Tbh, I think a falloff on forges and rails would do all vehicles a world of good, rather than applying full damage at any range. AV grenades also need to seriously do less damage. Any idiot with a grenade slot can outperform all other types of AV, and if said idiot also lays out a nano hive, you're dead.


Tanks / dropships, as they are, are fine. The AV is a bit out of whack.

Its like this...... I don't go into a pub match using my standard Dropsuit expecting bullets to not kill me after 5-10 shots. So why should you in a standard tank not expect your equivalent of bullets to not kill you in 5-10 shots??? If your getting killed by anything less then 5 AV grenades then either A.) your tank has a weak tank, or B.) there using Proto AV nades (possibly advanced) and that does cost a considerable amount of SP which justifies its power in my eyes.

So there you have it..... Its unfortunate you cant be immune to AV but without how it is now im trying to see how it won't be like the old builds were tanks just raped everything.

Enforcers are glass cannons and really shouldn't even be considered an ADV tank

We don't want to be Immune...

we just want something better then STD tanks

Enforcers are glass cannons and really shouldn't even be considered an ADV tank

Our STD tanks are used for those CQC or what i like to call the hot zone

The STD tank is fine i don't think its Underpowered or Overpowered... I don't feel as tho AV is overpowered or Underpowered as well

We just need our other tanks

You would have been just as ****** if they took away your proto suit for something weaker then your STD suit

The people who drive tanks and have the skill to drive the tank will benefit the most from proto tanks

Some one who truly has no idea how to play a tanker will still get run over seeing as this game is more about skill then gear

Will allow for more front line battles because we don't get lol3shot

Tbh, I think a falloff on forges and rails would do all vehicles a world of good, rather than applying full damage at any range. AV grenades also need to seriously do less damage. Any idiot with a grenade slot can outperform all other types of AV, and if said idiot also lays out a nano hive, you're dead.


Tanks / dropships, as they are, are fine. The AV is a bit out of whack.

I don't like the argument either. Like I said in another thread, proto-tanks completely ignore the fact that Militia gear is outclassed, it's still suppose to be effective against everything in the game. Standard AV gear will be doing next to nothing to proto-tanks, which will require you to skill into AV to damage them. If proto-tanks require you to skill into anything above Standard to be at least effective against them, they shouldn't be in this game.

Tbh, I think a falloff on forges and rails would do all vehicles a world of good, rather than applying full damage at any range. AV grenades also need to seriously do less damage. Any idiot with a grenade slot can outperform all other types of AV, and if said idiot also lays out a nano hive, you're dead.


Tanks / dropships, as they are, are fine. The AV is a bit out of whack.

I don't like the argument either. Like I said in another thread, proto-tanks completely ignore the fact that Militia gear is outclassed, it's still suppose to be effective against everything in the game. Standard AV gear will be doing next to nothing to proto-tanks, which will require you to skill into AV to damage them. If proto-tanks require you to skill into anything above Standard to be at least effective against them, they shouldn't be in this game.

I don't like the argument either. Like I said in another thread, proto-tanks completely ignore the fact that Militia gear is outclassed, it's still suppose to be effective against everything in the game. Standard AV gear will be doing next to nothing to proto-tanks, which will require you to skill into AV to damage them. If proto-tanks require you to skill into anything above Standard to be at least effective against them, they shouldn't be in this game.

To be honest, i'd like it if all my forge gun shots correctly registered the hits.

Pub match modes that don't allow vehicles. IE ambush on a small map would be great.

Even small skirmishes with only a few objectives with no vehicles.

The issue for tanks is that CCP does it's balancing based on pub matches. We've got vets with 10 times the SP of noobs and we can run around face raping them with no regard for our clone.

CCP should take a week and allow their devs to play in corps with players to see what really goes on. I don't think they understand the issues at all. Reading forums and looking at data on a screen isn't doing it.

I find it amazing that people assume I am complaining over some problem. I am not. I do think that certain AV weapons are too powerful but I do not want to discuss that in this thread as I believe it can be stated elsewhere.
This thread is entirely stating to the Tanking Community, those that have said "Giving us Prototype Tanks will undo a lot of the imbalance of Tanks vs. AV as AV has Prototype and we do not."

The only negative thing I have gone with is to politely, and hopefully rationally, disagree with the idea that Prototype Tanks would be sufficiently better as to be a 'reasonable' match up against Prototype AV weapons.

I don't believe Prototype Tanks should beat AV right out.
I am not complaining about a Hard Counter.
I only believe that unless there is some drastic change in how the methodology of Tanks have been, I do not see Advanced or Prototype Tanks being much better than just a Standard Tank.

Be well.

Feedback appreciated

Here is what I think

So then let's take away your PRO AV. If you don't want us to have PRO and/or ADV tanks, then start up a petition for CCP to take away your PRO AV. And that would include the PRO AV grenades, too.

Deal?

But now you're getting heavy commando suits that have two light weapon slots in it. That's two Wiyrkomi swarms, or a Wiyrkomi and a Duvolle.

Now, all you have to do is give up an equipment slot to destroy us and those that just got out of the battle academy. What more do you want? Have you ever been on the receiving end of a prototype swarm launcher?

Militia gear is supposed to be pathetically weak, but guys still throw those on their prototype suits stacked with damage mods so that they never have to put up the skills for a single level into swarm launcher operation. How is that fair for those of us who've sunk all our SP into vehicle command and vehicle upgrades?

And for people talking about commandos, they won't be a big issue, since they'll be faster w/ less HP than the current heavies.

fixed that for you. the limited slots (2high 1 low on a proto) is why people won't want to use them

I agree it should take a team to take out a tank (4-5) mercs. not just one gut that chased you with a proto - adv swarms or forage not counting on the guy that just spams grenades. The way that an tanks would be taken out is like an logi takes res and makes a trap while the forage gunner and swarms coordinate to make the tank drive into the trap

I think the current STD HAVs should have the stats/price of the eventual ADV HAVs. It's obvious that otherwise, proto HAVs will absolutely obliterate everything, and will be ridiculously expensive.

4-5, if it's your average AV guy who happens to have ADV swarms or less, and it's a really good tanker, sure. But 4-5 all with pro AV is crazy. 2-3 is better.