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XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
533
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Posted - 2013.06.21 10:40:00 -
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Is there any plans on removing this feature from the game CCP? KB players have significant advantage. You might as well give them cheat codes. Why have a movement speed and a sprint speed? You might as well have
Controller speed KB speed
That is exactly what it is. KB players use their sprint speed to strafe anyway. It's annoying to fight a Heavy that strafes back and forth at assault speed. Their HMG dishes out crazy dmg and with them being able to use their sprint speed to strafe makes it really hard to hit them while they are melting you. You can jump behind a controller heavy and pretty much use speed to shoot him in back where against a keyboard heavy they have unlimited turn speed because they are allowed to use their sprint speed as their movement speed.
I will be sending ticket about this problem as well. It has gotten to the point where I can pretty much point out a KB and controller player. KB players strafe a lot faster than they are supposed to. If this is working as intended why is there a move and strafe speed? It should just be renamed to KB and Controller speed.
I realize using sprint movement takes stamina but they still get a lot of time to sprint back and forth in strafe making them a lot harder to hit than you are moving at normal move speed. |
Deranged Disaster
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
227
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Posted - 2013.06.21 11:23:00 -
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Click your L3 in and move. You can do the same thing. Wonderful, right? |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
533
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Posted - 2013.06.21 11:41:00 -
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Deranged Disaster wrote:Click your L3 in and move. You can do the same thing. Wonderful, right?
Actually it doesn't work side to side. |
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
TYRANNY of EVIL MEN
7
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Posted - 2013.06.21 14:17:00 -
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Yes it doesn't work side to side nor can you move at sprint speed in any direction while adsing and fire and this glitch allows them to do this. KB/MOUSE is already significantly more accurate when it comes to precision with aiming this added advantage is just stupid. Mouse will always be more accurate, give us DUAL SHOCK 3 users a break. Sometimes it feels like Halo 1 PC all over again. Though I suppose ultimately we all have the ability to use a KB, while that is the solution and equalizer I like my controller. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
535
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Posted - 2013.06.21 14:18:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Yes it doesn't work side to side nor can you move at sprint speed in any direction while adsing and fire and this glitch allows them to do this. KB/MOUSE is already significantly more accurate when it comes to precision with aiming this added advantage is just stupid. Mouse will always be more accurate, give us DUAL SHOCK 3 users a break. Sometimes it feels like Halo 1 PC all over again. Though I suppose ultimately we all have the ability to use a KB, while that is the solution and equalizer I like my controller.
I play CONSOLE shooters for a reason. I like to use my CONTROLLER in a PS3 CONSOLE shooter. I should not have to go against guys using a exploit that KB users get to enjoy. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
744
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:12:00 -
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Ps3 supports kbm.
QQ more.
Having said that, ds3 players should be able to sprint strafe as well. I understood this was working, perhaps some additional ds3 players can chime in about whether it works or not. For the record, kbm users do not have the directional freedom that ds3 users do. Kbm users can only move in 8 directions, and only 2 speeds - run or sprint. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
538
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:53:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Ps3 supports kbm.
QQ more.
Having said that, ds3 players should be able to sprint strafe as well. I understood this was working, perhaps some additional ds3 players can chime in about whether it works or not. For the record, kbm users do not have the directional freedom that ds3 users do. Kbm users can only move in 8 directions, and only 2 speeds - run or sprint.
Don't need directional strafe you have left to right strafe. Get good. |
Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
202
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Posted - 2013.06.21 19:13:00 -
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Get a mouse and keyboard. If you play against a KB/M user with a controller, you only have yourself to blame when you lose.
It's like bringing a sword to a gunfight. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
541
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Posted - 2013.06.22 09:13:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Get a mouse and keyboard. If you play against a KB/M user with a controller, you only have yourself to blame when you lose.
It's like bringing a sword to a gunfight.
That makes absolutely no sense at all. This is a console shooter and consoles use console controllers. This is one the few games that allow keyboard and mouse. So please silence before saying something ignorant in future. |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
47
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Posted - 2013.06.22 10:16:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Is there any plans on removing this feature from the game CCP? KB players have significant advantage. You might as well give them cheat codes. Why have a movement speed and a sprint speed? You might as well have
Controller speed KB speed
That is exactly what it is. KB players use their sprint speed to strafe anyway. It's annoying to fight a Heavy that strafes back and forth at assault speed. Their HMG dishes out crazy dmg and with them being able to use their sprint speed to strafe makes it really hard to hit them while they are melting you. You can jump behind a controller heavy and pretty much use speed to shoot him in back where against a keyboard heavy they have unlimited turn speed because they are allowed to use their sprint speed as their movement speed.
I will be sending ticket about this problem as well. It has gotten to the point where I can pretty much point out a KB and controller player. KB players strafe a lot faster than they are supposed to. If this is working as intended why is there a move and strafe speed? It should just be renamed to KB and Controller speed.
I realize using sprint movement takes stamina but they still get a lot of time to sprint back and forth in strafe making them a lot harder to hit than you are moving at normal move speed.
there are far more disadvantages to KB over controller.maybe we should petition for controls to be nerfed inline with KB's
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cr0ps
0uter.Heaven League of Infamy
6
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Posted - 2013.06.22 12:11:00 -
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Lol, the keyboard controls are so ****** up, you really have no idea. The PS3 supports kbm and so will every console in the future, get over it. You should just start learning to use the mouse cause you will get smoked by it every time. The PC will support that pos DS3 controller but nobody uses it for a reason.
edit: there is an issue with severe lag with the input from the mouse so you are at an extreme advantage right now. youll have even more to qq about once they fix that. |
Orion Vahid
DUST University Ivy League
27
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Posted - 2013.06.22 13:41:00 -
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Where is my vial to collect all the tears? |
Wakko03
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
213
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Posted - 2013.06.22 19:25:00 -
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And I suppose none of you KB&m users wanted them to fix the unlimited running glitch in the previous build in the first place, as that was fair.
IF the controls are not equal, then that is a design flaw or do you really not want players to be able to run while they fire their gun using a controller, too? ---< If yes than you deserve to only play in matches where the entire teams are made up KB&m users only otherwise give everyone the ability to run while firing. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
541
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Posted - 2013.06.22 19:34:00 -
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cr0ps wrote:Lol, the keyboard controls are so ****** up, you really have no idea. The PS3 supports kbm and so will every console in the future, get over it. You should just start learning to use the mouse cause you will get smoked by it every time. The PC will support that pos DS3 controller but nobody uses it for a reason.
edit: there is an issue with severe input lag from the mouse so you are at an extreme advantage right now. youll have even more to qq about once they fix that.
It's not the MOUSE that allows them to move faster, WOW! Again please silence if you don't even know what you are talking about. Get good. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
541
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Posted - 2013.06.22 19:35:00 -
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Wakko03 wrote:And I suppose none of you KB&m users wanted them to fix the unlimited running glitch in the previous build in the first place, as that was fair.
IF the controls are not equal, then that is a design flaw or do you really not want players to be able to run while they fire their gun using a controller, too? ---< If yes than you deserve to only play in matches where the entire teams are made up KB&m users only otherwise give everyone the ability to run while firing.
I agree if CCP gonna keep KB/M superior than have them play with only other KB/M users. |
Orion Vahid
DUST University Ivy League
28
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Posted - 2013.06.23 13:46:00 -
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Wakko03 wrote:And I suppose none of you KB&m users wanted them to fix the unlimited running glitch in the previous build in the first place, as that was fair.
IF the controls are not equal, then that is a design flaw or do you really not want players to be able to run while they fire their gun using a controller, too? ---< If yes than you deserve to only play in matches where the entire teams are made up KB&m users only otherwise give everyone the ability to run while firing. I don't understand, KB/M right now = virtual joystick. It's technically no different than a DS3. |
Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
205
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Posted - 2013.06.23 14:42:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Get a mouse and keyboard. If you play against a KB/M user with a controller, you only have yourself to blame when you lose.
It's like bringing a sword to a gunfight. That makes absolutely no sense at all. This is a console shooter and consoles use console controllers. This is one the few games that allow keyboard and mouse. So please silence before saying something ignorant in future.
So if I buy a racing wheel and play on Forza or something else with it, I should be punished for using the right kind of control method over the rest of the lazy bastards who can't be bothered to get one to be competitive?
Awesome logic there. I use the input device that is obviously better for a genre, and I get punished for it because controller users hate getting off their couch against competitive players.
This is not a casual game like Halo. If you want it to be, then go ahead and strip out the KB/M controls so I can move on to a game that will take FPS gaming seriously. |
cr0ps
0uter.Heaven League of Infamy
8
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Posted - 2013.06.23 18:22:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:cr0ps wrote:Lol, the keyboard controls are so ****** up, you really have no idea. The PS3 supports kbm and so will every console in the future, get over it. You should just start learning to use the mouse cause you will get smoked by it every time. The PC will support that pos DS3 controller but nobody uses it for a reason.
edit: there is an issue with severe input lag from the mouse so you are at an extreme advantage right now. youll have even more to qq about once they fix that. It's not the MOUSE that allows them to move faster, WOW! Again please silence if you don't even know what you are talking about. Get good.
I didn't say anything about that bug. Your OP is right but then you went off topic:
XeroTheBigBoss wrote:That makes absolutely no sense at all. This is a console shooter and consoles use console controllers. This is one the few games that allow keyboard and mouse. So please silence before saying something ignorant in future.
^thats what i was commenting on.
and your responses are so predictable i love it |
Girltoi
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.06.23 18:30:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Is there any plans on removing this feature from the game CCP? KB players have significant advantage. You might as well give them cheat codes. Why have a movement speed and a sprint speed? You might as well have
Controller speed KB speed
That is exactly what it is. KB players use their sprint speed to strafe anyway. It's annoying to fight a Heavy that strafes back and forth at assault speed. Their HMG dishes out crazy dmg and with them being able to use their sprint speed to strafe makes it really hard to hit them while they are melting you. You can jump behind a controller heavy and pretty much use speed to shoot him in back where against a keyboard heavy they have unlimited turn speed because they are allowed to use their sprint speed as their movement speed.
I will be sending ticket about this problem as well. It has gotten to the point where I can pretty much point out a KB and controller player. KB players strafe a lot faster than they are supposed to. If this is working as intended why is there a move and strafe speed? It should just be renamed to KB and Controller speed.
I realize using sprint movement takes stamina but they still get a lot of time to sprint back and forth in strafe making them a lot harder to hit than you are moving at normal move speed.
you dont know what you are talking about...
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Wakko03
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
216
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Posted - 2013.06.23 20:24:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Get a mouse and keyboard. If you play against a KB/M user with a controller, you only have yourself to blame when you lose.
It's like bringing a sword to a gunfight. That makes absolutely no sense at all. This is a console shooter and consoles use console controllers. This is one the few games that allow keyboard and mouse. So please silence before saying something ignorant in future. So if I buy a racing wheel and play on Forza or something else with it, I should be punished for using the right kind of control method over the rest of the lazy bastards who can't be bothered to get one to be competitive? Awesome logic there. I use the input device that is obviously better for a genre, and I get punished for it because controller users hate getting off their couch against competitive players. This is not a casual game like Halo. If you want it to be, then go ahead and strip out the KB/M controls so I can move on to a game that will take FPS gaming seriously.
IF you buy a racing wheel that allows you to do something a controller can't do, then who exactly is the lazy person here (ccp or the console player using the default controller for the console)? Oh and FYI as a former MOVE user I can say that not even the NAVI controller can run and fire the gun at the same time, the minute you go to hip fire or ADS you immediately stop running.... if you try to run again it removes you from the ADS and will not let you fire when you try to run and hipfire at that point.
OF course the KB&m division would be up in arms if CCP/ Sony let the move users have a true 1:1 ratio and I just had to flick my sharpshooter near the screen in order to light up my enemy.... FYI my Sharpshooter Gun had a laser pointer on it.
Halo has a point and a story along with an ok-ish movie.... which is more than this game has now, and no KB&m gimmick can save it |
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.24 01:27:00 -
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Wakko03 wrote: IF you buy a racing wheel that allows you to do something a controller can't do, then who exactly is the lazy person here (ccp or the console player using the default controller for the console)? Oh and FYI as a former MOVE user I can say that not even the NAVI controller can run and fire the gun at the same time, the minute you go to hip fire or ADS you immediately stop running.... if you try to run again it removes you from the ADS and will not let you fire when you try to run and hipfire at that point.
OF course the KB&m division would be up in arms if CCP/ Sony let the move users have a true 1:1 ratio and I just had to flick my sharpshooter near the screen in order to light up my enemy.... FYI my Sharpshooter Gun had a laser pointer on it.
Halo has a point and a story along with an ok-ish movie.... which is more than this game has now, and no KB&m gimmick can save it
Err... no these keyboard users are mostly the people who play EVE and don't want to change their controllers due to habit... All that they do is unplug them from their computer and plug it into their PS3... Yet you act as if that is some kind of intellectually challenging feat...
Trying to defend differences in gameplay just makes you sound like you're busy exploiting the difference and don't want to loose your "edge". Which in sports and other venues is considered cheating. This issue has absolutely nothing to do with the way that the controller is presented, and has everything to do with the interaction thereof.
Just as buying a steering wheel for a racing game does not give you a magical "speed booster" button, the keyboard should not have advantages over other methods of input.
If there is a difference it is the fault of the programmers and must be rectified if it is to survive. (currently this game is rated 6 out of 10 on many sites, and that rating is only that high because of the prestige of EVE is behind it...) |
PlanetsideTwoBomber
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.24 02:17:00 -
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Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this.........
Planetside 2
Coming to PS4 this year
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XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
563
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Posted - 2013.06.24 04:41:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Wakko03 wrote: IF you buy a racing wheel that allows you to do something a controller can't do, then who exactly is the lazy person here (ccp or the console player using the default controller for the console)? Oh and FYI as a former MOVE user I can say that not even the NAVI controller can run and fire the gun at the same time, the minute you go to hip fire or ADS you immediately stop running.... if you try to run again it removes you from the ADS and will not let you fire when you try to run and hipfire at that point.
OF course the KB&m division would be up in arms if CCP/ Sony let the move users have a true 1:1 ratio and I just had to flick my sharpshooter near the screen in order to light up my enemy.... FYI my Sharpshooter Gun had a laser pointer on it.
Halo has a point and a story along with an ok-ish movie.... which is more than this game has now, and no KB&m gimmick can save it
Err... no these keyboard users are mostly the people who play EVE and don't want to change their controllers due to habit... All that they do is unplug them from their computer and plug it into their PS3... Yet you act as if that is some kind of intellectually challenging feat... Trying to defend differences in gameplay just makes you sound like you're busy exploiting the difference and don't want to loose your "edge". Which in sports and other venues is considered cheating. This issue has absolutely nothing to do with the way that the controller is presented, and has everything to do with the interaction thereof. Just as buying a steering wheel for a racing game does not give you a magical "speed booster" button, the keyboard should not have advantages over other methods of input. If there is a difference it is the fault of the programmers and must be rectified if it is to survive. (currently this game is rated 6 out of 10 on many sites, and that rating is only that high because of the prestige of EVE is behind it...)
Thank you, these guys are attacking me because I am trying to put their exploit out there. Perhaps get good at the game with legit tactics. |
Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
205
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Posted - 2013.06.24 11:25:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Wakko03 wrote: IF you buy a racing wheel that allows you to do something a controller can't do, then who exactly is the lazy person here (ccp or the console player using the default controller for the console)? Oh and FYI as a former MOVE user I can say that not even the NAVI controller can run and fire the gun at the same time, the minute you go to hip fire or ADS you immediately stop running.... if you try to run again it removes you from the ADS and will not let you fire when you try to run and hipfire at that point.
OF course the KB&m division would be up in arms if CCP/ Sony let the move users have a true 1:1 ratio and I just had to flick my sharpshooter near the screen in order to light up my enemy.... FYI my Sharpshooter Gun had a laser pointer on it.
Halo has a point and a story along with an ok-ish movie.... which is more than this game has now, and no KB&m gimmick can save it
Err... no these keyboard users are mostly the people who play EVE and don't want to change their controllers due to habit... All that they do is unplug them from their computer and plug it into their PS3... Yet you act as if that is some kind of intellectually challenging feat... Trying to defend differences in gameplay just makes you sound like you're busy exploiting the difference and don't want to loose your "edge". Which in sports and other venues is considered cheating. This issue has absolutely nothing to do with the way that the controller is presented, and has everything to do with the interaction thereof. Just as buying a steering wheel for a racing game does not give you a magical "speed booster" button, the keyboard should not have advantages over other methods of input. If there is a difference it is the fault of the programmers and must be rectified if it is to survive. (currently this game is rated 6 out of 10 on many sites, and that rating is only that high because of the prestige of EVE is behind it...) Thank you, these guys are attacking me because I am trying to put their exploit out there. Perhaps get good at the game with legit tactics.
Exploit...? Ok, are you calling the 'sprint strafe' thing a nexploit, or KB/M an exploit?
As it is, I see no reason why controller users can't have this ability as well, but then, I 'sprint strafe' all the time in other games. |
Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
172
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Posted - 2013.06.24 12:19:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Get a mouse and keyboard. If you play against a KB/M user with a controller, you only have yourself to blame when you lose.
It's like bringing a sword to a gunfight.
only the requirement only said sword or below
i did not realize i needed a KBM to be competitive |
Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
205
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Posted - 2013.06.24 13:37:00 -
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Syther Shadows wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Get a mouse and keyboard. If you play against a KB/M user with a controller, you only have yourself to blame when you lose.
It's like bringing a sword to a gunfight. only the requirement only said sword or below i did not realize i needed a KBM to be competitive
You want to do a duel and see which of us has the 'edge'? |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
568
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Posted - 2013.06.24 19:58:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Syther Shadows wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Get a mouse and keyboard. If you play against a KB/M user with a controller, you only have yourself to blame when you lose.
It's like bringing a sword to a gunfight. only the requirement only said sword or below i did not realize i needed a KBM to be competitive You want to do a duel and see which of us has the 'edge'?
Get a territory for a day or so. I would love to. |
Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
205
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Posted - 2013.06.24 23:17:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Syther Shadows wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Get a mouse and keyboard. If you play against a KB/M user with a controller, you only have yourself to blame when you lose.
It's like bringing a sword to a gunfight. only the requirement only said sword or below i did not realize i needed a KBM to be competitive You want to do a duel and see which of us has the 'edge'? Get a territory for a day or so. I would love to.
Add me as a contact and hop into MSF Pub, we can chat there. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
570
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Posted - 2013.06.25 06:27:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Syther Shadows wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Get a mouse and keyboard. If you play against a KB/M user with a controller, you only have yourself to blame when you lose.
It's like bringing a sword to a gunfight. only the requirement only said sword or below i did not realize i needed a KBM to be competitive You want to do a duel and see which of us has the 'edge'? Get a territory for a day or so. I would love to. Add me as a contact and hop into MSF Pub, we can chat there.
I will talk to Cubs about trying to set something up. You guys could attack us once somewhere. |
Beld Errmon
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
665
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Posted - 2013.06.25 15:11:00 -
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I haven't come across this bug unless you mean the one where if a person strafes with the controller and the keyboard at the same time they basically sprint strafe, that needs to be fixed asap because technically minded ppl with the right equipment could make a mod where they just have to press 1 key to get the same effect.
as for this take away kb/m nonsense lol, suck a long one it isn't gunna happen and if you don't like it well uninstall, c u next tuesday. |
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