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XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.06.21 10:40:00 -
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Is there any plans on removing this feature from the game CCP? KB players have significant advantage. You might as well give them cheat codes. Why have a movement speed and a sprint speed? You might as well have
Controller speed KB speed
That is exactly what it is. KB players use their sprint speed to strafe anyway. It's annoying to fight a Heavy that strafes back and forth at assault speed. Their HMG dishes out crazy dmg and with them being able to use their sprint speed to strafe makes it really hard to hit them while they are melting you. You can jump behind a controller heavy and pretty much use speed to shoot him in back where against a keyboard heavy they have unlimited turn speed because they are allowed to use their sprint speed as their movement speed.
I will be sending ticket about this problem as well. It has gotten to the point where I can pretty much point out a KB and controller player. KB players strafe a lot faster than they are supposed to. If this is working as intended why is there a move and strafe speed? It should just be renamed to KB and Controller speed.
I realize using sprint movement takes stamina but they still get a lot of time to sprint back and forth in strafe making them a lot harder to hit than you are moving at normal move speed. |
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Posted - 2013.06.21 11:41:00 -
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Deranged Disaster wrote:Click your L3 in and move. You can do the same thing. Wonderful, right?
Actually it doesn't work side to side. |
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Posted - 2013.06.21 14:18:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Yes it doesn't work side to side nor can you move at sprint speed in any direction while adsing and fire and this glitch allows them to do this. KB/MOUSE is already significantly more accurate when it comes to precision with aiming this added advantage is just stupid. Mouse will always be more accurate, give us DUAL SHOCK 3 users a break. Sometimes it feels like Halo 1 PC all over again. Though I suppose ultimately we all have the ability to use a KB, while that is the solution and equalizer I like my controller.
I play CONSOLE shooters for a reason. I like to use my CONTROLLER in a PS3 CONSOLE shooter. I should not have to go against guys using a exploit that KB users get to enjoy. |
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:53:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Ps3 supports kbm.
QQ more.
Having said that, ds3 players should be able to sprint strafe as well. I understood this was working, perhaps some additional ds3 players can chime in about whether it works or not. For the record, kbm users do not have the directional freedom that ds3 users do. Kbm users can only move in 8 directions, and only 2 speeds - run or sprint.
Don't need directional strafe you have left to right strafe. Get good. |
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Posted - 2013.06.22 09:13:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Get a mouse and keyboard. If you play against a KB/M user with a controller, you only have yourself to blame when you lose.
It's like bringing a sword to a gunfight.
That makes absolutely no sense at all. This is a console shooter and consoles use console controllers. This is one the few games that allow keyboard and mouse. So please silence before saying something ignorant in future. |
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Posted - 2013.06.22 19:34:00 -
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cr0ps wrote:Lol, the keyboard controls are so ****** up, you really have no idea. The PS3 supports kbm and so will every console in the future, get over it. You should just start learning to use the mouse cause you will get smoked by it every time. The PC will support that pos DS3 controller but nobody uses it for a reason.
edit: there is an issue with severe input lag from the mouse so you are at an extreme advantage right now. youll have even more to qq about once they fix that.
It's not the MOUSE that allows them to move faster, WOW! Again please silence if you don't even know what you are talking about. Get good. |
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Posted - 2013.06.22 19:35:00 -
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Wakko03 wrote:And I suppose none of you KB&m users wanted them to fix the unlimited running glitch in the previous build in the first place, as that was fair.
IF the controls are not equal, then that is a design flaw or do you really not want players to be able to run while they fire their gun using a controller, too? ---< If yes than you deserve to only play in matches where the entire teams are made up KB&m users only otherwise give everyone the ability to run while firing.
I agree if CCP gonna keep KB/M superior than have them play with only other KB/M users. |
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Posted - 2013.06.24 04:41:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Wakko03 wrote: IF you buy a racing wheel that allows you to do something a controller can't do, then who exactly is the lazy person here (ccp or the console player using the default controller for the console)? Oh and FYI as a former MOVE user I can say that not even the NAVI controller can run and fire the gun at the same time, the minute you go to hip fire or ADS you immediately stop running.... if you try to run again it removes you from the ADS and will not let you fire when you try to run and hipfire at that point.
OF course the KB&m division would be up in arms if CCP/ Sony let the move users have a true 1:1 ratio and I just had to flick my sharpshooter near the screen in order to light up my enemy.... FYI my Sharpshooter Gun had a laser pointer on it.
Halo has a point and a story along with an ok-ish movie.... which is more than this game has now, and no KB&m gimmick can save it
Err... no these keyboard users are mostly the people who play EVE and don't want to change their controllers due to habit... All that they do is unplug them from their computer and plug it into their PS3... Yet you act as if that is some kind of intellectually challenging feat... Trying to defend differences in gameplay just makes you sound like you're busy exploiting the difference and don't want to loose your "edge". Which in sports and other venues is considered cheating. This issue has absolutely nothing to do with the way that the controller is presented, and has everything to do with the interaction thereof. Just as buying a steering wheel for a racing game does not give you a magical "speed booster" button, the keyboard should not have advantages over other methods of input. If there is a difference it is the fault of the programmers and must be rectified if it is to survive. (currently this game is rated 6 out of 10 on many sites, and that rating is only that high because of the prestige of EVE is behind it...)
Thank you, these guys are attacking me because I am trying to put their exploit out there. Perhaps get good at the game with legit tactics. |
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Posted - 2013.06.24 19:58:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Syther Shadows wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Get a mouse and keyboard. If you play against a KB/M user with a controller, you only have yourself to blame when you lose.
It's like bringing a sword to a gunfight. only the requirement only said sword or below i did not realize i needed a KBM to be competitive You want to do a duel and see which of us has the 'edge'?
Get a territory for a day or so. I would love to. |
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Posted - 2013.06.25 06:27:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Syther Shadows wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Get a mouse and keyboard. If you play against a KB/M user with a controller, you only have yourself to blame when you lose.
It's like bringing a sword to a gunfight. only the requirement only said sword or below i did not realize i needed a KBM to be competitive You want to do a duel and see which of us has the 'edge'? Get a territory for a day or so. I would love to. Add me as a contact and hop into MSF Pub, we can chat there.
I will talk to Cubs about trying to set something up. You guys could attack us once somewhere. |
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Posted - 2013.06.25 17:27:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:I haven't come across this bug unless you mean the one where if a person strafes with the controller and the keyboard at the same time they basically sprint strafe, that needs to be fixed asap because technically minded ppl with the right equipment could make a mod where they just have to press 1 key to get the same effect.
as for this take away kb/m nonsense lol, suck a long one it isn't gunna happen and if you don't like it well uninstall, c u next tuesday.
I am talking about if you use a keyboard you can literally run while going left to right. You can always tell a keyboard player specially when they are heavy they are crazy noticeable because they move back and forth faster than normal heavies. This is because controller heavies are strafing with movement speed and keyboard heavies strafe with sprint speed. Same for Assaults or Logis they strafe crazy fast back and forth. You can clearly see it. |
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Posted - 2013.06.26 06:35:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Exploit...? Ok, are you calling the 'sprint strafe' thing a nexploit, or KB/M an exploit?
As it is, I see no reason why controller users can't have this ability as well, but then, I 'sprint strafe' all the time in other games.
High speed strafing is an exploit that can cause bullets to miss when they would have otherwise hit. Controller users cannot do this because the joystick as it moves around forces the character to slow down and speed up depending on how far from the center it currently stands. Keboard users do not have this middle zone in the least, so they can spasm left and right at maximum speed, causing a "latency ghost" that is in effect invulnerable to bullet fire at certain times. You can still hit them, but not for the full duration of the motion such as a Joystick user can be hit. If they were to implement a kind of "inertia" for keyboard users to mimic the bare minimum that a Joystick user has, then it wouldn't be so much of a problem.
Which is why there is TWO movement speeds. Sprint speed and Movement speed. Keyboard users get to exploit by using the SPRINT speed as their STRAFE speed where controller user can only use MOVEMENT speed to STRAFE.
Creating unbalance in the game. Games are supposed to be balance not offer a clear cut advantage by using hardware. I know that's how the PC world works but not Console gaming. Every body as far as hardware is supposed to be on the same level. If others vote to use CASH in a F2P game obviously they are supposed to have small advantages. Using Keyboard however is a huge advantage and we are used to using controllers in our console games should not be punished so EVE players or PC players can remain happy with their much needed Sprint strafe advantage. |
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Posted - 2013.06.27 06:25:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Ps3 supports kbm.
QQ more.
Having said that, ds3 players should be able to sprint strafe as well. I understood this was working, perhaps some additional ds3 players can chime in about whether it works or not. For the record, kbm users do not have the directional freedom that ds3 users do. Kbm users can only move in 8 directions, and only 2 speeds - run or sprint. Don't need directional strafe you have left to right strafe. Get good. I'm guessing you can't read. Otherwise I have no idea how you missed the entire point of such a short post. Maybe you should get good at comprehension.
I don't even think you know what you are typing... Sprint and Run is the exact same thing. |
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Posted - 2013.06.27 20:53:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Ps3 supports kbm.
QQ more.
Having said that, ds3 players should be able to sprint strafe as well. I understood this was working, perhaps some additional ds3 players can chime in about whether it works or not. For the record, kbm users do not have the directional freedom that ds3 users do. Kbm users can only move in 8 directions, and only 2 speeds - run or sprint. Don't need directional strafe you have left to right strafe. Get good. I'm guessing you can't read. Otherwise I have no idea how you missed the entire point of such a short post. Maybe you should get good at comprehension. I don't even think you know what you are typing... Sprint and Run is the exact same thing. Lol no, unless of course normal speed is walk - which it obviously isn't.
This topic is getting way off track. I am putting a end to this. BACK ON TOPIC. If you are just gonna come in here and talk about other junk that is pointless don't bother posting. |
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Posted - 2013.06.27 20:54:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Is there any plans on removing this feature from the game CCP? KB players have significant advantage. You might as well give them cheat codes. Why have a movement speed and a sprint speed? You might as well have
Controller speed KB speed
That is exactly what it is. KB players use their sprint speed to strafe anyway. It's annoying to fight a Heavy that strafes back and forth at assault speed. Their HMG dishes out crazy dmg and with them being able to use their sprint speed to strafe makes it really hard to hit them while they are melting you. You can jump behind a controller heavy and pretty much use speed to shoot him in back where against a keyboard heavy they have unlimited turn speed because they are allowed to use their sprint speed as their movement speed.
I will be sending ticket about this problem as well. It has gotten to the point where I can pretty much point out a KB and controller player. KB players strafe a lot faster than they are supposed to. If this is working as intended why is there a move and strafe speed? It should just be renamed to KB and Controller speed.
I realize using sprint movement takes stamina but they still get a lot of time to sprint back and forth in strafe making them a lot harder to hit than you are moving at normal move speed.
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XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.06.27 21:14:00 -
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Doesn't change the fact that in gun fights you guys can use your sprint speed to go left to right when controllers are stuck on movement speed only. I am not saying scrap Keyboards. I am simply saying the FACT that they get to sprint strafe is unbalanced and should not be available to EITHER hardware. Not my fault you depend on a exploit.
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Posted - 2013.06.27 21:50:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:
Doesn't change the fact that in gun fights you guys can use your sprint speed to go left to right when controllers are stuck on movement speed only. I am not saying scrap Keyboards. I am simply saying the FACT that they get to sprint strafe is unbalanced and should not be available to EITHER hardware. Not my fault you depend on a exploit.
Calling something that works correctly, assuming it does (see previous post) an exploit is a bit biased. I could just as easily say it's not my problem that you insist on using a defective control system.
The previous post clearly doesn't know where the strafe button is or is protecting his exploit. Yes KB is superior control system BUT CCP has the power to fix it and bring it down to Controller standards so it's BALANCED. I know this concept may scare you cause than you would no longer have your advantage but balance is the key to success in any game based on Multi player. |
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Posted - 2013.06.28 04:03:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:I understand the problem that the OP is referring to.
As a KB/M user I can confirm however, that KB DOES NOT strafe faster than DS3.
BUT...!
Strafing speeds actually STACK between BOTH inputs. Yes, strafing on both keyboard and DS3 at the same time, actually doubles your strafe speed.
Holding W on keyboard, and holding Left on DS3 joystick makes you move faster than just using either input alone (the same is true for D and Right, respectively).
Apparently, a minority of multi-limbed, multi-talented people have somehow figured out how to stack strafing commands from both inputs in the heat of combat... and that results in the unusual exploit strafe speed that we all end up seeing.
That said, it's not a problem with KBs themselves.
I am not saying KB moves faster than Controller sprint wise. I am saying that KB users can SPRINT while they are STRAFING right to left. Is what I am saying. As far as the "We can't cook nades" arguement that is why they put in explosion on contact nades. Stop acting like grenades are off the market for you guys.
EDIT- As far as me "needing" a advantage over KB players, LOL! Is the only reply I am gonna give that statement. I want BALANCE. Make it so KB players can cook grenades by holding the grenade button. Make it where KB users can't Sprint while they are moving left to right. |
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Posted - 2013.06.28 05:01:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Jathniel wrote: Apparently, a minority of multi-limbed, multi-talented people have somehow figured out how to stack strafing commands from both inputs in the heat of combat... and that results in the unusual exploit strafe speed that we all end up seeing.
That said, it's not a problem with KBs themselves.
I think its worse than that, I was discussing this with my partner recently and we reckon its possible to plug our G13 gaming board thingie into the ps3 (i dunno what its called mini keyboard for playing MMOs like wow and rift) and program it to press keyboard and controller buttons at the same time, so its probably possible for ppl to exploit this super strafe quite easily, I'll try it out later and see if it works, cause i swear some ppl are playing with double strafe speed. even if you couldn't do it this easily theres nothing to stop someone with some electronics knowledge from rewiring their keyboard and controller together. As for the KB/m vs controller arguement... the top players in the game are controller users, I know for sure 13ear and regnum are.
Exactly! Like I said you have to really be looking for it but once you train yourself you can EASILY spot it out. EVERYBODY should have same strafe speed. (When I say everybody I mean All Scouts the same All Assaults the same All logi the same All Heavy the same) It shouldn't be certain players have different strafe speed. Once you train your eyes how to look for it you can spot it pretty easily.
EDIT- Regnyum says he uses KB/M when Cubs (I think) asked him. He said he uses both but normally uses kb/m but the shooting mechanics are broke right now (which they are) so he's been using a little controller but he's kb/m |
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Posted - 2013.06.28 21:45:00 -
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BUMP for GMs |
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Posted - 2013.06.30 07:08:00 -
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The legend345 wrote:pssttt hey.. im gonna let you in on a secret (DONT TELL ANYONE). Mouse aiming is broken af. Seriously its terrible. I prefer mouse over controller and im twice as good with a controller this build. Also next gen mouse and keyboard Is rumored to be supported on all games.
Even so the game should be BALANCED. Fix whatever it is that makes mouse aiming suck. It's not perfect for controller either BTW. |
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Posted - 2013.07.01 19:42:00 -
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Bump for devs |
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:01:00 -
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BUMP 4 Devs |
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:36:00 -
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Back to the argument!
I was starting to doubt myself that maybe I was dreaming just maybe I didn't really know what I was talking about. A few respectable players have come out and told me themselves they are able to sprint strafe with KB/M. This CCP is unacceptable. Unless my aim assist literally locks onto KB/M users and I don't have to press anything but the shoot button I don't think this is right to have KB/M users the ability to strafe with their sprint speed.
You might as well get rid of movement and sprint speed altogether and just make one speed for everything. This is getting out of hand and is getting lame playing guys that have a huge gun fight advantage over me. I don't even wanna hear about the lame grenade whining cause this isn't the post for that. STAY ON TOPIC!
CCP! Sprint Strafe! KB/M! Fix! GO! |
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:46:00 -
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I don't think they can shoot while doing it but what they do is use this method you make you run out of bullets. It gives them the advantage because they are harder to hit by 2x than you are. They can stop reg sprint to shoot after you have wasted some bullets out your clip. |
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Posted - 2013.08.02 08:22:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Is there any plans on removing this feature from the game CCP? KB players have significant advantage. You might as well give them cheat codes. Why have a movement speed and a sprint speed? You might as well have
Controller speed KB speed
That is exactly what it is. KB players use their sprint speed to strafe anyway. It's annoying to fight a Heavy that strafes back and forth at assault speed. Their HMG dishes out crazy dmg and with them being able to use their sprint speed to strafe makes it really hard to hit them while they are melting you. You can jump behind a controller heavy and pretty much use speed to shoot him in back where against a keyboard heavy they have unlimited turn speed because they are allowed to use their sprint speed as their movement speed.
I will be sending ticket about this problem as well. It has gotten to the point where I can pretty much point out a KB and controller player. KB players strafe a lot faster than they are supposed to. If this is working as intended why is there a move and strafe speed? It should just be renamed to KB and Controller speed.
I realize using sprint movement takes stamina but they still get a lot of time to sprint back and forth in strafe making them a lot harder to hit than you are moving at normal move speed.
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Posted - 2013.08.02 08:58:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:I think this is fixed. I cannot sprint and strafe.
You just don't know how to do it. You can still do it. |
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Posted - 2013.08.03 02:03:00 -
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FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:Orion Vahid wrote:I'm a Heavy who uses KB/M and no, I don't strafe with sprint speed. I have tried it multiple times and used DS3 to see the difference only to find that it was the same speed. Confirmed you can't do it. Really sad thread nerf the keyboard and mouse user? Lmfao pathetic. What's next nerf wireless vs wired? Nerf big screen tv vs small?
Who are you?
Anyways back on topic yes you can do it I have corpmates who can do it. |
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