Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
305
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 15:47:00 -
[1] - Quote
Yup guys, the title says it all. Im pretty sure eve players were recently given the opportunity to start training two characters at a time. Its important to note that they probably still cant play with both characters at the same time, but they can atleast have two accruing passive points. WHICH is huge on eve because many players pay for two accounts just so they can train two characters. Now I realize theres nothing stopping Dust players from just hoarding say..... 10 alt accounts as the game is free to play. But if that's true and players are going to do it anyway, I see no reason why CCP just doesn't give us the ability to passive gain our other characters slots too..... idk maybe that's just me. |
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
29
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 15:48:00 -
[2] - Quote
How can you not like this idea.
One million likes. |
mrunknown2u2
Ill Omens EoN.
116
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 15:50:00 -
[3] - Quote
Marston VC wrote:Yup guys, the title says it all. Im pretty sure eve players were recently given the opportunity to start training two characters at a time. Its important to note that they probably still cant play with both characters at the same time, but they can atleast have two accruing passive points. WHICH is huge on eve because many players pay for two accounts just so they can train two characters. Now I realize theres nothing stopping Dust players from just hoarding say..... 10 alt accounts as the game is free to play. But if that's true and players are going to do it anyway, I see no reason why CCP just doesn't give us the ability to passive gain our other characters slots too..... idk maybe that's just me. Yea I have three accounts gaining passive sp take away the headache of making it only on account its kinda pointless.... Like banning people we just make more accounts all we need is a email address lol |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2762
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 15:51:00 -
[4] - Quote
I'm a little neutral on this matter, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to allow something like this for Dust considering one can make endless accounts on a free-to-play game. |
Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T EoN.
180
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 15:51:00 -
[5] - Quote
yeah, I'll +1 this, now reason not to have them all ticking. Not having it makes the second and third character slots almost pointless |
Oso Peresoso
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
15
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 15:52:00 -
[6] - Quote
In EVE, training two characters on one account costs the same as paying for two accounts. So if you're really asking to have all three character slots training for free, I think CCP will tell you to shove it. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
1071
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 15:52:00 -
[7] - Quote
They allow you to train two characters using the new Dual Training system. You apply a PLEX to your other character and he gains SP (for those that don't know, PLEX is an in-game item that can be purchased with cash that extends your subscription by 30 days). It's the same as slapping an Omega booster on an alt.
So you basically double the cost of your subscription to train two characters instead of having two accounts, which would still cost the same. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
217
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 15:59:00 -
[8] - Quote
Marston VC wrote:Yup guys, the title says it all. Im pretty sure eve players were recently given the opportunity to start training two characters at a time. Its important to note that they probably still cant play with both characters at the same time, but they can atleast have two accruing passive points. WHICH is huge on eve because many players pay for two accounts just so they can train two characters. Now I realize theres nothing stopping Dust players from just hoarding say..... 10 alt accounts as the game is free to play. But if that's true and players are going to do it anyway, I see no reason why CCP just doesn't give us the ability to passive gain our other characters slots too..... idk maybe that's just me.
In earlier builds, we could place passive SP on all three created characters per account but they removed that. A lot of people have created new accounts just to passively accrue SP. They must have felt that having passive on all characters in on account was an abuse.
CCP logic states that "if it isn't broke, break it. If it's broken, it's perfect." |
Bonchu Blunt Rifle
Intergalactic Smooochie
12
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 16:05:00 -
[9] - Quote
I just tried to dual train in EVE and like has already been posted - it ain't free. It costs the same as activating a second account.
So using EVE as an excuse to get dual training in Dust maybe doesn't make a lot of sense (unless the argument is EVE can dual train for the cost of a second account so why can't we - and our accounts are free so...)
It always did strike me as odd to not have passive SP on our other characters since we can just make extra PSN accounts for free. As things stand now this is encouragement to create extra PSN accounts so our alts all get passive SP. The only thing I can think of is maybe they want us to make extra PSN accounts for some reason ... Or maybe sometime in the future our Playstation accounts will not be free (as in maybe we will need to goto plus accounts which has been hinted at for the PS4). |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
317
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 16:24:00 -
[10] - Quote
Money plain and simple.
You can split up AUR on 1 psn account. With an Alt you have to Buy seperate AUR. |
|
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
311
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 16:26:00 -
[11] - Quote
Bonchu Blunt Rifle wrote:I just tried to dual train in EVE and like has already been posted - it ain't free. It costs the same as activating a second account.
So using EVE as an excuse to get dual training in Dust maybe doesn't make a lot of sense (unless the argument is EVE can dual train for the cost of a second account so why can't we - and our accounts are free so...)
It always did strike me as odd to not have passive SP on our other characters since we can just make extra PSN accounts for free. As things stand now this is encouragement to create extra PSN accounts so our alts all get passive SP. The only thing I can think of is maybe they want us to make extra PSN accounts for some reason ... Or maybe sometime in the future our Playstation accounts will not be free (as in maybe we will need to goto plus accounts which has been hinted at for the PS4).
Nah..... you see this is good for them too because if they open up passive skilling on our other characters, hardcore players like me would spend boosters on them, and in turn likely buy more AUR. The eve thing was only one point of the argument, I made three points, so this doesn't undermind the argument at all (though it does dent it a little). |
Spectral Clone
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
30
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 16:26:00 -
[12] - Quote
You can train as many characters as you want in dust. Create alternate accounts, they are free FYI!
You can also put passive boosters on several chars to get passive SP gain. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
439
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 16:30:00 -
[13] - Quote
Amen brother, absolutely no reason to leave passive gain on one character only. |
Karl Koekwaus
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
95
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 16:31:00 -
[14] - Quote
sure, just as long as you pay 20 bucks a month (price of a plex) to activate it. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
314
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 16:43:00 -
[15] - Quote
Darken-Sol wrote:Money plain and simple.
You can split up AUR on 1 psn account. With an Alt you have to Buy seperate AUR.
But that can't be true..... Why would I want to spend 20 dollars on each alt account??? I'd rather just put 60$ on my main so I can actually use some of the extra money on other things too, not just DUST. I mean lets be honest here.....
WHO HERE PUTS MONEY ON TO EACH OF THEIR ALT ACCOUNTS???
And then lets ask a similar question......
WHO HERE WOULD SPEND AUR ON TWO OR ALL THREE OF THEIR ALT CHARACTERS IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TO BUY PASSIVE BOOSTERS FOR THEM???
...... it comes down to people don't want to spend money on non-main accounts. simple as that |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
314
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 16:45:00 -
[16] - Quote
Spectral Clone wrote:You can train as many characters as you want in dust. Create alternate accounts, they are free FYI!
You can also put passive boosters on several chars to get passive SP gain.
What do you mean??? Are you saying I could put a booster on my second or third character and it will magically start training passively? Or are you implying that I should spread 20 dollars out on each of my alt accounts to put boosters on them?? Because if its the third option I can guarantee you that I wont put money on anything but my main account because my main account is the account I..... play on? |
Mat Snam
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
3
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 16:50:00 -
[17] - Quote
I was under the impression that by activating passive boosters on a alt charachter on a same account works.
ie. Activate the Booster on alt char that doesen't have Active passive SP on and you get the 0.5 times or 50% of the passive SP gain that occusr when the passive SP is on a char.. Since I seem to remember something of this sor being on the Booster descripion text.
I can't acces my PS3 right now to validate this, but this should be easy to do and confirm. Just switch the passive SP gain off of the char that has Passive booster and make note of SP ammount. And wait few minutes and log into that booster char and take a look of SP ammount and compare. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
315
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 16:52:00 -
[18] - Quote
Karl Koekwaus wrote:sure, just as long as you pay 20 bucks a month (price of a plex) to activate it.
Not a valid argument, Dust is a free to play game where as EVE isn't. They play 20$ a month to have 1 character passive gain SP, they pay 40$ per month OR the equivalent in isk and they get 2 characters to passive gain.
Comparatively we pay zero dollars a month to passive gain SP on one character. We should in turn pay zero dollars a month to passive gain a second or even a third character.
I would like to point out that passive SP makes up about 2/5 of the total SP you could possibly gain in a week, so its not like it would break the game if people had to alt characters with 2 million SP each on them four months into the game.
I would also like to point out that by having a system like this, people create alt accounts to loophole the 'problem' anyway. In turn this inflates the "unique character numbers" that some websites report are over a million. I wonder how many of those are active let alone unique. IN SHORT why make it more difficult for us to do something that really should have been kept as part of the game to begin with??? Its not for money, as ive explained that three times already, so what is it for??? In my opinion it was, at the time, a decision made so that EVE players would be happy about it. But that's stupid anyway because if im not mistaken a majority of EVE players don't care about Dust to begin with....... |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
317
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 16:53:00 -
[19] - Quote
Marston VC wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Money plain and simple.
You can split up AUR on 1 psn account. With an Alt you have to Buy seperate AUR. But that can't be true..... Why would I want to spend 20 dollars on each alt account??? I'd rather just put 60$ on my main so I can actually use some of the extra money on other things too, not just DUST. I mean lets be honest here..... WHO HERE PUTS MONEY ON TO EACH OF THEIR ALT ACCOUNTS??? And then lets ask a similar question...... WHO HERE WOULD SPEND AUR ON TWO OR ALL THREE OF THEIR ALT CHARACTERS IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TO BUY PASSIVE BOOSTERS FOR THEM??? ...... it comes down to people don't want to spend money on non-main accounts. simple as that
i wouldnt spend a dime on my alts. But many people play their alt like a main. Some have even switched their alt into the main slot.
CCP will take every penny they can get. I had 4 toxin subbies on my mains PSN account. they wouldnt refund for AUR because it didnt make them any money. They offered to move one to a different character on that account. regardless i would have 1 toon with 2 blueprint subbies.
These are the guys who want you to grind for two weeks just to get a 5% bonus to something. All the while commercialing you every match in the warbarge to buy AURUM. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
315
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 16:55:00 -
[20] - Quote
Mat Snam wrote:I was under the impression that by activating passive boosters on a alt charachter on a same account works.
ie. Activate the Booster on alt char that doesen't have Active passive SP on and you get the 0.5 times or 50% of the passive SP gain that comes from the Booster. Since I seem to remember something of this sor being on the Booster descripion text.
I can't acces my PS3 right now to validate this, but this should be easy to do and confirm. Just switch the passive SP gain off of the char that has Passive booster and make note of SP ammount. And wait few minutes and log into that booster char and take a look.
By all means go ahead and do that, but even if its true I still advocate the ability to have all three characters running passively anyway. I mean..... im still looking for a reason they wont just let us do that? Whats the difference between me making two Alt PSN accounts and just having all three of my Dust characters gaining SP? absolutely nothing except its a pain in the ass for the customer to make these alt accounts...... |
|
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
316
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 17:00:00 -
[21] - Quote
Darken-Sol wrote:Marston VC wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Money plain and simple.
You can split up AUR on 1 psn account. With an Alt you have to Buy seperate AUR. But that can't be true..... Why would I want to spend 20 dollars on each alt account??? I'd rather just put 60$ on my main so I can actually use some of the extra money on other things too, not just DUST. I mean lets be honest here..... WHO HERE PUTS MONEY ON TO EACH OF THEIR ALT ACCOUNTS??? And then lets ask a similar question...... WHO HERE WOULD SPEND AUR ON TWO OR ALL THREE OF THEIR ALT CHARACTERS IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TO BUY PASSIVE BOOSTERS FOR THEM??? ...... it comes down to people don't want to spend money on non-main accounts. simple as that i wouldnt spend a dime on my alts. But many people play their alt like a main. Some have even switched their alt into the main slot. CCP will take every penny they can get. I had 4 toxin subbies on my mains PSN account. they wouldnt refund for AUR because it didnt make them any money. They offered to move one to a different character on that account. regardless i would have 1 toon with 2 blueprint subbies. These are the guys who want you to grind for two weeks just to get a 5% bonus to something. All the while commercialing you every match in the warbarge to buy AURUM.
Yes but you still don't get it..... THIS ISN'T MAKING THEM MONEY. Its discouraging players from spending more money on CCP. The reason is, as you stated above, most people 'wouldn't spend a dime on alts' Sure a couple people do..... but I can guarantee they will make more money if people are spending their AUR on three characters in one PSN rather then hoping they spend real money on three PSN's...... You see, the theory is that by opening up the opportunity, more people will spend their AUR faster on their three characters, this would then in turn encourage them to buy more AUR. So what does this mean?
Well it means you and I are happy because we can have three characters passive gaining. And it means CCP is happy because of the increased revenue they would likely get if this were to happen. So what does this mean??? EVERYONES HAPPY |
GeneralButtNaked
ZionTCD
471
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 17:04:00 -
[22] - Quote
Marston VC wrote:
By all means go ahead and do that, but even if its true I still advocate the ability to have all three characters running passively anyway. I mean..... im still looking for a reason they wont just let us do that? Whats the difference between me making two Alt PSN accounts and just having all three of my Dust characters gaining SP? absolutely nothing except its a pain in the ass for the customer to make these alt accounts......
It is a very simple method of revenue generation.
If someone wants to accrue passive SP on their characters, they need to either create a new account, or buy a booster to get the passive running on the alt. Since some people can't be bothered to make new ID's, there is a slight chance that one of them might buy a booster instead.
Not that it matters to me. I already had a bunch of PSN ID's on my PS3 before Dust came out, so I just made accounts for all of them.
|
Mat Snam
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
3
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 17:08:00 -
[23] - Quote
To spend cash on same PSN account or different PSN account doesen't, in my opinion, make any differece. It's money spent anyways. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
318
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 17:13:00 -
[24] - Quote
Mat Snam wrote:To spend cash on same PSN account or different PSN account doesen't, in my opinion, make any differece. It's money spent anyways.
YES but your more inclined to spend more money on your main then on an alt you never play...... |
Mat Snam
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
3
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 17:19:00 -
[25] - Quote
Marston VC wrote:Mat Snam wrote:To spend cash on same PSN account or different PSN account doesen't, in my opinion, make any differece. It's money spent anyways. YES but your more inclined to spend more money on your main then on an alt you never play......
Em... alt char on same account or alt char on different account.... what's the difference? You still need to restart game to switch chars and takes about same time to do it either way.
And yes people play on those alts and also put cash onto them. |
Aramis Madrigal
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
18
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 17:22:00 -
[26] - Quote
Having multiple passive SP slots would be nice. Even if there was a one time fee of ~$20 or so, I would still do it just so that I could keep all of my toons on a single account. An ongoing fee for an additional passive SP tag seems a bit punitive when you can create a PSN ID for free. As it stands now, I have a few alternate PSN IDs, mostly for testing out weapons and such. Additional passive SP slots might also cut down on the calls for SP refunds, because it would be easier to test out new stuff on an alt before spending SP on a main.
Cheers,
Aramis |
Ted Nugget
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
141
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 17:59:00 -
[27] - Quote
I only read the first post. Sorry if someone has already said this, but you can only train two accounts on eve if you use a plex for it right? What I mean by that is you buy a plex using isk or real life money. Then instead of using the plex for more time on the account you can use it for enabling you to train 2 accounts at once. Correct me if I am wrong. |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
318
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 18:15:00 -
[28] - Quote
Mat Snam wrote:Marston VC wrote:Mat Snam wrote:To spend cash on same PSN account or different PSN account doesen't, in my opinion, make any differece. It's money spent anyways. YES but your more inclined to spend more money on your main then on an alt you never play...... Em... alt char on same account or alt char on different account.... what's the difference? You still need to restart game to switch chars and takes about same time to do it either way. And yes people play on those alts and also put cash onto them.
the difference is you get passive on a different account alt. thats the point of this whole thread. try reading something before you blab your hair brained opinions |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
320
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 19:25:00 -
[29] - Quote
Ted Nugget wrote:I only read the first post. Sorry if someone has already said this, but you can only train two accounts on eve if you use a plex for it right? What I mean by that is you buy a plex using isk or real life money. Then instead of using the plex for more time on the account you can use it for enabling you to train 2 accounts at once. Correct me if I am wrong.
correct |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
320
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 19:26:00 -
[30] - Quote
Mat Snam wrote:Marston VC wrote:Mat Snam wrote:To spend cash on same PSN account or different PSN account doesen't, in my opinion, make any differece. It's money spent anyways. YES but your more inclined to spend more money on your main then on an alt you never play...... Em... alt char on same account or alt char on different account.... what's the difference? You still need to restart game to switch chars and takes about same time to do it either way. And yes people play on those alts and also put cash onto them.
its just a pain in the ass to go ahead and make several alt PSN accounts.... I mean there is the whole registration process and all that goes with it. Why cant I just have everything in one place??? The point im trying to make is that theres ZERO reason to not have this, and theres MULTIPLE reasons to have this. That's all. |
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |