DUST Search - Keyboard sprint strafe

Jathniel wrote:

Well, the double input problem HAS been fixed.

I've seen matches were some people simply seem to have overall faster movement.
I'd see two guys with seemingly the same suit, and one guy can strafe in wide circles VERY quickly, and generally just move VERY fast. Much faster than the other. I usually just chalk it up to lag, or server latency for that particular player.

With double input being fixed, and being a KB/M user myself, I can say that it is NOT a KB/M issue.
You can't strafe in a perfect circle using a kb. If you hold a target, you can only strafe a pattern of side-to-side, a square, or an octagon.

I CAN strafe and sprint at the same time, but only at an angle going FORWARD (so I can't move in a circle), and I can't shoot while I'm doing it. For example, I have to start sprinting first, then I can hit and hold A or D and change direction between the two, but this is intended and is not an exploit of any sort. The same thing can be done on DS3.

As for the fast Heavies, there is a 'speed heavy' build floating around that relies more on shields for defense, but it can only SPRINT fast. Roughly as fast as, or a pinch faster than an Assault suit. It's not actually going to STRAFE very fast.

It's possible to generate latency on yourself deliberately (to get an effect similar to the old-school "cord-pulling"), but the effect wouldn't be as dramatic... and you could risk simply hurting your own game in the process.

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Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 64	Posted - 2013.07.10 05:38:00 - [61] - Quote Xero The Mishima wrote: Bump
Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1792	Posted - 2013.07.10 08:19:00 - [62] - Quote i dont get what you're trying to point out here. KBM can straf sprint the same way a controller does. Meaning we can't strafe on a totally horizontal pattern. It just doesnt work. Just like controller, we first sprint forward and then add the strafe part...... we just CANNOT push left and sprint, it DOESNT work. Also, the double input strafe speed trick doesnt work either now. So maybe stop with kbm paranoia. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=93091&find=unread
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 68	Posted - 2013.07.10 17:29:00 - [63] - Quote Xero The Mishima wrote: Bump
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 160	Posted - 2013.07.10 21:48:00 - [64] - Quote you can do it with the DS3 too...
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 96	Posted - 2013.07.11 05:22:00 - [65] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: you can do it with the DS3 too... No you can't. KB can strafe left to right which makes a strafe better with KB gives KB user advantage.
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 96	Posted - 2013.07.14 06:11:00 - [66] - Quote This needs to be fixed.
XiBravo TeamPlayers EoN. 141	Posted - 2013.07.14 06:40:00 - [67] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: i dont get what you're trying to point out here. KBM can straf sprint the same way a controller does. Meaning we can't strafe on a totally horizontal pattern. It just doesnt work. Just like controller, we first sprint forward and then add the strafe part...... we just CANNOT push left and sprint, it DOESNT work. Also, the double input strafe speed trick doesnt work either now. So maybe stop with kbm paranoia. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=93091&find=unread ^this You cannot sprint left and right xero. Plug up a kb and try it.
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 127	Posted - 2013.07.14 22:32:00 - [68] - Quote XiBravo wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: i dont get what you're trying to point out here. KBM can straf sprint the same way a controller does. Meaning we can't strafe on a totally horizontal pattern. It just doesnt work. Just like controller, we first sprint forward and then add the strafe part...... we just CANNOT push left and sprint, it DOESNT work. Also, the double input strafe speed trick doesnt work either now. So maybe stop with kbm paranoia. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=93091&find=unread ^this You cannot sprint left and right xero. Plug up a kb and try it. They are doing something.. I know for a fact some players sprint faster than they are supposed to. You can CLEARLY see it plain as day when a heavy does it. For the other suits you have to train the eye to see it. If without the trained eye even a blind person can tell the heavy difference.
Miles O'Rourke Silver Talon Corporation 0	Posted - 2013.07.14 22:34:00 - [69] - Quote Xero The Mishima wrote: XiBravo wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: i dont get what you're trying to point out here. KBM can straf sprint the same way a controller does. Meaning we can't strafe on a totally horizontal pattern. It just doesnt work. Just like controller, we first sprint forward and then add the strafe part...... we just CANNOT push left and sprint, it DOESNT work. Also, the double input strafe speed trick doesnt work either now. So maybe stop with kbm paranoia. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=93091&find=unread ^this You cannot sprint left and right xero. Plug up a kb and try it. They are doing something.. I know for a fact some players sprint faster than they are supposed to. You can CLEARLY see it plain as day when a heavy does it. Probably using Kinetic Catalyzers
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 131	Posted - 2013.07.15 05:29:00 - [70] - Quote Miles O'Rourke wrote: Xero The Mishima wrote: XiBravo wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: i dont get what you're trying to point out here. KBM can straf sprint the same way a controller does. Meaning we can't strafe on a totally horizontal pattern. It just doesnt work. Just like controller, we first sprint forward and then add the strafe part...... we just CANNOT push left and sprint, it DOESNT work. Also, the double input strafe speed trick doesnt work either now. So maybe stop with kbm paranoia. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=93091&find=unread ^this You cannot sprint left and right xero. Plug up a kb and try it. They are doing something.. I know for a fact some players sprint faster than they are supposed to. You can CLEARLY see it plain as day when a heavy does it. Probably using Kinetic Catalyzers Catalyzers effect sprint speed NOT movement speed. They are somehow doing something though and yes I know the Catalyzers play a part because it ups their strafe speed because they are using sprint strafing.

XiBravo TeamPlayers EoN. 142	Posted - 2013.07.15 07:20:00 - [71] - Quote XiBravo wrote: Plug up a kb and try it.
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 133	Posted - 2013.07.15 08:59:00 - [72] - Quote XiBravo wrote: XiBravo wrote: Plug up a kb and try it. They are doing SOMETHING. Could be that mod that somebody showed in general discussion where they are tricking the PC it is a Controller and programming the "controller" up and down on left analog to actually left and right. They are doing SOMETHING I know they are so I will find your cheat Bravo and get it terminated!
Beld Errmon D3M3NT3D M1NDZ 727	Posted - 2013.07.15 11:07:00 - [73] - Quote I've been playing with the KB since it was supported and I can't strafe faster than anyone else, and recently I think they fixed the exploit were ppl could super strafe using the controller and kb at the same time (need to double check noticed it doesn't work in the merc quarters anymore) You should get a DVR or some setup for recording and document what you believe is cheating/exploiting then atleast it can be investigated.
XiBravo TeamPlayers EoN. 142	Posted - 2013.07.15 19:26:00 - [74] - Quote Xero The Mishima wrote: They are doing SOMETHING... They are doing SOMETHING I know they are... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Conspiracy%20Nut
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 664	Posted - 2013.07.16 00:03:00 - [75] - Quote Well, the double input problem HAS been fixed. I've seen matches were some people simply seem to have overall faster movement. I'd see two guys with seemingly the same suit, and one guy can strafe in wide circles VERY quickly, and generally just move VERY fast. Much faster than the other. I usually just chalk it up to lag, or server latency for that particular player. With double input being fixed, and being a KB/M user myself, I can say that it is NOT a KB/M issue. You can't strafe in a perfect circle using a kb. If you hold a target, you can only strafe a pattern of side-to-side, a square, or an octagon. I CAN strafe and sprint at the same time, but only at an angle going FORWARD (so I can't move in a circle), and I can't shoot while I'm doing it. For example, I have to start sprinting first, then I can hit and hold A or D and change direction between the two, but this is intended and is not an exploit of any sort. The same thing can be done on DS3. As for the fast Heavies, there is a 'speed heavy' build floating around that relies more on shields for defense, but it can only SPRINT fast. Roughly as fast as, or a pinch faster than an Assault suit. It's not actually going to STRAFE very fast. It's possible to generate latency on yourself deliberately (to get an effect similar to the old-school "cord-pulling"), but the effect wouldn't be as dramatic... and you could risk simply hurting your own game in the process.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 126	Posted - 2013.07.16 04:59:00 - [76] - Quote Xero The Mishima wrote: XiBravo wrote: XiBravo wrote: Plug up a kb and try it. They are doing SOMETHING. Could be that mod that somebody showed in general discussion where they are tricking the PC it is a Controller and programming the "controller" up and down on left analog to actually left and right. They are doing SOMETHING I know they are so I will find your cheat Bravo and get it terminated! Wait, so you're just making **** up and submitting tickets? I hear DS3 players can carry 4 AV grenades somehow. I swear I saw someone throw 4 AV nades in a row one time. And I use kb/m so I know its not us. I'm submitting a ticket and creating a thread now.
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 158	Posted - 2013.07.16 06:14:00 - [77] - Quote Nemo Bluntz wrote: Xero The Mishima wrote: XiBravo wrote: XiBravo wrote: Plug up a kb and try it. They are doing SOMETHING. Could be that mod that somebody showed in general discussion where they are tricking the PC it is a Controller and programming the "controller" up and down on left analog to actually left and right. They are doing SOMETHING I know they are so I will find your cheat Bravo and get it terminated! Wait, so you're just making **** up and submitting tickets? I hear DS3 players can carry 4 AV grenades somehow. I swear I saw someone throw 4 AV nades in a row one time. And I use kb/m so I know its not us. I'm submitting a ticket and creating a thread now. Go ahead there is noway to have extra grenades. There are these really extremely cool equipment thingies called 'Nanohives' I heard they replenish ammo and grenades. Do you even Dust bro? Also it's NOT made up because a lot of players I was able to predict they were KB players without even knowing. I know I was right because I asked and would be confirmed that yes they are indeed KB players. I have never had this problem with controller players and damn sure don't get to move around fast and dodge enemies bullets. Strafing in weird designs doesn't allow you to move faster than enemy. Perhaps you guys say you don't notice it because you are the ones moving fast and not the ones moving at slower speeds. KB/M users can also turn in extremely fast speed where you can literally run circles around controller users. In case you missed it the first time... Do you even Dust bro?
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 167	Posted - 2013.07.16 13:02:00 - [78] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Well, the double input problem HAS been fixed. I've seen matches were some people simply seem to have overall faster movement. I'd see two guys with seemingly the same suit, and one guy can strafe in wide circles VERY quickly, and generally just move VERY fast. Much faster than the other. I usually just chalk it up to lag, or server latency for that particular player. With double input being fixed, and being a KB/M user myself, I can say that it is NOT a KB/M issue. You can't strafe in a perfect circle using a kb. If you hold a target, you can only strafe a pattern of side-to-side, a square, or an octagon. I CAN strafe and sprint at the same time, but only at an angle going FORWARD (so I can't move in a circle), and I can't shoot while I'm doing it. For example, I have to start sprinting first, then I can hit and hold A or D and change direction between the two, but this is intended and is not an exploit of any sort. The same thing can be done on DS3. As for the fast Heavies, there is a 'speed heavy' build floating around that relies more on shields for defense, but it can only SPRINT fast. Roughly as fast as, or a pinch faster than an Assault suit. It's not actually going to STRAFE very fast. It's possible to generate latency on yourself deliberately (to get an effect similar to the old-school "cord-pulling"), but the effect wouldn't be as dramatic... and you could risk simply hurting your own game in the process. Ya, you can see it REAL good when Heavies are doing it. Like I said a controller heavy can strafe no doubt but they are still easily hit. Where when a KB Heavy does it they strafe at like scout speed. Even when you jump behind them they can turn around no problem.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers EoN. 846	Posted - 2013.07.16 13:05:00 - [79] - Quote so counter-productive here... Someone notices something out of the norm, they post it here which is what CCP will tell you to do... u submit a ticket.. they close it and tell you to post it here. and seriously, bickering in a tech support/bug thread is a little lame.. rather than defending your controller type take a step back and look. 1 side never uses DS3 so their KB/M is perfect. the other uses DS3 and never the KB/M be constructive people damn
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 169	Posted - 2013.07.16 21:20:00 - [80] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: so counter-productive here... Someone notices something out of the norm, they post it here which is what CCP will tell you to do... u submit a ticket.. they close it and tell you to post it here. and seriously, bickering in a tech support/bug thread is a little lame.. rather than defending your controller type take a step back and look. 1 side never uses DS3 so their KB/M is perfect. the other uses DS3 and never the KB/M be constructive people damn I'm trying! I am only trying to make both control settings THE SAME! None of this advantage crap.

ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 946	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:42:00 - [81] - Quote So you can sprint strafe in a 45 degree angle, while moving your mouse at the same time. Thus probably making it looks like we're sprint strafing circles around you. I've used sprint strafe to circle around a heavy as a speed shotgun to stay out of his HMG line of fire. However... lets clear this misconception up cause I've heard it quite a few times. You cannot fire while you sprint strafe... you are still sprinting. The stamina regen nerf has almost completely wrecked the ability to cycle between firing and strafing.. you run out of stamina in seconds trying to do that.
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 196	Posted - 2013.07.17 20:46:00 - [82] - Quote I am not 100% sure what they are doing just know KB can do it. They have faster movement.
Deluxe Edition TeamPlayers EoN. 570	Posted - 2013.07.18 02:55:00 - [83] - Quote at least you don't have to hit x to throw grenades.
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 77	Posted - 2013.07.18 08:29:00 - [84] - Quote Just realized what you might be talking about... By 45* sprinting to my right and using my aim to turn my view left, i can circle strafe a player to my left. It may look like im strafing sideway, i dont know. Ds3 users can do it too, though... Maybe its something that new fps players havent learned yet, hence the rarity of it. Either way, you have to drop out of sprint to shoot, which gives all but the fattest heavy enough time to put a bead on you. But if youre talking about side-strafing then i dont think anyone will understand without you posting a video...especially the devs.
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 210	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:49:00 - [85] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: Just realized what you might be talking about... By 45* sprinting to my right and using my aim to turn my view left, i can circle strafe a player to my left. It may look like im strafing sideway, i dont know. Ds3 users can do it too, though... Maybe its something that new fps players havent learned yet, hence the rarity of it. Either way, you have to drop out of sprint to shoot, which gives all but the fattest heavy enough time to put a bead on you. But if youre talking about side-strafing then i dont think anyone will understand without you posting a video...especially the devs. Well at least we identified the problem. Thank you.
XeroTheBigBoss TeamPlayers EoN. 745	Posted - 2013.08.01 18:36:00 - [86] - Quote Back to the argument! I was starting to doubt myself that maybe I was dreaming just maybe I didn't really know what I was talking about. A few respectable players have come out and told me themselves they are able to sprint strafe with KB/M. This CCP is unacceptable. Unless my aim assist literally locks onto KB/M users and I don't have to press anything but the shoot button I don't think this is right to have KB/M users the ability to strafe with their sprint speed. You might as well get rid of movement and sprint speed altogether and just make one speed for everything. This is getting out of hand and is getting lame playing guys that have a huge gun fight advantage over me. I don't even wanna hear about the lame grenade whining cause this isn't the post for that. STAY ON TOPIC! CCP! Sprint Strafe! KB/M! Fix! GO!
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 485	Posted - 2013.08.01 18:41:00 - [87] - Quote I recall doing this in Goldeneye 64. Except you should shoot while doing it.
XeroTheBigBoss TeamPlayers EoN. 745	Posted - 2013.08.01 18:46:00 - [88] - Quote I don't think they can shoot while doing it but what they do is use this method you make you run out of bullets. It gives them the advantage because they are harder to hit by 2x than you are. They can stop reg sprint to shoot after you have wasted some bullets out your clip.
XeroTheBigBoss TeamPlayers EoN. 748	Posted - 2013.08.02 08:22:00 - [89] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Is there any plans on removing this feature from the game CCP? KB players have significant advantage. You might as well give them cheat codes. Why have a movement speed and a sprint speed? You might as well have Controller speed KB speed That is exactly what it is. KB players use their sprint speed to strafe anyway. It's annoying to fight a Heavy that strafes back and forth at assault speed. Their HMG dishes out crazy dmg and with them being able to use their sprint speed to strafe makes it really hard to hit them while they are melting you. You can jump behind a controller heavy and pretty much use speed to shoot him in back where against a keyboard heavy they have unlimited turn speed because they are allowed to use their sprint speed as their movement speed. I will be sending ticket about this problem as well. It has gotten to the point where I can pretty much point out a KB and controller player. KB players strafe a lot faster than they are supposed to. If this is working as intended why is there a move and strafe speed? It should just be renamed to KB and Controller speed. I realize using sprint movement takes stamina but they still get a lot of time to sprint back and forth in strafe making them a lot harder to hit than you are moving at normal move speed.
Spectral Clone The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 168	Posted - 2013.08.02 08:36:00 - [90] - Quote I think this is fixed. I cannot sprint and strafe.



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