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MCEINSTEIN08
Defective by Design
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:27:00 -
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Sorry, I like the game, but:
I am having so much trouble acquiring targets @ any distances close it is alright, but sniping is horrible.
And one of the best features, the possibility of re-spec @ some point time.
I got a response from an official from CCP: Respec will never happen, because of the skill tree!
I played Beta, closed & open, I have many skill points, but still it is everyday changing game, I DO NOT WANT TO BE STUCK INTO ONE PARTICULAR SKILL TREE. Today I want to an Assault.... tomorrow want to be a Scout. Unfortunately I can't change or @ least not @ the level I would like to be playing.
This game should be one of the best right now, every days, I see less then 6k people on the servers, Even MAG had more players in the beginning!
Good game, bad direction. |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:34:00 -
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Well, Sir, if you Like Switching things Up, Then you Shouldn't have Skilled So Much into one Skill Tree. You Could Have Skilled Each Weapon to Lvl1, and Each Frame Size to Lvl1, and created a Jack Of All Trades, Master Of None.
But you Didn't. So I have No Pity Or Sorrow (which I Shouldn't have anyway. Its a Freaking Video Game). |
Danny Las Piedras
El Cartel Del Caribe
1
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:40:00 -
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Ccp creates this hard to understand game and once i put a effort and weeks to actually understand it i find out i screwed up my skill, its really disappinting that u have givin older player multiple respes and u leave new player out there to die and be abused by older prototype using player. This is bull and a waste of time. All new players should have a opurtunity to explore with there skills while they learn and at least have one time starters only respect, this game gets very boring when i am getting abused in the battlefield because i didnt understand the skill system in the begining
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PonyClause Rex
TRAMADOL KNIGHTS
155
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:40:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Well, Sir, if you Like Switching things Up, Then you Shouldn't have Skilled So Much into one Skill Tree. You Could Have Skilled Each Weapon to Lvl1, and Each Frame Size to Lvl1, and created a Jack Of All Trades, Master Of None.
But you Didn't. So I have No Pity Or Sorrow (which I Shouldn't have anyway. Its a Freaking Video Game).
and with those skills empty a whole clip into a proto logi and wont even kill it |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
83
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:49:00 -
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PonyClause Rex wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Well, Sir, if you Like Switching things Up, Then you Shouldn't have Skilled So Much into one Skill Tree. You Could Have Skilled Each Weapon to Lvl1, and Each Frame Size to Lvl1, and created a Jack Of All Trades, Master Of None.
But you Didn't. So I have No Pity Or Sorrow (which I Shouldn't have anyway. Its a Freaking Video Game). and with those skills empty a whole clip into a proto logi and wont even kill it That Is why Matchmaking, or Matches That Lock out Gear Levels would Do wonders for this Game. |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1394
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:59:00 -
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instead you should play eve, they let you fly tons of ships you can spec out into 4-5 different ships, combat effectiveout in just 2 months !
Be a logi/sniper/tank all in just 2 months! then spend over 12 years specializing into deep trees of skills.
Or play dust the game with 32 years of skills and only 1/5th of the skills in eve online...
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Danny Las Piedras
El Cartel Del Caribe
2
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Posted - 2013.06.21 05:34:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:PonyClause Rex wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Well, Sir, if you Like Switching things Up, Then you Shouldn't have Skilled So Much into one Skill Tree. You Could Have Skilled Each Weapon to Lvl1, and Each Frame Size to Lvl1, and created a Jack Of All Trades, Master Of None.
But you Didn't. So I have No Pity Or Sorrow (which I Shouldn't have anyway. Its a Freaking Video Game). and with those skills empty a whole clip into a proto logi and wont even kill it That Is why Matchmaking, or Matches That Lock out Gear Levels would Do wonders for this Game.
They should put 3 options, militia mode: where u can only use militia equipment, elite mode :wher anybody can play including prototypes P.C. Should be in this mode, and a middle mode where anyone but prototype equipment or suits or vehicles can be used |
Aoena Rays
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
223
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Posted - 2013.06.21 05:38:00 -
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Danny Las Piedras wrote:
Ccp creates this hard to understand game and once i put a effort and weeks to actually understand it i find out i screwed up my skill, its really disappinting that u have givin older player multiple respes and u leave new player out there to die and be abused by older prototype using player. This is bull and a waste of time. All new players should have a opurtunity to explore with there skills while they learn and at least have one time starters only respect, this game gets very boring when i am getting abused in the battlefield because i didnt understand the skill system in the begining
Then you have reading problems man. Skills have descriptions. You read them. If you like them, you get them. |
Ferren Devarri
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.06.21 05:43:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Well, Sir, if you Like Switching things Up, Then you Shouldn't have Skilled So Much into one Skill Tree. You Could Have Skilled Each Weapon to Lvl1, and Each Frame Size to Lvl1, and created a Jack Of All Trades, Master Of None.
But you Didn't. So I have No Pity Or Sorrow (which I Shouldn't have anyway. Its a Freaking Video Game).
quoted for truth, and not poor capitalization skills.
EVE/DUST is an open ended system, but isn't unlike any other shooter out there. You build your character (and you get three) however you want. If you don't like your path, you simply invest into developing something different.
It's not much different anywhere else in the shooter world, only you don't have to actually play a class to develop it. In that respect, DUST is superior. Take your proto-build, rack up SP and invest them and your passive gains into something else to open up more diversity.
You, OP, nor anyone else, has a right to ***** about not being able to hop into any Proto-gear they want without having to work for it, just because they did it once for something else. Respecs were designed for systems where there was no other means to achieve other specializations because of level limitations (such as WoW and it's million clones). DUST allows you to get them all, but it takes time and effort in whichever ratio you want. You don't wake up, forgetting your jutsu and to be an instant master at kung fu. You learn kung fu and keep your jutsu.
Players specialize themselves, and live with the consequences for doing so. Or they generalize themselves, and live with the consequences for doing so. |
MCEINSTEIN08
Defective by Design
7
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Posted - 2013.06.21 09:08:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Well, Sir, if you Like Switching things Up, Then you Shouldn't have Skilled So Much into one Skill Tree. You Could Have Skilled Each Weapon to Lvl1, and Each Frame Size to Lvl1, and created a Jack Of All Trades, Master Of None.
But you Didn't. So I have No Pity Or Sorrow (which I Shouldn't have anyway. Its a Freaking Video Game).
First of all I am not looking for Pity nor Sorrow, just some fun because as you mention, after all it is a game.
But this is what DUST 514 is all about, nothing close to PROTO and the game just chews you up and spits you out!!! Over and over again. you cannot play the game in full without PROTO. |
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Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
148
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Posted - 2013.06.21 09:24:00 -
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Danny Las Piedras wrote:
Ccp creates this hard to understand game and once i put a effort and weeks to actually understand it i find out i screwed up my skill, its really disappinting that u have givin older player multiple respes and u leave new player out there to die and be abused by older prototype using player. This is bull and a waste of time. All new players should have a opurtunity to explore with there skills while they learn and at least have one time starters only respect, this game gets very boring when i am getting abused in the battlefield because i didnt understand the skill system in the begining
If by new players you mean 500K Sp
you earn that in a week. |
Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
148
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Posted - 2013.06.21 09:26:00 -
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MCEINSTEIN08 wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Well, Sir, if you Like Switching things Up, Then you Shouldn't have Skilled So Much into one Skill Tree. You Could Have Skilled Each Weapon to Lvl1, and Each Frame Size to Lvl1, and created a Jack Of All Trades, Master Of None.
But you Didn't. So I have No Pity Or Sorrow (which I Shouldn't have anyway. Its a Freaking Video Game). First of all I am not looking for Pity nor Sorrow, just some fun because as you mention, after all it is a game. But this is what DUST 514 is all about, nothing close to PROTO and the game just chews you up and spits you out!!! Over and over again. you cannot play the game in full without PROTO.
Dude im still using a STD suit and i chew up proto scrubs all day
Its not about having proto gear its about knowing your limitations and fighting smart all that stuff just gives you a slight edge
standard assault rifle deal like 20 damage per shot complex shield mod gives 66 shield
that COMPLEX mod reduces the damage of 3 bullets
if you ADS and don't spray everywhere you get SO many kills ... im not even trying to be a slayer logi and i still get kills by doing it |
MCEINSTEIN08
Defective by Design
7
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Posted - 2013.06.21 09:45:00 -
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Syther Shadows wrote:MCEINSTEIN08 wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Well, Sir, if you Like Switching things Up, Then you Shouldn't have Skilled So Much into one Skill Tree. You Could Have Skilled Each Weapon to Lvl1, and Each Frame Size to Lvl1, and created a Jack Of All Trades, Master Of None.
But you Didn't. So I have No Pity Or Sorrow (which I Shouldn't have anyway. Its a Freaking Video Game). First of all I am not looking for Pity nor Sorrow, just some fun because as you mention, after all it is a game. But this is what DUST 514 is all about, nothing close to PROTO and the game just chews you up and spits you out!!! Over and over again. you cannot play the game in full without PROTO. Dude im still using a STD suit and i chew up proto scrubs all day Its not about having proto gear its about knowing your limitations and fighting smart all that stuff just gives you a slight edge standard assault rifle deal like 20 damage per shot complex shield mod gives 66 shield that COMPLEX mod reduces the damage of 3 bullets if you ADS and don't spray everywhere you get SO many kills ... im not even trying to be a slayer logi and i still get kills by doing it
I do not know where you get your stats, or how you can fight through the game with a standard Suite (without throwing your PS3 remote @ the TV, out of rage :) but I have a hard time believing that you can go toe to toe with a Proto Gear Merc and pull it off! |
MCEINSTEIN08
Defective by Design
7
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Posted - 2013.06.21 09:48:00 -
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So can someone with some kind of sounded information, explain to me why having a Re-spec @ some point time in the game is a bad thing!?! No need to write a book just in few words.
Thank you. |
Danny Las Piedras
El Cartel Del Caribe
2
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Posted - 2013.06.21 12:34:00 -
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This game will always be for the small group hardcore player especialy those from close beta, the masive amount of FPS gamers wont be intrested in this game because it only reward the old players, the new players are left out there to be abused and they loose intrest |
Danny Las Piedras
El Cartel Del Caribe
2
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Posted - 2013.06.21 12:41:00 -
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MCEINSTEIN08 wrote:So can someone with some kind of sounded information, explain to me why having a Re-spec @ some point time in the game is a bad thing!?! No need to write a book just in few words.
Thank you.
Its bad because it would take away the advantage beta players have and it would actually balance the game. CCP dont care about the new players. They just want to keep that group of nerds happy. They already have had multiple respecs |
RoundEy3
Metal Mind Industries
123
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Posted - 2013.06.21 14:06:00 -
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Danny Las Piedras wrote:MCEINSTEIN08 wrote:So can someone with some kind of sounded information, explain to me why having a Re-spec @ some point time in the game is a bad thing!?! No need to write a book just in few words.
Thank you. Its bad because it would take away the advantage beta players have and it would actually balance the game. CCP dont care about the new players. They just want to keep that group of nerds happy. They already have had multiple respecs
This is far from the idea of fair your supposedly supporting. There will always be players with more SP than new players as long as the game is out obviously.
MCEINSTEIN08 wrote:But this is what DUST 514 is all about, nothing close to PROTO and the game just chews you up and spits you out!!! Over and over again. you cannot play the game in full without PROTO.
This is a major misconception. If you're running lv.1 gear, then yes you will have a harder time against the majority of enemies. With some time and devotion you will then move to the middle of the food chain. Even with proto gear you can still be mowed. Fighting against well cooridinated squads wearing advanced gear, is far worse than a solo badass in proto gear.
My schedule rarely works well for consistent play so I mostly try to form squads on the fly with people. Sometimes it works great, sometimes it's a disaster. Whether a squad is successfull depends much less on gear than just working well together.
You shouldn't get into the mindset that proto gear will make you suddenly great at this game. It would be a huge disappointment to be running around in your brand new expensive full proto loadout to find you can still be killed quickly. |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
86
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Posted - 2013.06.21 14:37:00 -
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Danny Las Piedras wrote:This game will always be for the small group hardcore player especialy those from close beta, the masive amount of FPS gamers wont be intrested in this game because it only reward the old players, the new players are left out there to be abused and they loose intrest I have two things to say,
1. Your right new players are getting munched by proto bears, and that needs to end. I will agree with you on that.
2. CBers had to have a character reset when the game went into open beta. Not a respec, a reset, as all SP took down to amount of a newberry. If you had made a character in OB, then the difference between you and a CBer is marginal at best.
I don't usually say this, but when I do, you gave good reason. Stop QQing and HTFU |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
107
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:02:00 -
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MCEINSTEIN08 wrote:Sorry, I like the game, but:
I am having so much trouble acquiring targets @ any distances close it is alright, but sniping is horrible.
And one of the best features, the possibility of re-spec @ some point time.
I got a response from an official from CCP: Respec will never happen, because of the skill tree!
I played Beta, closed & open, I have many skill points, but still it is everyday changing game, I DO NOT WANT TO BE STUCK INTO ONE PARTICULAR SKILL TREE. Today I want to an Assault.... tomorrow want to be a Scout. Unfortunately I can't change or @ least not @ the level I would like to be playing.
This game should be one of the best right now, every days, I see less then 6k people on the servers, Even MAG had more players in the beginning!
Good game, bad direction.
can i have your stuff? |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
107
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:04:00 -
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MCEINSTEIN08 wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Well, Sir, if you Like Switching things Up, Then you Shouldn't have Skilled So Much into one Skill Tree. You Could Have Skilled Each Weapon to Lvl1, and Each Frame Size to Lvl1, and created a Jack Of All Trades, Master Of None.
But you Didn't. So I have No Pity Or Sorrow (which I Shouldn't have anyway. Its a Freaking Video Game). First of all I am not looking for Pity nor Sorrow, just some fun because as you mention, after all it is a game. But this is what DUST 514 is all about, nothing close to PROTO and the game just chews you up and spits you out!!! Over and over again. you cannot play the game in full without PROTO.
i think i've run proto less than 20 times. i use a sentinel a-1 and i do fine. maybe play smarter, or work toward a better tanked fit. |
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Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD
1015
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:07:00 -
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Danny Las Piedras wrote:
Ccp creates this hard to understand game and once i put a effort and weeks to actually understand it i find out i screwed up my skill, its really disappinting that u have givin older player multiple respes and u leave new player out there to die and be abused by older prototype using player. This is bull and a waste of time. All new players should have a opurtunity to explore with there skills while they learn and at least have one time starters only respect, this game gets very boring when i am getting abused in the battlefield because i didnt understand the skill system in the begining
Mistakes happen in life. Learn to accept your mistakes instead of expecting others to fix them for you. |
Mikey The Chub
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
4
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:20:00 -
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MCEINSTEIN08 wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Well, Sir, if you Like Switching things Up, Then you Shouldn't have Skilled So Much into one Skill Tree. You Could Have Skilled Each Weapon to Lvl1, and Each Frame Size to Lvl1, and created a Jack Of All Trades, Master Of None.
But you Didn't. So I have No Pity Or Sorrow (which I Shouldn't have anyway. Its a Freaking Video Game). First of all I am not looking for Pity nor Sorrow, just some fun because as you mention, after all it is a game. But this is what DUST 514 is all about, nothing close to PROTO and the game just chews you up and spits you out!!! Over and over again. you cannot play the game in full without PROTO.
Not true, while gear is a crutch for some players it's not impossible to kill proto players in non proto gear, you just have to be good and use strategies. This isn't CoD where you can 1 shot everything.
*sigh*
Some people just don't get it. |
MCEINSTEIN08
Defective by Design
7
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:56:00 -
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low genius wrote:MCEINSTEIN08 wrote:Sorry, I like the game, but:
I am having so much trouble acquiring targets @ any distances close it is alright, but sniping is horrible.
And one of the best features, the possibility of re-spec @ some point time.
I got a response from an official from CCP: Respec will never happen, because of the skill tree!
I played Beta, closed & open, I have many skill points, but still it is everyday changing game, I DO NOT WANT TO BE STUCK INTO ONE PARTICULAR SKILL TREE. Today I want to an Assault.... tomorrow want to be a Scout. Unfortunately I can't change or @ least not @ the level I would like to be playing.
This game should be one of the best right now, every days, I see less then 6k people on the servers, Even MAG had more players in the beginning!
Good game, bad direction. can i have your stuff?
low genius
If I could I would sell you all my un-used stuff... for a small monetary amount! LOL
I have so many Suits, guns and other gears that I will never use, since I will never branch-out into that class... again, because I will never get to that level. |
MCEINSTEIN08
Defective by Design
7
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:09:00 -
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Thank you all for your comments, but this was more directed towards the fact that we cannot respec, vs proto gear.
Like I said, I am now an Assault Advanced Merc. Because of the NO RESPEC policy, I will probably never play as a heavy armor, nor as a scout ... and so on!
Someone mention he can get 500K sp in a week, good for him, but I have to work and it would take me about 20 days to get 500K sp, without updating anything else.
Yes I could run anything @ basic level, but what would this be the purpose?
So, this is my question:
Why would CCP make a game where it is nearly impossible to play all the options (Suit, guns & gear)?!?
Why is it such a bad idea to be able to Respec (if you want to) and explore a completely different type of game?!?
Thank you. |
RINON114
B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance
219
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:35:00 -
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MCEINSTEIN08 wrote:Thank you all for your comments, but this was more directed towards the fact that we cannot respec, vs proto gear.
Like I said, I am now an Assault Advanced Merc. Because of the NO RESPEC policy, I will probably never play as a heavy armor, nor as a scout ... and so on!
Someone mention he can get 500K sp in a week, good for him, but I have to work and it would take me about 20 days to get 500K sp, without updating anything else.
Yes I could run anything @ basic level, but what would this be the purpose?
So, this is my question:
Why would CCP make a game where it is nearly impossible to play all the options (Suit, guns & gear)?!?
Why is it such a bad idea to be able to Respec (if you want to) and explore a completely different type of game?!?
Thank you. It would take you 20 days to get 500k? You can get that in two weeks by playing a few matches a day! It's not a huge commitment to reach the cap every week.
As far as respecs are concerned: wtf is everyone talking about, saying it's to keep GÇ£a small group of nerds happyGÇ¥? The reason we have no respecs is to keep the idea of consequence throughout the game, if you choose the wrong skill, it's your own fault. If you didn't play a few matches to survey the battlefield before blasting your starting SP, guess what? It's your fault.
I started from closed beta and had all my SP wiped, some people had tens of millions wiped, deleted. The point is, you could have started a character the instant Dust went open beta, but for whatever reason, you didn't. In a few months however you will be in the exact same position I am, with a bunch of SP and telling some other newberry to HTFU.
Here's hoping to a quick metamorphosis. |
Danny Las Piedras
El Cartel Del Caribe
3
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Posted - 2013.06.22 04:33:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Danny Las Piedras wrote:
Ccp creates this hard to understand game and once i put a effort and weeks to actually understand it i find out i screwed up my skill, its really disappinting that u have givin older player multiple respes and u leave new player out there to die and be abused by older prototype using player. This is bull and a waste of time. All new players should have a opurtunity to explore with there skills while they learn and at least have one time starters only respect, this game gets very boring when i am getting abused in the battlefield because i didnt understand the skill system in the begining
Mistakes happen in life. Learn to accept your mistakes instead of expecting others to fix them for you.
Yeah i bet its easy for you to say, i bet you one of does closed beta players that had multiple respec. And love abusing newbees |
Red'Z SpeZNerd
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.06.22 13:00:00 -
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This game struggles to keep new players...New players come in and have to understand very quickly a convoluted skill tree and UI..They make numerous mistakes whilst being stomped and then by the time they do realise better how to specialise they are still being stomped and have the expectation of another few weeks at least before they can improve the core skills needed to last more than a split second in an average gunfight.
The OP is pointing out his frustration and that felt by a huge amount of players...Most of them have left or are thinking to just give it up....I am one of them....I persevere but how annoying it is to be sniped, run over by a LAV and lose gunfights repeatedly, constantly by the same people with relative impunity.....
The maps are too big for the small teams and encourage sniping, LAVS and no one pushing on an objective when the teams are poorly balanced because of clans/ equipment/skills...
I understand the idea with CCP's implementation of the skill tree however I really do think it would be far healthier for this game if Skills could be allocated anew every few weeks...
I'm new here so if what I express is not to your liking then be civil and explain why that would be terrible. I would prefer that model. |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
48
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Posted - 2013.06.22 13:20:00 -
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MCEINSTEIN08 wrote:Sorry, I like the game, but:
I am having so much trouble acquiring targets @ any distances close it is alright, but sniping is horrible.
And one of the best features, the possibility of re-spec @ some point time.
I got a response from an official from CCP: Respec will never happen, because of the skill tree!
I played Beta, closed & open, I have many skill points, but still it is everyday changing game, I DO NOT WANT TO BE STUCK INTO ONE PARTICULAR SKILL TREE. Today I want to an Assault.... tomorrow want to be a Scout. Unfortunately I can't change or @ least not @ the level I would like to be playing.
This game should be one of the best right now, every days, I see less then 6k people on the servers, Even MAG had more players in the beginning!
Good game, bad direction.
so basicly you want to be an expert at everything. this isn't cod. your actions have consequences in dust. if you don't like what your doing then its simple, put sp into something else. i myself don't have a single sp in dropsuits. its all in core upgrades and weapons. this allows me to play any role very effectively i have very effective fast hacking scouts, decent AV setups and multiple assault variations to suit most situations and none of my fits cost me more than 25k each thought as my core sp grows it increases slightly as i upgrade.
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Greg FREESEr
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.06.23 07:36:00 -
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2 examples of what the OP is talking about
Issues Solutions
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