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Your Absolut End
Neanderthal Nation
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Posted - 2013.06.20 20:39:00 -
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Mat Snam wrote:I was under the impression that by activating passive boosters on a alt charachter on a same account works.
ie. Activate the Booster on alt char that doesen't have Active passive SP on and you get the 0.5 times or 50% of the passive SP gain that occusr when the passive SP is on a char.. Since I seem to remember something of this sor being on the Booster descripion text.
I can't acces my PS3 right now to validate this, but this should be easy to do and confirm. Just switch the passive SP gain off of the char that has Passive booster and make note of SP ammount. And wait few minutes and log into that booster char and take a look of SP ammount and compare.
I'm actually doing this right now. Got passive SP Booster on my main but this orange passive sp thing is on my alt. Both of them are gaining passive SP on the same time. Aurum is also available on my alts, I put aurum on my psn account, add aurum to dust and can use this aurum from all of my 3 chracters. |
Mat Snam
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.06.20 21:06:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Mat Snam wrote:Marston VC wrote:Mat Snam wrote:To spend cash on same PSN account or different PSN account doesen't, in my opinion, make any differece. It's money spent anyways. YES but your more inclined to spend more money on your main then on an alt you never play...... Em... alt char on same account or alt char on different account.... what's the difference? You still need to restart game to switch chars and takes about same time to do it either way. And yes people play on those alts and also put cash onto them. the difference is you get passive on a different account alt. thats the point of this whole thread. try reading something before you blab your hair brained opinions
My thought in that was that even IN CASE of proposed training of 3 chars on same account you would still have to exit out the game to switch char and that switching PSN accounts at the same time wouldn't be THAT big of a extra hurdle.
So, pleace do read and think. |
Mat Snam
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.06.20 21:24:00 -
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IF all 3 chars would be able to passively acumulate SP, then what?
Some persieved positives:
-Marston VC proposed that players would spend more cash to get AUR on that particular PSN account. -Makes skilling up multiple chars more convinient and faster, without going into making multipple PSN accounts.
BUT
This does not eliminate the case of where players still make multipple accounts and create 3 alts per account and leave them to lay-low and gather passive SP.
What this entails is more prevalent situation in future, where there is even more of these alt accounts that have been dormant and possibly unused dust chars that have gathered SP passively. Now in due time players would use this to short-cut SP grinding and possibly do something illegal with those accounts.
In 1 years time there would be 3 chars in a alt account that have about 8,6mil SP per char. Thats quite good start on one specialization. |
Fredrikson Revel
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.06.20 22:40:00 -
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3 passive gaining characters would promote more play. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
326
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:39:00 -
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Your Absolut End wrote:Mat Snam wrote:I was under the impression that by activating passive boosters on a alt charachter on a same account works.
ie. Activate the Booster on alt char that doesen't have Active passive SP on and you get the 0.5 times or 50% of the passive SP gain that occusr when the passive SP is on a char.. Since I seem to remember something of this sor being on the Booster descripion text.
I can't acces my PS3 right now to validate this, but this should be easy to do and confirm. Just switch the passive SP gain off of the char that has Passive booster and make note of SP ammount. And wait few minutes and log into that booster char and take a look of SP ammount and compare. I'm actually doing this right now. Got passive SP Booster on my main but this orange passive sp thing is on my alt. Both of them are gaining passive SP on the same time. Aurum is also available on my alts, I put aurum on my psn account, add aurum to dust and can use this aurum from all of my 3 chracters.
how much does the alts make??? Full boosted SP? or .5 of the normal SP? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
210
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:41:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Yup guys, the title says it all. Im pretty sure eve players were recently given the opportunity to start training two characters at a time. Its important to note that they probably still cant play with both characters at the same time, but they can atleast have two accruing passive points. WHICH is huge on eve because many players pay for two accounts just so they can train two characters. Now I realize theres nothing stopping Dust players from just hoarding say..... 10 alt accounts as the game is free to play. But if that's true and players are going to do it anyway, I see no reason why CCP just doesn't give us the ability to passive gain our other characters slots too..... idk maybe that's just me.
YOU NEED ONLY READ THE FIRST PARAGRAPH TO GET THE POINT MY LAZY READERS...... LAZY READERS MUST FLOURISH!!!!! THE REST IS JUST ADDITIONAL INPUT THAT ADDS TO THE ARGUMENT.
To clarify the last statement. "if players are going to 'cheat' and make several alt accounts anyway, CCP might as well just let us passive gain either two or all three of our alt characters" The reason for this is because theres no reason to make it harder to do something a majority of players are going to do anyway. AND if I remember correctly there was a time when you COULD passive gain all three characters if you wanted to.
PLUS its not like passive gaining is even that fast to begin with. It takes several months for a character to earn just a couple million in passive points, and from a business stand point it would be could for CCP to do this because if some of the hardcore players (like me) wanted to gain passive points faster I would put passive boosters on my alt characters, and therefore spend AUR faster, AND in turn have to buy more AUR more often..... Its really win win for everyone in my opinion.....
BTW..... YOU ONLY NEED TO READ THE TOP PARAGRAPH TO GET THE POINT (saving those who don't like to read from..... reading).
Ahhh ive read that you still have to put either A LOT of isk into the second character, OR more money into the second character. Still I think the argument is still valid. Sure you might have to pay more on eve, but passive gaining SP in eve is THE ONLY way to get SP. passive gaining in Dust nets you like 20k per day without a booster so yeah...... proportionally im pretty sure we make A LOT less. AND as stated above it seems like a good business model too.....
Do you have to pay for Dust? |
Selinate deux
DUST University Ivy League
108
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:45:00 -
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Why do people keep comparing this game to Eve? It's F2P. Alts don't serve the same purpose here as they do in Eve, as they shouldn't. Also, CCP's tactics should be completely different in making money off this game when compared to Eve.
Having said that, CCP, you really should allow us to train up more than 1 character at a time on one account since we're not paying for multiple accounts.
Also, I would like to remind you that your encouragement of players (don't be coy, you are encouraging) to have more than one account to play different playstyles in Eve is part of what ruined Eve for so many..
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
328
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:50:00 -
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Mat Snam wrote:IF all 3 chars would be able to passively acumulate SP, then what?
Some persieved positives:
-Marston VC proposed that players would spend more cash to get AUR on that particular PSN account. -Makes skilling up multiple chars more convinient and faster, without going into making multipple PSN accounts.
BUT
This does not eliminate the case of where players still make multipple accounts and create 3 alts per account and leave them to lay-low and gather passive SP.
What this entails is more prevalent situation in future, where there is even more of these alt accounts that have been dormant and possibly unused dust chars that have gathered SP passively. Now in due time players would use this to short-cut SP grinding and possibly do something illegal with those accounts.
In 1 years time there would be 3 chars in a alt account that have about 8,6mil SP per char. Thats quite good start on one specialization.
Yeah but what you forgot to mention is that BECAUSE its a FREE TO PLAY GAME, I can make as many alt psn accounts as I want. Sure if you have three PSN characters and my way is made a thing then you could potentially have 9 toons passive gaining at all times. BUT the big thing your missing is that right now I could do the same exact thing and just make 9 PSN alts. So whats the difference? The fact that I have to spend 30-45 minutes making all these alts for something that should be in the game anyway.
Not to mention the PROS that you mentioned. The more concentrated the toons are, the more money CCP will make because people will be more willing to spend 20$ on one account and have it effect 3 toons, rather then spending 20$ on one used toon, while the other two continue collecting dust.....
Another pro somebody mentioned is that this will promote additional gameplay. Not because you cant have multiple toons passive gaining all ready, but rather because its just easier this way. I don't have to sign out of my main and sift through the multiple alts I have thinking "which one is my tank alt" I just quite the game, re-load it and select the appropriate character.
so like I said before..... plenty of reasons to make this happen, not a single reason not to do this that ive seen yet.
and in regards to your year long thing..... 8.6 million is sort of good, but I mean..... your only going to do one specialization with that much (assuming you can aquire the isk needed for the skill books) AND this is already done in EVE as well. People just pay for several accounts via plexes or real money, and then after a year of training they will actually sell the characters for ISK on the order of BILLIONS...... so yeah.... |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
329
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:12:00 -
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Selinate deux wrote:Why do people keep comparing this game to Eve? It's F2P. Alts don't serve the same purpose here as they do in Eve, as they shouldn't. Also, CCP's tactics should be completely different in making money off this game when compared to Eve.
Having said that, CCP, you really should allow us to train up more than 1 character at a time on one account since we're not paying for multiple accounts.
Also, I would like to remind you that your encouragement of players (don't be coy, you are encouraging) to have more than one account to play different playstyles in Eve is part of what ruined Eve for so many..
EVE in my opinion is a marvelous game and your right on most accounts here. Its FTP and the only difference between my way and the current way is that the second way is more inconvenient......
Your right in that we cant Dual box like people do in EVE but it is a different environment we play in so even if we could dual box I wouldn't see much point in it considering...... its an FPS.... |
Quickgloves
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
601
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Posted - 2013.06.21 03:52:00 -
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ill give a thumb to this OR post |
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Your Absolut End
Neanderthal Nation
102
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Posted - 2013.06.21 08:41:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Your Absolut End wrote:Mat Snam wrote:I was under the impression that by activating passive boosters on a alt charachter on a same account works.
ie. Activate the Booster on alt char that doesen't have Active passive SP on and you get the 0.5 times or 50% of the passive SP gain that occusr when the passive SP is on a char.. Since I seem to remember something of this sor being on the Booster descripion text.
I can't acces my PS3 right now to validate this, but this should be easy to do and confirm. Just switch the passive SP gain off of the char that has Passive booster and make note of SP ammount. And wait few minutes and log into that booster char and take a look of SP ammount and compare. I'm actually doing this right now. Got passive SP Booster on my main but this orange passive sp thing is on my alt. Both of them are gaining passive SP on the same time. Aurum is also available on my alts, I put aurum on my psn account, add aurum to dust and can use this aurum from all of my 3 chracters. how much does the alts make??? Full boosted SP? or .5 of the normal SP?
I can't say it exactly but I think I get 1.5 on my main with passive booster and just regular 1 on the alt with the sp fraggo in the char screen. |
Deranged Disaster
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
225
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Posted - 2013.06.21 08:47:00 -
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Because they pay and you don't. Just make another PSN. |
Ferren Devarri
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.06.21 09:49:00 -
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This was a bit of a stupid maneuver on CCP's part.
They're just adding a nuisance hurdle. You can just get free emails (gmail), free PSN accounts (using those emails), and then more characters training passively at the same time.
Really, I'd like to know how to knock the guy out that's pissing stupid in CCP's coffee some days. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
344
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:11:00 -
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Ferren Devarri wrote:This was a bit of a stupid maneuver on CCP's part.
They're just adding a nuisance hurdle. You can just get free emails (gmail), free PSN accounts (using those emails), and then more characters training passively at the same time.
Really, I'd like to know how to knock the guy out that's pissing stupid in CCP's coffee some days.
lol |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
344
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:12:00 -
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Deranged Disaster wrote:Because they pay and you don't. Just make another PSN.
Lol, thanks for the constructive feedback. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1981
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:19:00 -
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I can sum it up.
CCP is dumb.
They took away passive on alternative slots for some unknown and unspecified reason, but it had to do with booster sales. Forgetting that free alts are just a new PSN away.
This goes up there with "We didn't realize giving 5SP/s compared to a capped 1SP per WP would lead to people afking" dumb. Anectodally, people were spending more AUR on their alts when they were on the same account.
CCP is dumb. |
Vavilia Lysenko
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:26:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Yup guys, the title says it all. Im pretty sure eve players were recently given the opportunity to start training two characters at a time. Its important to note that they probably still cant play with both characters at the same time, but they can atleast have two accruing passive points. WHICH is huge on eve because many players pay for two accounts just so they can train two characters. Now I realize theres nothing stopping Dust players from just hoarding say..... 10 alt accounts as the game is free to play. But if that's true and players are going to do it anyway, I see no reason why CCP just doesn't give us the ability to passive gain our other characters slots too..... idk maybe that's just me.
If you want to activate training another character in EvE (having 2 train at the same time) you must use a PLEX to activate the second character.
If you are using Real world money to buy Plex from CCP or one of the Online retailers, it is more expensive than having two accounts.
The main use I see in EvE is training up new skills that are introduced with some expansions.
Maybe CCP will introduce some sort of Booster that allows passive training on your alts. The again, why would you bother, just make another PSN account.
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
345
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Posted - 2013.06.22 03:45:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:I can sum it up.
CCP is dumb.
They took away passive on alternative slots for some unknown and unspecified reason, but it had to do with booster sales. Forgetting that free alts are just a new PSN away.
This goes up there with "We didn't realize giving 5SP/s compared to a capped 1SP per WP would lead to people afking" dumb. Anectodally, people were spending more AUR on their alts when they were on the same account.
CCP is dumb.
sooooo...... your saying you'd like them to revert back to having all three characters available for passive training? |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
345
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Posted - 2013.06.22 03:47:00 -
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Vavilia Lysenko wrote:Marston VC wrote:Yup guys, the title says it all. Im pretty sure eve players were recently given the opportunity to start training two characters at a time. Its important to note that they probably still cant play with both characters at the same time, but they can atleast have two accruing passive points. WHICH is huge on eve because many players pay for two accounts just so they can train two characters. Now I realize theres nothing stopping Dust players from just hoarding say..... 10 alt accounts as the game is free to play. But if that's true and players are going to do it anyway, I see no reason why CCP just doesn't give us the ability to passive gain our other characters slots too..... idk maybe that's just me. If you want to activate training another character in EvE (having 2 train at the same time) you must use a PLEX to activate the second character. If you are using Real world money to buy Plex from CCP or one of the Online retailers, it is more expensive than having two accounts. The main use I see in EvE is training up new skills that are introduced with some expansions. Maybe CCP will introduce some sort of Booster that allows passive training on your alts. The again, why would you bother, just make another PSN account.
Or I could raise awareness in the forums and maybe one day have my way so that I wont have to........ |
Terry Turner
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.22 19:54:00 -
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OP great points +1 |
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1986
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Posted - 2013.06.22 19:58:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:I can sum it up.
CCP is dumb.
They took away passive on alternative slots for some unknown and unspecified reason, but it had to do with booster sales. Forgetting that free alts are just a new PSN away.
This goes up there with "We didn't realize giving 5SP/s compared to a capped 1SP per WP would lead to people afking" dumb. Anectodally, people were spending more AUR on their alts when they were on the same account.
CCP is dumb. sooooo...... your saying you'd like them to revert back to having all three characters available for passive training?
It would be a smart thing for CCP to do. More likely to spend money on alts if they are on the same PSN yet not gimped. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
347
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Posted - 2013.06.23 04:15:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Marston VC wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:I can sum it up.
CCP is dumb.
They took away passive on alternative slots for some unknown and unspecified reason, but it had to do with booster sales. Forgetting that free alts are just a new PSN away.
This goes up there with "We didn't realize giving 5SP/s compared to a capped 1SP per WP would lead to people afking" dumb. Anectodally, people were spending more AUR on their alts when they were on the same account.
CCP is dumb. sooooo...... your saying you'd like them to revert back to having all three characters available for passive training? It would be a smart thing for CCP to do. More likely to spend money on alts if they are on the same PSN yet not gimped.
^ smart man
I hope others see the point im trying to make! |
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