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Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:30:00 -
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JonnyAugust wrote:Vallud Eadesso wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Vallud Eadesso wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote: We post here because we want the game to become better than it is, and if we left it up to individuals like yourself it would remain in shambles. Does that answer your question?
What an absolute load of crap. You seriously think asking CCP to TURN THE GAME OFF. Is beneficial to ANYONE? Yes, I do. In the long run they will be able to do more with it and gain more player interest through an actual quality game. On the current path its going down, it will continue to be less than mediocre and turn minimal profit. Furthermore, the game can survive even if it is turned off. Eve has been funding this project for quite a while now. My goodness, you sure scream a lot. Is it that time of the month again? Why don't you take a tranquilizer? Naw, I think highlighting what a STUPID request this is is totally worth the perceived 'screaming'. Clearly however you need to lay off them. They make you post silly things like this. Valuud, you're an awful person. Why do you get on these forums to spew hate at people genuinely trying to make this game better?
Oh I feel loved. Hate? I'm no more hateful than the schmo asking to have a game others find incredibly enjoyable to be turned off because a tiny fraction dislike it. Turning this game off will not make it better. All that'll happen is he'll come back when it's re-released and complain about everything ELSE and claim CCP didn't let us provide feedback. And you know that's how this will play out, because it's the only course of action that could possibly happen.
How can the community provide feedback to ongoing development if the only viable and serious suggestion you give the developers is "Turn it off and don't let us be involved anymore while you tinker behind the scenes, even though everything you've done before is something I've been disappointed with and complained about."
Please don't go tarnishing me with this same brush. I love Dust, I love EVE and I enjoy CCP and what they do. I play at least a few games daily and I have made plenty of posts, suggestions and had plenty of neutral discussion (Those likes didn't generate themselves). But when I see something so mind-numbingly shortsighted, so idiotic in it's purpose and a request that serves nothing and no one other than a self gratifying sense of spite, yeah I lose my faith a little and wonder why people like that are still here.
With the above considered, do you seriously think turning the game off is the right thing to do? If you're answer is still yes, I urge you to uninstall, because this game will never be what you want it to be.
If i'm 'awful' for saying turning off the game is a flat out stupid idea (Not just bad, I genuinely mean downright idiotic), what does that make the people who want to turn the game off and cut off development feedback? |
Atikali Havendoorr
HERBGROWERS
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:36:00 -
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There's a saying in swedish for when something went awry that roughly goes "make over, make right".
I can't imagine CCP being too proud of this product. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
220
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:41:00 -
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I would be ok if Uprising was deleted altogether on any Playstation machine.
So much potential but CCP blew it.
If I was a Dust developer, I'd have a hard time looking other game devs in their eyes from all the shame. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
650
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:42:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:
Oh I feel loved. Hate? I'm no more hateful than the schmo asking to have a game others find incredibly enjoyable to be turned off because a tiny fraction dislike it. Turning this game off will not make it better. All that'll happen is he'll come back when it's re-released and complain about everything ELSE and claim CCP didn't let us provide feedback. And you know that's how this will play out, because it's the only course of action that could possibly happen.
How can the community provide feedback to ongoing development if the only viable and serious suggestion you give the developers is "Turn it off and don't let us be involved anymore while you tinker behind the scenes, even though everything you've done before is something I've been disappointed with and complained about."
Please don't go tarnishing me with this same brush. I love Dust, I love EVE and I enjoy CCP and what they do. I play at least a few games daily and I have made plenty of posts, suggestions and had plenty of neutral discussion (Those likes didn't generate themselves). But when I see something so mind-numbingly shortsighted, so idiotic in it's purpose and a request that serves nothing and no one other than a self gratifying sense of spite, yeah I lose my faith a little and wonder why people like that are still here.
With the above considered, do you seriously think turning the game off is the right thing to do? If you're answer is still yes, I urge you to uninstall, because this game will never be what you want it to be.
If i'm 'awful' for saying turning off the game is a flat out stupid idea (Not just bad, I genuinely mean downright idiotic), what does that make the people who want to turn the game off and cut off development feedback?
They have more than enough feedback. They have acquired a full year of it.
Not to mention they have been lambasted by nearly every neutral reviewer out there who isn't already payed to deliver pro-sony propaganda. Many of these reviewers are familiar with CCP's track record and eve, but still recognize this game is terrible.
You say only a tiny fraction of the community is dissatisfied with it. Metacritic would say otherwise. These forums would say otherwise. Every corporation too lazy to even show up to their PC battles would say otherwise. And I would say you are completely delusional about where you stand in the community. |
Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
230
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:43:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote: And I would say you are delusional about where you stand in the community.
Pst. You're doing it again.
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1683
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:45:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote: Oh I feel loved. Hate? I'm no more hateful than the schmo asking to have a game others find incredibly enjoyable to be turned off because a tiny fraction dislike it. Turning this game off will not make it better. All that'll happen is he'll come back when it's re-released and complain about everything ELSE and claim CCP didn't let us provide feedback. And you know that's how this will play out, because it's the only course of action that could possibly happen.
How can the community provide feedback to ongoing development if the only viable and serious suggestion you give the developers is "Turn it off and don't let us be involved anymore while you tinker behind the scenes, even though everything you've done before is something I've been disappointed with and complained about."
Please don't go tarnishing me with this same brush. I love Dust, I love EVE and I enjoy CCP and what they do. I play at least a few games daily and I have made plenty of posts, suggestions and had plenty of neutral discussion (Those likes didn't generate themselves). But when I see something so mind-numbingly shortsighted, so idiotic in it's purpose and a request that serves nothing and no one other than a self gratifying sense of spite, yeah I lose my faith a little and wonder why people like that are still here.
With the above considered, do you seriously think turning the game off is the right thing to do? If you're answer is still yes, I urge you to uninstall, because this game will never be what you want it to be.
If i'm 'awful' for saying turning off the game is a flat out stupid idea (Not just bad, I genuinely mean downright idiotic), what does that make the people who want to turn the game off and cut off development feedback?
The problem is that as long as this game is available to the average PS3 user, Dust 514 (and CCP) are hurting their reputation and making it less likely for the game to succeed in the long run. Shutting the game down and retooling would give them a chance to fix the problems without having to worry about how the current state of affairs affects the average player perception.
Right now, most players who bother to download the game never come back. They try it out, realize it's an unfinished product, and shut it down... and that's assuming they haven't read the reviews first. If they read the reviews, it's unlikely they will ever bother downloading it in the first place.
To the average player who doesn't read the forums, doesn't play Eve, and has no connection to the New Eden universe, there's no reason to consider Dust 514 anything other than a throwaway half-assed shooter.
Many of us see the potential, and see how the current game doesn't even come close to that potential. We'd rather there be a great game down the line, than have a terrible game right now.
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Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
650
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:47:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote: And I would say you are delusional about where you stand in the community. Pst. You're doing it again.
You believe the majority of people playing the game are content with it when nearly every sign points to the opposite.
You like the game. Congratulations. Nearly everyone casual disagrees with you, and nearly every good player probably wants to disassociate with you on principle.
Yet you have the audacity to call me stupid.
Alright, I'll bite.
How are you not delusional? |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
651
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Posted - 2013.06.21 02:01:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Vallud Eadesso wrote: Oh I feel loved. Hate? I'm no more hateful than the schmo asking to have a game others find incredibly enjoyable to be turned off because a tiny fraction dislike it. Turning this game off will not make it better. All that'll happen is he'll come back when it's re-released and complain about everything ELSE and claim CCP didn't let us provide feedback. And you know that's how this will play out, because it's the only course of action that could possibly happen.
How can the community provide feedback to ongoing development if the only viable and serious suggestion you give the developers is "Turn it off and don't let us be involved anymore while you tinker behind the scenes, even though everything you've done before is something I've been disappointed with and complained about."
Please don't go tarnishing me with this same brush. I love Dust, I love EVE and I enjoy CCP and what they do. I play at least a few games daily and I have made plenty of posts, suggestions and had plenty of neutral discussion (Those likes didn't generate themselves). But when I see something so mind-numbingly shortsighted, so idiotic in it's purpose and a request that serves nothing and no one other than a self gratifying sense of spite, yeah I lose my faith a little and wonder why people like that are still here.
With the above considered, do you seriously think turning the game off is the right thing to do? If you're answer is still yes, I urge you to uninstall, because this game will never be what you want it to be.
If i'm 'awful' for saying turning off the game is a flat out stupid idea (Not just bad, I genuinely mean downright idiotic), what does that make the people who want to turn the game off and cut off development feedback?
The problem is that as long as this game is available to the average PS3 user, Dust 514 (and CCP) are hurting their reputation and making it less likely for the game to succeed in the long run. Shutting the game down and retooling would give them a chance to fix the problems without having to worry about how the current state of affairs affects the average player perception. Right now, most players who bother to download the game never come back. They try it out, realize it's an unfinished product, and shut it down... and that's assuming they haven't read the reviews first. If they read the reviews, it's unlikely they will ever bother downloading it in the first place. To the average player who doesn't read the forums, doesn't play Eve, and has no connection to the New Eden universe, there's no reason to consider Dust 514 anything other than a throwaway half-assed shooter. Many of us see the potential, and see how the current game doesn't even come close to that potential. We'd rather there be a great game down the line, than have a terrible game right now. I'm not entirely convinced that shutting the game down for awhile is the best approach, but I certainly wouldn't say the idea is anywhere close to "idiotic".
Thank you for the well thought out post.
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.21 02:08:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:Jesus. You people will post anything, won't you?
How entitled do you have to be to ask a company to shut down a profitable game because you think have more pretties later.
I just... You know i'm glad you don't run a company.
Weeee Wooooo Weeeee Wooooo
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Dust and profitable should not be used in the same sentence.
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Planetside2 OnPS4
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:02:00 -
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Dust is actually in the red right now. Hopefully the 1.2 will bring profit, as to continue to pay the 28 people devving the game. |
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Luk Manag
of Terror
25
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:12:00 -
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Planetside2 OnPS4 wrote:+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö
Dust is actually in the red right now. Hopefully the 1.2 will bring profit, as to continue to pay the 28 people devving the game.
*citation needed
-I can tell by your name that you would rather recruit shooter MMO players for PS2 - busted! lol
-I think scrapping a project like Dust will not help anything reach the PS4 more quickly. They simply need to develop the in-house talent by trial and error, with active players who are willing and able to provide testing and feedback.
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PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.06.22 05:47:00 -
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Feedback appreciated
Here is what I think
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Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
153
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Posted - 2013.06.22 06:03:00 -
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Nope
they should not do this ... it would be stupid they are gaining so much experience from this making the game
you want them to shut it down and make another dust514 that will be the same or do you want them to grow and learn how to make a good fps game ?
i mean .... FIUKN if you really think that ccp shuting down is going to fix anything your wrong
games get good with experience and time at the moment ccp has time just not the experience
other games are bad because they got rushed by experience game devs but we all started out somewhere right ?
you don't just pick something up and say here have a million dollars do a good job what YOU should do is STOP PLAYING UNTIL PS4 COMES OUT QQ LORDS |
Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
153
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Posted - 2013.06.22 06:04:00 -
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PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4 wrote:
almost opened the link ~
almost |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
62
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Posted - 2013.06.22 07:36:00 -
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I also feel that the thing to do is keep going. Although a lot of feedback has been collected, certainly the continued development, builds and player feedback will help continue to improve the game.
At some point though PS4 development needs to begin in earnest and then it's probably more of a matter of CCP resources and what the development plan is.
Does the game get 'rebuilt' with a different engine and software tools? Or is it migrated from one platfrom to another? What is the CCP development staff looking like at that time - are there more developers? Are the current developers more efficient and so they can effectively continue on with PS3 support and make serious strides on PS4 development?
I think these are questions for CCP to consider. I think shutting down the game, while it will allow them to focus, will have greater negative effects including missing the player feedback, loosing the player base, and perhaps stunting their effectiveness when making the PS4 version.
It's still basically a beta version of a game, and I don't think they have learned everything yet they need to. I think trying to make a PS4 beta version of Dust 514 after shutting down the PS3 version will probably be the nail in the coffin.
I feel like they need to get it right now on the PS3, not only with the game, but with their use of player feedback, their staff priorities and the communication skills....
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Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
679
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Posted - 2013.06.22 09:17:00 -
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Again though, I have to wonder.
If you've watched the BF4 multiplayer trailer, you know the kind of dynamic battlefield stuff that can happen with buildings getting leveled, roads collapsing, etc. That kind of thing just isn't going to be possible on this current client, and because of that it means that it will be limited if it shares the game with the PS4 client.
Is this horrible, barely functional client we are playing on right now really worth severely limiting the future of this game in such a drastic manner? If development continues on it, they will continue to keep it out there as long as possible and it will probably be 5 or 6 years before you even start to see them experimenting with higher player counts and destructible terrain. And that will put them even further behind on optimizations to it.
So why save this abomination of a client? It could greatly advance this game if we just let the client fade away for now. It's not like it's that fun to play anyways. |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
63
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Posted - 2013.06.22 09:41:00 -
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The BF4 trailer is pretty impressive, I have to say. Having Dust with that level of graphics, destructibility, varied terrains and scale of the battles would be epic.
I think it comes down to CCP though, and what they can accomplish. If I had confidence they could put out a version of Dust that was equivalent to the BF4 trailer, then sure - I'd be willing to wait.
But given their development path, communication, skill at listening to player feedback, patch and release timing/choices, followup with help tickets, etc.... if they take this game offline, I'm not sure they'd do much but loose players. Given the reviews thus far, I'm not sure folks would have the confidence to come back and try again (maybe)
I see their best bet as still moving forward on the current platform; I think they really need to generate some player and industry confidence before they fade to black with a "we'll be back in 3 years with a new client, and then we'll show you what's up for real" statement.... |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
206
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Posted - 2013.06.22 10:35:00 -
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If shutting the game down and porting it to the PS4 is a consideration for CCP then a number of things need to be done 1st while they have access to the PS3:
1. They need to complete the necessary balance of the weapons, modules, skills, vehicles etc 2. Complete the introduction of all the basic gear for each race - so it can be tested and balanced 3. Complete and refine the basic gun play and movement mechanics essential to all FPS games
The items listed above can only be done with an active player base providing input and testing each element to destruction as CCP lacks the required experience and knowledge to do it without us. All of these things can be done on the PS3 since they have already programmed for it.
If they shut down now then all of this testing would have to be done on the PS4 with all the negative repercussions that would entail e.g. "This is why this game was shut down on the PS3 why are they repeating the same mistakes on the PS4".
For these reasons I think they need to continue on the PS3. They need to learn how to build a good, not excellent, but good FPS now while they still have the chance before moving onto the PS4.
Moving onto the PS4 now would just result in them making the same mistakes all over again.
Of course the alternative would be to shut the game down and hire a large group of highly skilled and knowledgeable FPS designers to work on the game but that would cost a fortune considering the better designers will be in high demand due to the popularity of FPS games. This would be the only way they could build an FPS game with no player input. |
D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits
219
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Posted - 2013.06.22 10:55:00 -
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they should continue DUST on the PS3 and 2 years after the PS4s release come out with DUST for the PS4.
-Free to play -all the bugs fixed -new player friendly -PS2 and Destiny players will probably get bored with those and be temped to come back to DUST or to experiment with DUST -all features added -a generally complete game.
in this way the company stays in buisness but at the same time has a future beyond 5 months. |
Exardor
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.06.22 11:10:00 -
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Or... with the PS4 Release, the exclusive Deal on Dust 514 falls... and we get a PC - Version. |
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
47
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Posted - 2013.06.22 11:20:00 -
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ccp has been balancing eve for 10 years now and will forever continue do so until it dies. the same will happen for dust. how many "complete fully balanced" games are still being played on mass today from 1 year ago let alone 10. ccp has a 5 year plan for dust currently. you cant expect them to sit on dust for 5 years then release the biggest, most complex fps ever concieved to the public without any player input.
ccp succeeds because the community has a big input into how the games progress. no other games out there do this. if you shut out players for 5 years then there would be no player input and the game will be a mess. ccp releases stuff for us to play with and if it works its advanced, if it doesnt then its dialed back or removed.
its a process thats been working for 10 years now
shutting it down is not an option imo
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