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XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.06.25 17:27:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:I haven't come across this bug unless you mean the one where if a person strafes with the controller and the keyboard at the same time they basically sprint strafe, that needs to be fixed asap because technically minded ppl with the right equipment could make a mod where they just have to press 1 key to get the same effect.
as for this take away kb/m nonsense lol, suck a long one it isn't gunna happen and if you don't like it well uninstall, c u next tuesday.
I am talking about if you use a keyboard you can literally run while going left to right. You can always tell a keyboard player specially when they are heavy they are crazy noticeable because they move back and forth faster than normal heavies. This is because controller heavies are strafing with movement speed and keyboard heavies strafe with sprint speed. Same for Assaults or Logis they strafe crazy fast back and forth. You can clearly see it. |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.26 01:35:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Exploit...? Ok, are you calling the 'sprint strafe' thing a nexploit, or KB/M an exploit?
As it is, I see no reason why controller users can't have this ability as well, but then, I 'sprint strafe' all the time in other games.
High speed strafing is an exploit that can cause bullets to miss when they would have otherwise hit. Controller users cannot do this because the joystick as it moves around forces the character to slow down and speed up depending on how far from the center it currently stands.
Keboard users do not have this middle zone in the least, so they can spasm left and right at maximum speed, causing a "latency ghost" that is in effect invulnerable to bullet fire at certain times. You can still hit them, but not for the full duration of the motion such as a Joystick user can be hit.
If they were to implement a kind of "inertia" for keyboard users to mimic the bare minimum that a Joystick user has, then it wouldn't be so much of a problem. |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.06.26 06:35:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Exploit...? Ok, are you calling the 'sprint strafe' thing a nexploit, or KB/M an exploit?
As it is, I see no reason why controller users can't have this ability as well, but then, I 'sprint strafe' all the time in other games.
High speed strafing is an exploit that can cause bullets to miss when they would have otherwise hit. Controller users cannot do this because the joystick as it moves around forces the character to slow down and speed up depending on how far from the center it currently stands. Keboard users do not have this middle zone in the least, so they can spasm left and right at maximum speed, causing a "latency ghost" that is in effect invulnerable to bullet fire at certain times. You can still hit them, but not for the full duration of the motion such as a Joystick user can be hit. If they were to implement a kind of "inertia" for keyboard users to mimic the bare minimum that a Joystick user has, then it wouldn't be so much of a problem.
Which is why there is TWO movement speeds. Sprint speed and Movement speed. Keyboard users get to exploit by using the SPRINT speed as their STRAFE speed where controller user can only use MOVEMENT speed to STRAFE.
Creating unbalance in the game. Games are supposed to be balance not offer a clear cut advantage by using hardware. I know that's how the PC world works but not Console gaming. Every body as far as hardware is supposed to be on the same level. If others vote to use CASH in a F2P game obviously they are supposed to have small advantages. Using Keyboard however is a huge advantage and we are used to using controllers in our console games should not be punished so EVE players or PC players can remain happy with their much needed Sprint strafe advantage. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:42:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Ps3 supports kbm.
QQ more.
Having said that, ds3 players should be able to sprint strafe as well. I understood this was working, perhaps some additional ds3 players can chime in about whether it works or not. For the record, kbm users do not have the directional freedom that ds3 users do. Kbm users can only move in 8 directions, and only 2 speeds - run or sprint. Don't need directional strafe you have left to right strafe. Get good.
I'm guessing you can't read. Otherwise I have no idea how you missed the entire point of such a short post. Maybe you should get good at comprehension. |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.06.27 06:25:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Ps3 supports kbm.
QQ more.
Having said that, ds3 players should be able to sprint strafe as well. I understood this was working, perhaps some additional ds3 players can chime in about whether it works or not. For the record, kbm users do not have the directional freedom that ds3 users do. Kbm users can only move in 8 directions, and only 2 speeds - run or sprint. Don't need directional strafe you have left to right strafe. Get good. I'm guessing you can't read. Otherwise I have no idea how you missed the entire point of such a short post. Maybe you should get good at comprehension.
I don't even think you know what you are typing... Sprint and Run is the exact same thing. |
Indy Strizer
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
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Posted - 2013.06.27 06:36:00 -
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Dem Spurs. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.06.27 20:50:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Ps3 supports kbm.
QQ more.
Having said that, ds3 players should be able to sprint strafe as well. I understood this was working, perhaps some additional ds3 players can chime in about whether it works or not. For the record, kbm users do not have the directional freedom that ds3 users do. Kbm users can only move in 8 directions, and only 2 speeds - run or sprint. Don't need directional strafe you have left to right strafe. Get good. I'm guessing you can't read. Otherwise I have no idea how you missed the entire point of such a short post. Maybe you should get good at comprehension. I don't even think you know what you are typing... Sprint and Run is the exact same thing.
Lol no, unless of course normal speed is walk - which it obviously isn't. |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.06.27 20:53:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Ps3 supports kbm.
QQ more.
Having said that, ds3 players should be able to sprint strafe as well. I understood this was working, perhaps some additional ds3 players can chime in about whether it works or not. For the record, kbm users do not have the directional freedom that ds3 users do. Kbm users can only move in 8 directions, and only 2 speeds - run or sprint. Don't need directional strafe you have left to right strafe. Get good. I'm guessing you can't read. Otherwise I have no idea how you missed the entire point of such a short post. Maybe you should get good at comprehension. I don't even think you know what you are typing... Sprint and Run is the exact same thing. Lol no, unless of course normal speed is walk - which it obviously isn't.
This topic is getting way off track. I am putting a end to this. BACK ON TOPIC. If you are just gonna come in here and talk about other junk that is pointless don't bother posting. |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.06.27 20:54:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Is there any plans on removing this feature from the game CCP? KB players have significant advantage. You might as well give them cheat codes. Why have a movement speed and a sprint speed? You might as well have
Controller speed KB speed
That is exactly what it is. KB players use their sprint speed to strafe anyway. It's annoying to fight a Heavy that strafes back and forth at assault speed. Their HMG dishes out crazy dmg and with them being able to use their sprint speed to strafe makes it really hard to hit them while they are melting you. You can jump behind a controller heavy and pretty much use speed to shoot him in back where against a keyboard heavy they have unlimited turn speed because they are allowed to use their sprint speed as their movement speed.
I will be sending ticket about this problem as well. It has gotten to the point where I can pretty much point out a KB and controller player. KB players strafe a lot faster than they are supposed to. If this is working as intended why is there a move and strafe speed? It should just be renamed to KB and Controller speed.
I realize using sprint movement takes stamina but they still get a lot of time to sprint back and forth in strafe making them a lot harder to hit than you are moving at normal move speed.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.06.27 21:08:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:
Don't need directional strafe you have left to right strafe. Get good.
I'm guessing you can't read. Otherwise I have no idea how you missed the entire point of such a short post. Maybe you should get good at comprehension. I don't even think you know what you are typing... Sprint and Run is the exact same thing. Lol no, unless of course normal speed is walk - which it obviously isn't. This topic is getting way off track. I am putting a end to this. BACK ON TOPIC. If you are just gonna come in here and talk about other junk that is pointless don't bother posting.
Um, my point, which seems to elude the ds3 player is twofold. I'll break it down to simplespeak:
1) kbm is fully supported by the PS3, therefore it is as valid an input method of ds3.
2) ds3 input has several advantages over kbm that seem to be missed in these "discussions"
2a) ds3 users have a range of motion speeds and directions available that aren't available to kbm users.
2b) some things are significantly easier when using the ds3, like cooking grenades and using turrets to name two.
Therefore the two control methods are more balanced than the OP implies. |
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XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.06.27 21:14:00 -
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Doesn't change the fact that in gun fights you guys can use your sprint speed to go left to right when controllers are stuck on movement speed only. I am not saying scrap Keyboards. I am simply saying the FACT that they get to sprint strafe is unbalanced and should not be available to EITHER hardware. Not my fault you depend on a exploit.
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EVE-Daniel
Liandri Hel-Jumpers Liandri Covenant
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Posted - 2013.06.27 21:28:00 -
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im a KB/M user and my experience is you CANNOT strafe in sprint speed, the game does not allowed it, I have tried i even tried with the kb/m and controller at same time, it just is not possible.
NOTE: i am even trying it right now and still can't do it |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.06.27 21:44:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:
Doesn't change the fact that in gun fights you guys can use your sprint speed to go left to right when controllers are stuck on movement speed only. I am not saying scrap Keyboards. I am simply saying the FACT that they get to sprint strafe is unbalanced and should not be available to EITHER hardware. Not my fault you depend on a exploit.
Calling something that works correctly, assuming it does (see previous post) an exploit is a bit biased.
I could just as easily say it's not my problem that you insist on using a defective control system. |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.06.27 21:50:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:
Doesn't change the fact that in gun fights you guys can use your sprint speed to go left to right when controllers are stuck on movement speed only. I am not saying scrap Keyboards. I am simply saying the FACT that they get to sprint strafe is unbalanced and should not be available to EITHER hardware. Not my fault you depend on a exploit.
Calling something that works correctly, assuming it does (see previous post) an exploit is a bit biased. I could just as easily say it's not my problem that you insist on using a defective control system.
The previous post clearly doesn't know where the strafe button is or is protecting his exploit. Yes KB is superior control system BUT CCP has the power to fix it and bring it down to Controller standards so it's BALANCED. I know this concept may scare you cause than you would no longer have your advantage but balance is the key to success in any game based on Multi player. |
EVE-Daniel
Liandri Hel-Jumpers Liandri Covenant
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Posted - 2013.06.27 22:29:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:
Doesn't change the fact that in gun fights you guys can use your sprint speed to go left to right when controllers are stuck on movement speed only. I am not saying scrap Keyboards. I am simply saying the FACT that they get to sprint strafe is unbalanced and should not be available to EITHER hardware. Not my fault you depend on a exploit.
Calling something that works correctly, assuming it does (see previous post) an exploit is a bit biased. I could just as easily say it's not my problem that you insist on using a defective control system. The previous post clearly doesn't know where the strafe button is or is protecting his exploit. Yes KB is superior control system BUT CCP has the power to fix it and bring it down to Controller standards so it's BALANCED. I know this concept may scare you cause than you would no longer have your advantage but balance is the key to success in any game based on Multi player. Or you are protecting your post so you can get an advantage over KB/M users were KB/M users are already inferior to controls when it comes to movement speed, driving cars, and hell when u press the grenade key, it throws it, even when u hold it down it still throws it, kb/m users cannot hold down a grenade in there hand like a controller user can |
Jathniel
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Posted - 2013.06.27 22:41:00 -
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I understand the problem that the OP is referring to.
As a KB/M user I can confirm however, that KB DOES NOT strafe faster than DS3.
BUT...!
Strafing speeds actually STACK between BOTH inputs. Yes, strafing on both keyboard and DS3 at the same time, actually doubles your strafe speed.
Holding W on keyboard, and holding Left on DS3 joystick makes you move faster than just using either input alone (the same is true for D and Right, respectively).
Apparently, a minority of multi-limbed, multi-talented people have somehow figured out how to stack strafing commands from both inputs in the heat of combat... and that results in the unusual exploit strafe speed that we all end up seeing.
That said, it's not a problem with KBs themselves. |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.06.28 04:03:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:I understand the problem that the OP is referring to.
As a KB/M user I can confirm however, that KB DOES NOT strafe faster than DS3.
BUT...!
Strafing speeds actually STACK between BOTH inputs. Yes, strafing on both keyboard and DS3 at the same time, actually doubles your strafe speed.
Holding W on keyboard, and holding Left on DS3 joystick makes you move faster than just using either input alone (the same is true for D and Right, respectively).
Apparently, a minority of multi-limbed, multi-talented people have somehow figured out how to stack strafing commands from both inputs in the heat of combat... and that results in the unusual exploit strafe speed that we all end up seeing.
That said, it's not a problem with KBs themselves.
I am not saying KB moves faster than Controller sprint wise. I am saying that KB users can SPRINT while they are STRAFING right to left. Is what I am saying. As far as the "We can't cook nades" arguement that is why they put in explosion on contact nades. Stop acting like grenades are off the market for you guys.
EDIT- As far as me "needing" a advantage over KB players, LOL! Is the only reply I am gonna give that statement. I want BALANCE. Make it so KB players can cook grenades by holding the grenade button. Make it where KB users can't Sprint while they are moving left to right. |
Beld Errmon
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.28 04:53:00 -
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Jathniel wrote: Apparently, a minority of multi-limbed, multi-talented people have somehow figured out how to stack strafing commands from both inputs in the heat of combat... and that results in the unusual exploit strafe speed that we all end up seeing.
That said, it's not a problem with KBs themselves.
I think its worse than that, I was discussing this with my partner recently and we reckon its possible to plug our G13 gaming board thingie into the ps3 (i dunno what its called mini keyboard for playing MMOs like wow and rift) and program it to press keyboard and controller buttons at the same time, so its probably possible for ppl to exploit this super strafe quite easily, I'll try it out later and see if it works, cause i swear some ppl are playing with double strafe speed.
even if you couldn't do it this easily theres nothing to stop someone with some electronics knowledge from rewiring their keyboard and controller together.
As for the KB/m vs controller arguement... the top players in the game are controller users, I know for sure 13ear and regnum are. |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.06.28 05:01:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Jathniel wrote: Apparently, a minority of multi-limbed, multi-talented people have somehow figured out how to stack strafing commands from both inputs in the heat of combat... and that results in the unusual exploit strafe speed that we all end up seeing.
That said, it's not a problem with KBs themselves.
I think its worse than that, I was discussing this with my partner recently and we reckon its possible to plug our G13 gaming board thingie into the ps3 (i dunno what its called mini keyboard for playing MMOs like wow and rift) and program it to press keyboard and controller buttons at the same time, so its probably possible for ppl to exploit this super strafe quite easily, I'll try it out later and see if it works, cause i swear some ppl are playing with double strafe speed. even if you couldn't do it this easily theres nothing to stop someone with some electronics knowledge from rewiring their keyboard and controller together. As for the KB/m vs controller arguement... the top players in the game are controller users, I know for sure 13ear and regnum are.
Exactly! Like I said you have to really be looking for it but once you train yourself you can EASILY spot it out. EVERYBODY should have same strafe speed. (When I say everybody I mean All Scouts the same All Assaults the same All logi the same All Heavy the same) It shouldn't be certain players have different strafe speed. Once you train your eyes how to look for it you can spot it pretty easily.
EDIT- Regnyum says he uses KB/M when Cubs (I think) asked him. He said he uses both but normally uses kb/m but the shooting mechanics are broke right now (which they are) so he's been using a little controller but he's kb/m |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.06.28 05:30:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Jathniel wrote: Apparently, a minority of multi-limbed, multi-talented people have somehow figured out how to stack strafing commands from both inputs in the heat of combat... and that results in the unusual exploit strafe speed that we all end up seeing.
That said, it's not a problem with KBs themselves.
I think its worse than that, I was discussing this with my partner recently and we reckon its possible to plug our G13 gaming board thingie into the ps3 (i dunno what its called mini keyboard for playing MMOs like wow and rift) and program it to press keyboard and controller buttons at the same time, so its probably possible for ppl to exploit this super strafe quite easily, I'll try it out later and see if it works, cause i swear some ppl are playing with double strafe speed. even if you couldn't do it this easily theres nothing to stop someone with some electronics knowledge from rewiring their keyboard and controller together. As for the KB/m vs controller arguement... the top players in the game are controller users, I know for sure 13ear and regnum are.
Most programmable keyboard accessories rely on software on the PC to function. Many of them, the G13 included, won't work at all on the PS3 because they don't come supplied with default "real" key codes. |
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pseudosnipre
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:46:00 -
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In chromosome, sprinting on kbm meant it only worked when 'w' alone was pressed. In uprising 'w' must still be held down, but now 'a' or 's' allow sprinting at 45* to left/right and not just straight ahead. Sprinting while holding 'a' or 's' alone only allows movement speeds.
The double strafe speed is an exploit and has nothing to do with ds3 vs kbm. Ironically, it's the balance of ds3 AND kbm. |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.06.28 21:45:00 -
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BUMP for GMs |
Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.06.29 07:41:00 -
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Bump. |
The legend345
Silver Talon Corporation
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Posted - 2013.06.30 06:27:00 -
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pssttt hey.. im gonna let you in on a secret (DONT TELL ANYONE). Mouse aiming is broken af. Seriously its terrible. I prefer mouse over controller and im twice as good with a controller this build. Also next gen mouse and keyboard Is rumored to be supported on all games. |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.06.30 07:08:00 -
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The legend345 wrote:pssttt hey.. im gonna let you in on a secret (DONT TELL ANYONE). Mouse aiming is broken af. Seriously its terrible. I prefer mouse over controller and im twice as good with a controller this build. Also next gen mouse and keyboard Is rumored to be supported on all games.
Even so the game should be BALANCED. Fix whatever it is that makes mouse aiming suck. It's not perfect for controller either BTW. |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.07.01 19:42:00 -
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Bump for devs |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:01:00 -
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BUMP 4 Devs |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.08 20:44:00 -
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This is still a problem! |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.09 05:45:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Is there any plans on removing this feature from the game CCP? KB players have significant advantage. You might as well give them cheat codes. Why have a movement speed and a sprint speed? You might as well have
Controller speed KB speed
That is exactly what it is. KB players use their sprint speed to strafe anyway. It's annoying to fight a Heavy that strafes back and forth at assault speed. Their HMG dishes out crazy dmg and with them being able to use their sprint speed to strafe makes it really hard to hit them while they are melting you. You can jump behind a controller heavy and pretty much use speed to shoot him in back where against a keyboard heavy they have unlimited turn speed because they are allowed to use their sprint speed as their movement speed.
I will be sending ticket about this problem as well. It has gotten to the point where I can pretty much point out a KB and controller player. KB players strafe a lot faster than they are supposed to. If this is working as intended why is there a move and strafe speed? It should just be renamed to KB and Controller speed.
I realize using sprint movement takes stamina but they still get a lot of time to sprint back and forth in strafe making them a lot harder to hit than you are moving at normal move speed.
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Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:44:00 -
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Bump |
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