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Himiko Kuronaga
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:28:00 -
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Just curious how people would vote on this.
Bare in mind that the cons to maintaining a PS3 client involve a drain on developer resources, as well as a bottleneck on the number of features actually available in the game that a PS4 can handle but the PS3 cannot. For example you will never have building and terrain destruction on the PS3, nor high player counts inside of matches. As a result, PS4 players will also not be able to enjoy these benefits, even though their system (and by proxy, the games they are competing with) can.
Personally I vote shut it down and restart. I believe strongly in the vision of Dust, but I also believe we are on the completely wrong path right now and it is digging itself into a hole it may never be able to get out of. |
Dust LAG-LAG-LAG-LAG 514
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:30:00 -
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Agreed.
The current PS3 Dust is really a rubbish piece of work. |
PonyClause Rex
TRAMADOL KNIGHTS
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:30:00 -
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If my toon will gain passive SP in the 5 years it takes to port sure |
Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:32:00 -
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Jesus. You people will post anything, won't you?
How entitled do you have to be to ask a company to shut down a profitable game because you think have more pretties later.
I just... You know i'm glad you don't run a company. |
Severance Pay
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
433
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:32:00 -
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The thing is it has taken CCP 3 years to bring DUST this far on PS3. You will have to wait another 3 year for ps4 and by then the competition will have taken root. DUST needs to reboot but I think on VISTA. |
Green Living
0uter.Heaven League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:32:00 -
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Should we make another thread suggesting this? Like this post for yes. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:33:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Just curious how people would vote on this.
Bare in mind that the cons to maintaining a PS3 client involve a drain on developer resources, as well as a bottleneck on the number of features actually available in the game that a PS4 can handle but the PS3 cannot. For example you will never have building and terrain destruction on the PS3, nor high player counts inside of matches. As a result, PS4 players will also not be able to enjoy these benefits, even though their system (and by proxy, the games they are competing with) can.
Personally I vote shut it down and restart. I believe strongly in the vision of Dust, but I also believe we are on the completely wrong path right now and it is digging itself into a hole it may never be able to get out of.
You can make it shut down by stop playing
When you come back, it will be better. Its the same thing. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
632
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:33:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:Jesus. You people will post anything, won't you?
How entitled do you have to be to ask a company to shut down a profitable game because you think have more pretties later.
I just... You know i'm glad you don't run a company.
CCP has always been run more like a group of artists and dreamers than a company looking to fatten their wallets. I know for a fact there are many within the company itself who feel the same exact way I do. |
Severance Pay
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
433
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:33:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:Jesus. You people will post anything, won't you?
How entitled do you have to be to ask a company to shut down a profitable game because you think have more pretties later.
I just... You know i'm glad you don't run a company. Square-enix did it with FFXIV, and you know what? I have yet to find 1 negative review or complaint since. |
Commander Tuna
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:35:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:Jesus. You people will post anything, won't you?
How entitled do you have to be to ask a company to shut down a profitable game because you think have more pretties later.
I just... You know i'm glad you don't run a company. This. People may not like this game but it is without a doubt, still a capable shooter which is a blast to pay. This thread is terrible and op should feel terrible. |
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Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
632
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:36:00 -
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Commander Tuna wrote:Vallud Eadesso wrote:Jesus. You people will post anything, won't you?
How entitled do you have to be to ask a company to shut down a profitable game because you think have more pretties later.
I just... You know i'm glad you don't run a company. This. People may not like this game but it is without a doubt, still a capable shooter which is a blast to pay. This thread is terrible and op should feel terrible.
If you think it is a capable shooter, you yourself are pretty damn terrible. |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
106
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:37:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:Vallud Eadesso wrote:Jesus. You people will post anything, won't you?
How entitled do you have to be to ask a company to shut down a profitable game because you think have more pretties later.
I just... You know i'm glad you don't run a company. Square-enix did it with FFXIV, and you know what? I have yet to find 1 negative review or complaint since. No voice coms.
There you go. |
Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:39:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:Vallud Eadesso wrote:Jesus. You people will post anything, won't you?
How entitled do you have to be to ask a company to shut down a profitable game because you think have more pretties later.
I just... You know i'm glad you don't run a company. Square-enix did it with FFXIV, and you know what? I have yet to find 1 negative review or complaint since.
The difference is that wasn't turning a profit at any point, and probably still won't and will probably still crash and burn. That genre of MMO is dying. FPSs are not. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
888
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:40:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP has always been run more like a group of artists and dreamers than a company looking to fatten their wallets. I know for a fact there are many within the company itself who feel the same exact way I do.
Wow,
Are you actually claiming to have a CCP batphone to back up your point?
Need to add some tabsco because thats some weak sauce. |
Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
228
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:40:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Commander Tuna wrote:Vallud Eadesso wrote:Jesus. You people will post anything, won't you?
How entitled do you have to be to ask a company to shut down a profitable game because you think have more pretties later.
I just... You know i'm glad you don't run a company. This. People may not like this game but it is without a doubt, still a capable shooter which is a blast to pay. This thread is terrible and op should feel terrible. If you think it is a capable shooter, you yourself are pretty damn terrible.
Then please don't play it and please don't post on these forums? If you feel like that, why are you still here? |
omega 015
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:41:00 -
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I would not mind if they started over with a completely new engine on a new system(s). |
Commander Tuna
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:42:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Commander Tuna wrote:Vallud Eadesso wrote:Jesus. You people will post anything, won't you?
How entitled do you have to be to ask a company to shut down a profitable game because you think have more pretties later.
I just... You know i'm glad you don't run a company. This. People may not like this game but it is without a doubt, still a capable shooter which is a blast to pay. This thread is terrible and op should feel terrible. If you think it is a capable shooter, you yourself are pretty damn terrible. Why do people who do not enjoy the game still post here? I do not think this game is perfect but it is the only shooter which appeals to me at the moment. It is very fun. You make it sound like this game is such a trainwreck that no one plays it. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
635
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:43:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP has always been run more like a group of artists and dreamers than a company looking to fatten their wallets. I know for a fact there are many within the company itself who feel the same exact way I do.
Wow, Are you actually claiming to have a CCP batphone to back up your point? Need to add some tabsco because thats some weak sauce.
CCP recruits largely from the playerbase. I've been with the eve community for a decade.
So, yes. You can say I have a batphone. |
Sete Clifton
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:48:00 -
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There actually is something to learn from FFXIV in all of this. I saw an interview during E3 where someone from SE was talking fairly candidly about how with the original version of XIV they didn't listen or interact with the community, they pretty much did things their way and felt it was too bad for the players if they didn't like it. Then with RR they realized they needed input, and they needed to listen, while still keeping their artistic vision intact.
Basically, it's the same exact narrative that's been playing out with Dust and CCP shanghai over the last month or so where we've heard they didn't/don't really want to listen to us, but are now starting to see that it's the only way to really make things progress and improve.
So, what I'm saying is CCP Shanghai needs to get serious about really opening up to the community. It doesn't mean they need to let us make the game for them, but there needs to be a more direct conversation. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
326
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:49:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:Severance Pay wrote:Vallud Eadesso wrote:Jesus. You people will post anything, won't you?
How entitled do you have to be to ask a company to shut down a profitable game because you think have more pretties later.
I just... You know i'm glad you don't run a company. Square-enix did it with FFXIV, and you know what? I have yet to find 1 negative review or complaint since. The difference is that wasn't turning a profit at any point, and probably still won't and will probably still crash and burn. That genre of MMO is dying. FPSs are not.
I am actually going to be paying money to play that, and damn proud of it. paying money for a game is a sign that I like where the developers are taking it.
Know how much dust has wrung from my wallet? not one red cent. I even paid money for DCUO. Just let that sink in, that abomination is worth more to me than this pathetic excuse for an MMOFPS. |
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copy left
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:51:00 -
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Commander Tuna wrote:Vallud Eadesso wrote:Jesus. You people will post anything, won't you?
How entitled do you have to be to ask a company to shut down a profitable game because you think have more pretties later.
I just... You know i'm glad you don't run a company. This. People may not like this game but it is without a doubt, still a capable shooter which is a blast to pay. This thread is terrible and op should feel terrible.
angry birds is a blast to plat too.... |
Commander Tuna
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
69
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:53:00 -
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Commander Tuna wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Commander Tuna wrote:Vallud Eadesso wrote:Jesus. You people will post anything, won't you?
How entitled do you have to be to ask a company to shut down a profitable game because you think have more pretties later.
I just... You know i'm glad you don't run a company. This. People may not like this game but it is without a doubt, still a capable shooter which is a blast to pay. This thread is terrible and op should feel terrible. If you think it is a capable shooter, you yourself are pretty damn terrible. Why do people who do not enjoy the game still post here? I do not think this game is perfect but it is the only shooter which appeals to me at the moment. It is very fun. You make it sound like this game is such a trainwreck that no one plays it.
We post here because we want the game to become better than it is, and if we left it up to individuals like yourself it would remain in shambles. Does that answer your question?[/quote] Playing the game helps. Bitching at every possible chance does not. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
888
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:55:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:iceyburnz wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP has always been run more like a group of artists and dreamers than a company looking to fatten their wallets. I know for a fact there are many within the company itself who feel the same exact way I do.
Wow, Are you actually claiming to have a CCP batphone to back up your point? Need to add some tabsco because thats some weak sauce. CCP recruits largely from the playerbase. I've been with the eve community for a decade. So, yes. You can say I have a batphone.
Well you can claim that all you like. I don't believe you.
Because, your either trying to infer you work for ccp, which would be a lie. Because CCP staffers arn't stupid enough to troll thier own community with alts, knowing the consiquences it would have. And actually get them to try shut down one of thier own income streams.
Or you are trying to infer you have a friend on the inside, and I refuse to believe anyone who genuinely has a friend working for CCP would show such blatant disrespect for them by using that infernace to win a superficial internet argument So its likely, that is also a lie.
You got problems buddy.
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Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
228
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:55:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote: We post here because we want the game to become better than it is, and if we left it up to individuals like yourself it would remain in shambles. Does that answer your question?
What an absolute load of crap. You seriously think asking CCP to TURN THE GAME OFF. Is beneficial to ANYONE?
You're part of the community that cries for the perpetual circle of nerfs. You're a part of the group of players who think that because thy're in a particular alliance or clan that they have more say than others. You're part of the group who thinks because they play a lot of the same kind of shooter that they're an expert on it.
The kind of player who sits on the forums asking frankly MORONIC requests like "OMG CCP SHUD TRN OF THE GEAM" and then you have the GALL to say you're trying to HELP it!? What crazy world did you learn PR on? You clearly hate the game, have no faith in and yet here you are, claiming you're trying to 'help' it and citing you play EVE as a reason we should listen to you when you try and tell us we should shut down a game that is clearly making money.
If you had any credibility, you just lost it. If you'd came clean and admitted you just flat out didn't like the game and WANTED to see it die out of some spiteful idea of vindication, then I could have respect your honesty at least. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
638
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:01:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote: We post here because we want the game to become better than it is, and if we left it up to individuals like yourself it would remain in shambles. Does that answer your question?
What an absolute load of crap. You seriously think asking CCP to TURN THE GAME OFF. Is beneficial to ANYONE?
Yes, I do. In the long run they will be able to do more with it and gain more player interest through an actual quality game. On the current path its going down, it will continue to be less than mediocre and turn minimal profit.
Furthermore, the game can survive even if it is turned off. Eve has been funding this project for quite a while now.
My goodness, you sure scream a lot. Is it that time of the month again? Why don't you take a tranquilizer? |
Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
230
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:07:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Vallud Eadesso wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote: We post here because we want the game to become better than it is, and if we left it up to individuals like yourself it would remain in shambles. Does that answer your question?
What an absolute load of crap. You seriously think asking CCP to TURN THE GAME OFF. Is beneficial to ANYONE? Yes, I do. In the long run they will be able to do more with it and gain more player interest through an actual quality game. On the current path its going down, it will continue to be less than mediocre and turn minimal profit. Furthermore, the game can survive even if it is turned off. Eve has been funding this project for quite a while now. My goodness, you sure scream a lot. Is it that time of the month again? Why don't you take a tranquilizer?
Naw, I think highlighting what a STUPID request this is is totally worth the perceived 'screaming'. Clearly however you need to lay off them. They make you post silly things like this. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
641
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:15:00 -
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Immediately opening with insults instead of any material to debate with is the sure sign of an idiot. It must be difficult to go through life without a single intelligent thought in your head, Vallud. You have my sympathies. |
JonnyAugust
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
263
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:16:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Vallud Eadesso wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote: We post here because we want the game to become better than it is, and if we left it up to individuals like yourself it would remain in shambles. Does that answer your question?
What an absolute load of crap. You seriously think asking CCP to TURN THE GAME OFF. Is beneficial to ANYONE? Yes, I do. In the long run they will be able to do more with it and gain more player interest through an actual quality game. On the current path its going down, it will continue to be less than mediocre and turn minimal profit. Furthermore, the game can survive even if it is turned off. Eve has been funding this project for quite a while now. My goodness, you sure scream a lot. Is it that time of the month again? Why don't you take a tranquilizer? Naw, I think highlighting what a STUPID request this is is totally worth the perceived 'screaming'. Clearly however you need to lay off them. They make you post silly things like this. Valuud, you're an awful person. Why do you get on these forums to spew hate at people genuinely trying to make this game better? |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
641
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:20:00 -
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Now that I think about it...
Vallud Eadesso wrote:Jesus. You people will post anything, won't you?
What do you mean "you people"? |
WhiteMage7322
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:24:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:Severance Pay wrote:Vallud Eadesso wrote:Jesus. You people will post anything, won't you?
How entitled do you have to be to ask a company to shut down a profitable game because you think have more pretties later.
I just... You know i'm glad you don't run a company. Square-enix did it with FFXIV, and you know what? I have yet to find 1 negative review or complaint since. The difference is that wasn't turning a profit at any point, and probably still won't and will probably still crash and burn. That genre of MMO is dying. FPSs are not.
But, but there is too many FPS as is. How can CCP make money, if more games are becoming free to play and Dust will lose players slowly, if the other are better Dust will start to lose more players and the only one will be people that spend too much money or time on Dust. If CCP wants to make money, then they should re-do Dust. If they make it into an amazing game then they can even make it into B2P and gain some money with AUR or stay F2P if they are really confident that they are going to make money.
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Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:30:00 -
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JonnyAugust wrote:Vallud Eadesso wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Vallud Eadesso wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote: We post here because we want the game to become better than it is, and if we left it up to individuals like yourself it would remain in shambles. Does that answer your question?
What an absolute load of crap. You seriously think asking CCP to TURN THE GAME OFF. Is beneficial to ANYONE? Yes, I do. In the long run they will be able to do more with it and gain more player interest through an actual quality game. On the current path its going down, it will continue to be less than mediocre and turn minimal profit. Furthermore, the game can survive even if it is turned off. Eve has been funding this project for quite a while now. My goodness, you sure scream a lot. Is it that time of the month again? Why don't you take a tranquilizer? Naw, I think highlighting what a STUPID request this is is totally worth the perceived 'screaming'. Clearly however you need to lay off them. They make you post silly things like this. Valuud, you're an awful person. Why do you get on these forums to spew hate at people genuinely trying to make this game better?
Oh I feel loved. Hate? I'm no more hateful than the schmo asking to have a game others find incredibly enjoyable to be turned off because a tiny fraction dislike it. Turning this game off will not make it better. All that'll happen is he'll come back when it's re-released and complain about everything ELSE and claim CCP didn't let us provide feedback. And you know that's how this will play out, because it's the only course of action that could possibly happen.
How can the community provide feedback to ongoing development if the only viable and serious suggestion you give the developers is "Turn it off and don't let us be involved anymore while you tinker behind the scenes, even though everything you've done before is something I've been disappointed with and complained about."
Please don't go tarnishing me with this same brush. I love Dust, I love EVE and I enjoy CCP and what they do. I play at least a few games daily and I have made plenty of posts, suggestions and had plenty of neutral discussion (Those likes didn't generate themselves). But when I see something so mind-numbingly shortsighted, so idiotic in it's purpose and a request that serves nothing and no one other than a self gratifying sense of spite, yeah I lose my faith a little and wonder why people like that are still here.
With the above considered, do you seriously think turning the game off is the right thing to do? If you're answer is still yes, I urge you to uninstall, because this game will never be what you want it to be.
If i'm 'awful' for saying turning off the game is a flat out stupid idea (Not just bad, I genuinely mean downright idiotic), what does that make the people who want to turn the game off and cut off development feedback? |
Atikali Havendoorr
HERBGROWERS
27
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:36:00 -
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There's a saying in swedish for when something went awry that roughly goes "make over, make right".
I can't imagine CCP being too proud of this product. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
220
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:41:00 -
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I would be ok if Uprising was deleted altogether on any Playstation machine.
So much potential but CCP blew it.
If I was a Dust developer, I'd have a hard time looking other game devs in their eyes from all the shame. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
650
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:42:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:
Oh I feel loved. Hate? I'm no more hateful than the schmo asking to have a game others find incredibly enjoyable to be turned off because a tiny fraction dislike it. Turning this game off will not make it better. All that'll happen is he'll come back when it's re-released and complain about everything ELSE and claim CCP didn't let us provide feedback. And you know that's how this will play out, because it's the only course of action that could possibly happen.
How can the community provide feedback to ongoing development if the only viable and serious suggestion you give the developers is "Turn it off and don't let us be involved anymore while you tinker behind the scenes, even though everything you've done before is something I've been disappointed with and complained about."
Please don't go tarnishing me with this same brush. I love Dust, I love EVE and I enjoy CCP and what they do. I play at least a few games daily and I have made plenty of posts, suggestions and had plenty of neutral discussion (Those likes didn't generate themselves). But when I see something so mind-numbingly shortsighted, so idiotic in it's purpose and a request that serves nothing and no one other than a self gratifying sense of spite, yeah I lose my faith a little and wonder why people like that are still here.
With the above considered, do you seriously think turning the game off is the right thing to do? If you're answer is still yes, I urge you to uninstall, because this game will never be what you want it to be.
If i'm 'awful' for saying turning off the game is a flat out stupid idea (Not just bad, I genuinely mean downright idiotic), what does that make the people who want to turn the game off and cut off development feedback?
They have more than enough feedback. They have acquired a full year of it.
Not to mention they have been lambasted by nearly every neutral reviewer out there who isn't already payed to deliver pro-sony propaganda. Many of these reviewers are familiar with CCP's track record and eve, but still recognize this game is terrible.
You say only a tiny fraction of the community is dissatisfied with it. Metacritic would say otherwise. These forums would say otherwise. Every corporation too lazy to even show up to their PC battles would say otherwise. And I would say you are completely delusional about where you stand in the community. |
Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
230
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:43:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote: And I would say you are delusional about where you stand in the community.
Pst. You're doing it again.
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1683
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:45:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote: Oh I feel loved. Hate? I'm no more hateful than the schmo asking to have a game others find incredibly enjoyable to be turned off because a tiny fraction dislike it. Turning this game off will not make it better. All that'll happen is he'll come back when it's re-released and complain about everything ELSE and claim CCP didn't let us provide feedback. And you know that's how this will play out, because it's the only course of action that could possibly happen.
How can the community provide feedback to ongoing development if the only viable and serious suggestion you give the developers is "Turn it off and don't let us be involved anymore while you tinker behind the scenes, even though everything you've done before is something I've been disappointed with and complained about."
Please don't go tarnishing me with this same brush. I love Dust, I love EVE and I enjoy CCP and what they do. I play at least a few games daily and I have made plenty of posts, suggestions and had plenty of neutral discussion (Those likes didn't generate themselves). But when I see something so mind-numbingly shortsighted, so idiotic in it's purpose and a request that serves nothing and no one other than a self gratifying sense of spite, yeah I lose my faith a little and wonder why people like that are still here.
With the above considered, do you seriously think turning the game off is the right thing to do? If you're answer is still yes, I urge you to uninstall, because this game will never be what you want it to be.
If i'm 'awful' for saying turning off the game is a flat out stupid idea (Not just bad, I genuinely mean downright idiotic), what does that make the people who want to turn the game off and cut off development feedback?
The problem is that as long as this game is available to the average PS3 user, Dust 514 (and CCP) are hurting their reputation and making it less likely for the game to succeed in the long run. Shutting the game down and retooling would give them a chance to fix the problems without having to worry about how the current state of affairs affects the average player perception.
Right now, most players who bother to download the game never come back. They try it out, realize it's an unfinished product, and shut it down... and that's assuming they haven't read the reviews first. If they read the reviews, it's unlikely they will ever bother downloading it in the first place.
To the average player who doesn't read the forums, doesn't play Eve, and has no connection to the New Eden universe, there's no reason to consider Dust 514 anything other than a throwaway half-assed shooter.
Many of us see the potential, and see how the current game doesn't even come close to that potential. We'd rather there be a great game down the line, than have a terrible game right now.
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Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:47:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote: And I would say you are delusional about where you stand in the community. Pst. You're doing it again.
You believe the majority of people playing the game are content with it when nearly every sign points to the opposite.
You like the game. Congratulations. Nearly everyone casual disagrees with you, and nearly every good player probably wants to disassociate with you on principle.
Yet you have the audacity to call me stupid.
Alright, I'll bite.
How are you not delusional? |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
651
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Posted - 2013.06.21 02:01:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Vallud Eadesso wrote: Oh I feel loved. Hate? I'm no more hateful than the schmo asking to have a game others find incredibly enjoyable to be turned off because a tiny fraction dislike it. Turning this game off will not make it better. All that'll happen is he'll come back when it's re-released and complain about everything ELSE and claim CCP didn't let us provide feedback. And you know that's how this will play out, because it's the only course of action that could possibly happen.
How can the community provide feedback to ongoing development if the only viable and serious suggestion you give the developers is "Turn it off and don't let us be involved anymore while you tinker behind the scenes, even though everything you've done before is something I've been disappointed with and complained about."
Please don't go tarnishing me with this same brush. I love Dust, I love EVE and I enjoy CCP and what they do. I play at least a few games daily and I have made plenty of posts, suggestions and had plenty of neutral discussion (Those likes didn't generate themselves). But when I see something so mind-numbingly shortsighted, so idiotic in it's purpose and a request that serves nothing and no one other than a self gratifying sense of spite, yeah I lose my faith a little and wonder why people like that are still here.
With the above considered, do you seriously think turning the game off is the right thing to do? If you're answer is still yes, I urge you to uninstall, because this game will never be what you want it to be.
If i'm 'awful' for saying turning off the game is a flat out stupid idea (Not just bad, I genuinely mean downright idiotic), what does that make the people who want to turn the game off and cut off development feedback?
The problem is that as long as this game is available to the average PS3 user, Dust 514 (and CCP) are hurting their reputation and making it less likely for the game to succeed in the long run. Shutting the game down and retooling would give them a chance to fix the problems without having to worry about how the current state of affairs affects the average player perception. Right now, most players who bother to download the game never come back. They try it out, realize it's an unfinished product, and shut it down... and that's assuming they haven't read the reviews first. If they read the reviews, it's unlikely they will ever bother downloading it in the first place. To the average player who doesn't read the forums, doesn't play Eve, and has no connection to the New Eden universe, there's no reason to consider Dust 514 anything other than a throwaway half-assed shooter. Many of us see the potential, and see how the current game doesn't even come close to that potential. We'd rather there be a great game down the line, than have a terrible game right now. I'm not entirely convinced that shutting the game down for awhile is the best approach, but I certainly wouldn't say the idea is anywhere close to "idiotic".
Thank you for the well thought out post.
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.21 02:08:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:Jesus. You people will post anything, won't you?
How entitled do you have to be to ask a company to shut down a profitable game because you think have more pretties later.
I just... You know i'm glad you don't run a company.
Weeee Wooooo Weeeee Wooooo
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Dust and profitable should not be used in the same sentence.
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Planetside2 OnPS4
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:02:00 -
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Dust is actually in the red right now. Hopefully the 1.2 will bring profit, as to continue to pay the 28 people devving the game. |
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Luk Manag
of Terror
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:12:00 -
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Planetside2 OnPS4 wrote:+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö
Dust is actually in the red right now. Hopefully the 1.2 will bring profit, as to continue to pay the 28 people devving the game.
*citation needed
-I can tell by your name that you would rather recruit shooter MMO players for PS2 - busted! lol
-I think scrapping a project like Dust will not help anything reach the PS4 more quickly. They simply need to develop the in-house talent by trial and error, with active players who are willing and able to provide testing and feedback.
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PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.06.22 05:47:00 -
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Feedback appreciated
Here is what I think
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Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
153
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Posted - 2013.06.22 06:03:00 -
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Nope
they should not do this ... it would be stupid they are gaining so much experience from this making the game
you want them to shut it down and make another dust514 that will be the same or do you want them to grow and learn how to make a good fps game ?
i mean .... FIUKN if you really think that ccp shuting down is going to fix anything your wrong
games get good with experience and time at the moment ccp has time just not the experience
other games are bad because they got rushed by experience game devs but we all started out somewhere right ?
you don't just pick something up and say here have a million dollars do a good job what YOU should do is STOP PLAYING UNTIL PS4 COMES OUT QQ LORDS |
Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
153
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Posted - 2013.06.22 06:04:00 -
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PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4 wrote:
almost opened the link ~
almost |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
62
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Posted - 2013.06.22 07:36:00 -
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I also feel that the thing to do is keep going. Although a lot of feedback has been collected, certainly the continued development, builds and player feedback will help continue to improve the game.
At some point though PS4 development needs to begin in earnest and then it's probably more of a matter of CCP resources and what the development plan is.
Does the game get 'rebuilt' with a different engine and software tools? Or is it migrated from one platfrom to another? What is the CCP development staff looking like at that time - are there more developers? Are the current developers more efficient and so they can effectively continue on with PS3 support and make serious strides on PS4 development?
I think these are questions for CCP to consider. I think shutting down the game, while it will allow them to focus, will have greater negative effects including missing the player feedback, loosing the player base, and perhaps stunting their effectiveness when making the PS4 version.
It's still basically a beta version of a game, and I don't think they have learned everything yet they need to. I think trying to make a PS4 beta version of Dust 514 after shutting down the PS3 version will probably be the nail in the coffin.
I feel like they need to get it right now on the PS3, not only with the game, but with their use of player feedback, their staff priorities and the communication skills....
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Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
679
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Posted - 2013.06.22 09:17:00 -
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Again though, I have to wonder.
If you've watched the BF4 multiplayer trailer, you know the kind of dynamic battlefield stuff that can happen with buildings getting leveled, roads collapsing, etc. That kind of thing just isn't going to be possible on this current client, and because of that it means that it will be limited if it shares the game with the PS4 client.
Is this horrible, barely functional client we are playing on right now really worth severely limiting the future of this game in such a drastic manner? If development continues on it, they will continue to keep it out there as long as possible and it will probably be 5 or 6 years before you even start to see them experimenting with higher player counts and destructible terrain. And that will put them even further behind on optimizations to it.
So why save this abomination of a client? It could greatly advance this game if we just let the client fade away for now. It's not like it's that fun to play anyways. |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
63
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Posted - 2013.06.22 09:41:00 -
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The BF4 trailer is pretty impressive, I have to say. Having Dust with that level of graphics, destructibility, varied terrains and scale of the battles would be epic.
I think it comes down to CCP though, and what they can accomplish. If I had confidence they could put out a version of Dust that was equivalent to the BF4 trailer, then sure - I'd be willing to wait.
But given their development path, communication, skill at listening to player feedback, patch and release timing/choices, followup with help tickets, etc.... if they take this game offline, I'm not sure they'd do much but loose players. Given the reviews thus far, I'm not sure folks would have the confidence to come back and try again (maybe)
I see their best bet as still moving forward on the current platform; I think they really need to generate some player and industry confidence before they fade to black with a "we'll be back in 3 years with a new client, and then we'll show you what's up for real" statement.... |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
206
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Posted - 2013.06.22 10:35:00 -
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If shutting the game down and porting it to the PS4 is a consideration for CCP then a number of things need to be done 1st while they have access to the PS3:
1. They need to complete the necessary balance of the weapons, modules, skills, vehicles etc 2. Complete the introduction of all the basic gear for each race - so it can be tested and balanced 3. Complete and refine the basic gun play and movement mechanics essential to all FPS games
The items listed above can only be done with an active player base providing input and testing each element to destruction as CCP lacks the required experience and knowledge to do it without us. All of these things can be done on the PS3 since they have already programmed for it.
If they shut down now then all of this testing would have to be done on the PS4 with all the negative repercussions that would entail e.g. "This is why this game was shut down on the PS3 why are they repeating the same mistakes on the PS4".
For these reasons I think they need to continue on the PS3. They need to learn how to build a good, not excellent, but good FPS now while they still have the chance before moving onto the PS4.
Moving onto the PS4 now would just result in them making the same mistakes all over again.
Of course the alternative would be to shut the game down and hire a large group of highly skilled and knowledgeable FPS designers to work on the game but that would cost a fortune considering the better designers will be in high demand due to the popularity of FPS games. This would be the only way they could build an FPS game with no player input. |
D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits
219
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Posted - 2013.06.22 10:55:00 -
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they should continue DUST on the PS3 and 2 years after the PS4s release come out with DUST for the PS4.
-Free to play -all the bugs fixed -new player friendly -PS2 and Destiny players will probably get bored with those and be temped to come back to DUST or to experiment with DUST -all features added -a generally complete game.
in this way the company stays in buisness but at the same time has a future beyond 5 months. |
Exardor
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.06.22 11:10:00 -
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Or... with the PS4 Release, the exclusive Deal on Dust 514 falls... and we get a PC - Version. |
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
47
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Posted - 2013.06.22 11:20:00 -
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ccp has been balancing eve for 10 years now and will forever continue do so until it dies. the same will happen for dust. how many "complete fully balanced" games are still being played on mass today from 1 year ago let alone 10. ccp has a 5 year plan for dust currently. you cant expect them to sit on dust for 5 years then release the biggest, most complex fps ever concieved to the public without any player input.
ccp succeeds because the community has a big input into how the games progress. no other games out there do this. if you shut out players for 5 years then there would be no player input and the game will be a mess. ccp releases stuff for us to play with and if it works its advanced, if it doesnt then its dialed back or removed.
its a process thats been working for 10 years now
shutting it down is not an option imo
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