, so just checked the war report from the Info Broker and there are actually many more corps than I estimated were in PC, 47 in fact. Each corp will at least have a full team of 16 players, so 47 * 16 = 752. At the very minimum 752 people are currently playing PC regularly. Many more will be being used as ringers from other non PC corps and the bigger corps with more districts will have B teams and maybe more. There will also be people who occasionally play, like once a week, so I'd say 1,000 is actually a pretty conservative estimate. Your not counting the no shows. and their are a lot of those. so numbers might be less? I'm not good at math. You guys take care of that part! I've played PC, long enough to realize it's less fun than CB.
Queen of Uranus Dust 514 Forum Trolls 48	Posted - 2013.06.21 13:02:00 - [20] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: Django Quik wrote: I qualified my calculations as being generous. I doubt there are as many as 1,000 playing PC and definitely should state that I reckon these are total rather than regularly every day playing PC. I was really just trying to point out that the OP suggestion of 1/10 is way too high. I wouldn't be surprised if 1,000 players total play in PC but at least half of them would be only every once in a while, like once a week maybe. You don't have to reasons why you are wrong, just admit it. <200 at most. Okay, so just checked the war report from the Info Broker and there are actually many more corps than I estimated were in PC, 47 in fact. Each corp will at least have a full team of 16 players, so 47 * 16 = 752. At the very minimum 752 people are currently playing PC regularly. Many more will be being used as ringers from other non PC corps and the bigger corps with more districts will have B teams and maybe more. There will also be people who occasionally play, like once a week, so I'd say 1,000 is actually a pretty conservative estimate. SMH. Not every district is getting attacked everyday genius. #MathFail.

Django Quik R.I.f.t 705	Posted - 2013.06.21 13:05:00 - [21] - Quote Queen of Uranus wrote: Django Quik wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: Django Quik wrote: I qualified my calculations as being generous. I doubt there are as many as 1,000 playing PC and definitely should state that I reckon these are total rather than regularly every day playing PC. I was really just trying to point out that the OP suggestion of 1/10 is way too high. I wouldn't be surprised if 1,000 players total play in PC but at least half of them would be only every once in a while, like once a week maybe. You don't have to reasons why you are wrong, just admit it. <200 at most. Okay, so just checked the war report from the Info Broker and there are actually many more corps than I estimated were in PC, 47 in fact. Each corp will at least have a full team of 16 players, so 47 * 16 = 752. At the very minimum 752 people are currently playing PC regularly. Many more will be being used as ringers from other non PC corps and the bigger corps with more districts will have B teams and maybe more. There will also be people who occasionally play, like once a week, so I'd say 1,000 is actually a pretty conservative estimate. SMH. Not every district is getting attacked everyday genius. #MathFail. That's why I calculated it by number of corps rather than number of districts. There aren't many corps that aren't fighting at least once a day. I even removed 2 corps from the equation because Neg Feed have stopped playing. Also, it doesn't matter if they're not playing every day - I'm talking total numbers, not daily figures.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 705	Posted - 2013.06.21 13:08:00 - [22] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: Django Quik wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: Django Quik wrote: I qualified my calculations as being generous. I doubt there are as many as 1,000 playing PC and definitely should state that I reckon these are total rather than regularly every day playing PC. I was really just trying to point out that the OP suggestion of 1/10 is way too high. I wouldn't be surprised if 1,000 players total play in PC but at least half of them would be only every once in a while, like once a week maybe. You don't have to reasons why you are wrong, just admit it. <200 at most. Okay, so just checked the war report from the Info Broker and there are actually many more corps than I estimated were in PC, 47 in fact. Each corp will at least have a full team of 16 players, so 47 * 16 = 752. At the very minimum 752 people are currently playing PC regularly. Many more will be being used as ringers from other non PC corps and the bigger corps with more districts will have B teams and maybe more. There will also be people who occasionally play, like once a week, so I'd say 1,000 is actually a pretty conservative estimate. Your not counting the no shows. and their are a lot of those. so numbers might be less? I'm not good at math. You guys take care of that part! I've played PC, long enough to realize it's less fun than CB. Yes, there are some no shows but every corp with land will have a PC team that plays at least some matches, even if they do skip some. This is easily out-weighed by the corps that field multiple teams.
Queen of Uranus Dust 514 Forum Trolls 48	Posted - 2013.06.21 13:10:00 - [23] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Surt gods end wrote: Django Quik wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: Django Quik wrote: I qualified my calculations as being generous. I doubt there are as many as 1,000 playing PC and definitely should state that I reckon these are total rather than regularly every day playing PC. I was really just trying to point out that the OP suggestion of 1/10 is way too high. I wouldn't be surprised if 1,000 players total play in PC but at least half of them would be only every once in a while, like once a week maybe. You don't have to reasons why you are wrong, just admit it. <200 at most. Okay, so just checked the war report from the Info Broker and there are actually many more corps than I estimated were in PC, 47 in fact. Each corp will at least have a full team of 16 players, so 47 * 16 = 752. At the very minimum 752 people are currently playing PC regularly. Many more will be being used as ringers from other non PC corps and the bigger corps with more districts will have B teams and maybe more. There will also be people who occasionally play, like once a week, so I'd say 1,000 is actually a pretty conservative estimate. Your not counting the no shows. and their are a lot of those. so numbers might be less? I'm not good at math. You guys take care of that part! I've played PC, long enough to realize it's less fun than CB. Yes, there are some no shows but every corp with land will have a PC team that plays at least some matches, even if they do skip some. This is easily out-weighed by the corps that field multiple teams. Assume much?
Django Quik R.I.f.t 705	Posted - 2013.06.21 13:17:00 - [24] - Quote Queen of Uranus wrote: Assume much? It's pretty safe to assume that corps with land are fighting for it pretty regularly.
Queen of Uranus Dust 514 Forum Trolls 49	Posted - 2013.06.21 13:20:00 - [25] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: Assume much? It's pretty safe to assume that corps with land are fighting for it pretty regularly. Considering some gave it up like it had AIDS? Yea point proven. SMH.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 384	Posted - 2013.06.21 13:22:00 - [26] - Quote Queen of Uranus wrote: Django Quik wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: Assume much? It's pretty safe to assume that corps with land are fighting for it pretty regularly. Considering some gave it up like it had AIDS? Yea point proven. SMH. Some of us also never even started it cause despite her being hot, we knew she had AIDS.
Queen of Uranus Dust 514 Forum Trolls 51	Posted - 2013.06.21 13:31:00 - [27] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: Django Quik wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: Assume much? It's pretty safe to assume that corps with land are fighting for it pretty regularly. Considering some gave it up like it had AIDS? Yea point proven. SMH. Some of us also never even started it cause despite her being hot, we knew she had AIDS. Even moar reason to say it's broken don't you think?
XeroTheBigBoss TeamPlayers EoN. 534	Posted - 2013.06.21 13:32:00 - [28] - Quote shaman oga wrote: I'm curious how many players are actively involved in PC? I'm asking because i see that the devs are pushing on this side of the game, but i feel like 1/10 of the players are actually involved in PC. I like PC I think it is interesting.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 329	Posted - 2013.06.21 13:40:00 - [29] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: shaman oga wrote: I'm curious how many players are actively involved in PC? I'm asking because i see that the devs are pushing on this side of the game, but i feel like 1/10 of the players are actually involved in PC. I like PC I think it is interesting. You didn't like CB better? CB made me feel full, like a full course meal. PC is a Japanese meal. pretty to look at but doesn't fill you up. Every night after I got paid my isk I would head to the warf where tayna had a brothel.... um I mean I would head to the upper districts where I would dine with elegant ladies. nice save shut up.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 189	Posted - 2013.06.21 13:43:00 - [30] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: shaman oga wrote: I'm curious how many players are actively involved in PC? I'm asking because i see that the devs are pushing on this side of the game, but i feel like 1/10 of the players are actually involved in PC. I like PC I think it is interesting. I do not play PC but i don't say it's not interesting. The PC mechanics are prohibitive and not a lot of people play it, so i'm asking why the devs have promoted this game mode instead of another game mode more open to every player. All these effort for 1/20 of the player base, while the remaining 19/20 plays the same pvp over and over again.

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 385	Posted - 2013.06.21 13:45:00 - [31] - Quote Queen of Uranus wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: Django Quik wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: Assume much? It's pretty safe to assume that corps with land are fighting for it pretty regularly. Considering some gave it up like it had AIDS? Yea point proven. SMH. Some of us also never even started it cause despite her being hot, we knew she had AIDS. Even moar reason to say it's broken don't you think? Yeah, good point. Timers need to go, scheduled battles go against the spirit of the game. Anyone should be able to attack any district at any time with timers being an afterthought (similar to how they are in Eve). IMHO, the passive income NEEDS to go too. PC should open up opportunities for active wealth generation (dust anomaly plexing or something along those lines) so that holding the land and being active with the land is what is important. Make it so that the anomaly plexing can be interfered with (i.e. give us PvPvE). Give us a place where we need to go and be active that is OURS and benefits those who ACTIVELY utilize the resources at their disposal. Passive is bad m'kay? Make it so that the people who want to reap the benefits of owning districts need to actually play to gain said benefits. If they don't want to PVE, then I guess they don't want reap that wealth. Just my thoughts on the matter, things I was hoping for before PC was released and the reasons why I have thought it was broken from the start (just from an outsiders perspective).
Cass Barr Red Star. EoN. 336	Posted - 2013.06.21 14:00:00 - [32] - Quote Yes PC is taking up a lot of Dev time, because it's the crux of Dust. Without it all the have is a subpart lobby shooter, a game they will fail at, as they've proven over and over. Sure it's in a state where a lot of the playerbase isn't involved in it, because it has enough problems that they don't WANT to be involved; it's not that they're being crowded out. Do you think those problems are going to fix themselves?
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 386	Posted - 2013.06.21 14:42:00 - [33] - Quote Cass Barr wrote: Yes PC is taking up a lot of Dev time, because it's the crux of Dust. Without it all the have is a subpart lobby shooter, a game they will fail at, as they've proven over and over. Sure it's in a state where a lot of the playerbase isn't involved in it, because it has enough problems that they don't WANT to be involved; it's not that they're being crowded out. Do you think those problems are going to fix themselves? Nope, as a matter of fact, I think that the current brokenness will prevent PC from ever being a viable "thing". As it stands now, it only exists for a small percentage of the playerbase who are masochists. As time drags on, these masochists will amass large amounts of passive wealth allowing them the wherewithal to close out any other participants once future PC regions are opened (hopefully not until after the other problems are fixed). Not only will they be able to close out others from PC with said passively generated wealth, they will use it to "prove their manhood" by running around in pubs roflstomping anyone who doesn't want to field a full squad of protoscrubs. Oh, can't forget about the I'm-Fresh-Out-Of-Academy newbs who very well may just uninstall and forget the game if they get faceraped straight out of the gate. Can't have a game without a playerbase. In closing, Passive Wealth is bad, m'kay?
Dustin TheTrash Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.22 04:26:00 - [34] - Quote I made a video expressing the OP's Concerns Please leave comment if you agree. Thanks
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2042	Posted - 2013.06.22 05:16:00 - [35] - Quote Dustin TheTrash wrote: I made a video expressing the OP's Concerns Please leave comment if you agree. Thanks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF1tw3Zcvo8
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 189	Posted - 2013.06.22 08:54:00 - [36] - Quote Dustin TheTrash wrote: I made a video expressing the OP's Concerns Please leave comment if you agree. Thanks At least change the video, it's always the same or seems the same every time i see it.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 679	Posted - 2013.06.22 09:09:00 - [37] - Quote The entire purpose of Dust is to get involved with the Eve universe. PC is the outlet in which you can do that most directly. If most people aren't going to do that, than I am simply reinforced in my belief that most people are idiots.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 189	Posted - 2013.06.22 09:36:00 - [38] - Quote The mechanics are prohibitive that's why a lot of people do not play PC, nobody is against it, but tell me: how a little corp can afford to spend xx millions of Isk to attack a district? They can't or if they can, after one day, they will lose the district again.
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe Planetary Response Organisation 365	Posted - 2013.06.22 09:45:00 - [39] - Quote I would imagine that one of the things CCP is working on in PC is making it more accessible. Increasing battle size, for example, would mean there would be room for people other than the elite few in these corp vs corp battles.
Greg FREESEr Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.23 00:13:00 - [40] - Quote Untill we get accurate numbers tis whole thread is speculation.

Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 289	Posted - 2013.06.23 00:23:00 - [41] - Quote I count 43 Corporations involved in PC. Assuming each corp has around 25 people that play PC (that's probably low TBH) That's around 1000 people playing PC.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 682	Posted - 2013.06.23 00:24:00 - [42] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: PC is nothing more than a vehicle for passive income for the "cool" kids. The rest of us need to suffer through pubs (whether called FW or Instant Battles!!) where the very same cool kids come to play in their cool kid proto gear. You sound like a whiny liberal. Why don't you go out and take some territory instead of crying about feeling left out?
LEOn Mendez Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2013.06.23 05:39:00 - [43] - Quote I really think resources should go to core functions first
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3948	Posted - 2013.06.23 05:45:00 - [44] - Quote The problem here is that they're trying to forge a strong link out of tin foil.... The game mechanics need more oomph.
Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 297	Posted - 2013.06.23 06:12:00 - [45] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I count 43 Corporations involved in PC. Assuming each corp has around 25 people that play PC (that's probably low TBH) That's around 1000 people playing PC. Did I just quote myself, why yes I did. Did I just talk in the third person? Straight up nerd.


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