So there has been tears over the SP system and rightly so as no one is happy with it, so here lis a unofficial vote on it

So here are the option and when voting please feel free to share any ideas so CCP can see them

1. Keep the current SP system but tweak it a lil to work right i.e. rollover, bigger cap

2. Have a complete passive SP System like EVE Online

Lets hear your voices on it

I will do a count up and update here every so often

only people who are complaining about it, is new players

Sorry to burst your bubble, but this has already been discussed over 50,000 times before, and already had a vote on the sp system.

edit- only people who are complaining about it, is new players

1. Keep the current SP system but tweak it a lil to work right i.e. rollover, bigger cap

It is fascinating that you basically understand how and why this game is dying...yet you and most like you still can't connect the dots.

add a 3rd option. Don't change a thing.

That's because proto vs proto would be expensive and require skill. Why do anything when pubstomping is so easy? It's the players getting pubstomped that complain. It isn't your problem, right? We less than 2mil sp players will just HTFU.

Sorry to tell you this dude but all your deaths are not due to SP and gear. This is from the perspective of a player that is bad at this game in or out of a proto suit.

Sorry to tell you this dude but all your deaths are not due to SP and gear. This is from the perspective of a player that is bad at this game in or out of a proto suit.

I have a Question. How do newer EVE players compenstate for having less SP?

Then you're really.. Really. REALLY bad, bro.

Speak for yourself. I threw on some tryhard proto gear, stats instantly went from a norm of around 8/3 kill-death to an interesting norm of around 24/3 as a norm for decent games.
I think my best kill-death stats for a match today was 27-2 or something like that.

Sorry bro, but out there in the real world of online shooter gaming (not this fantasy carebear lala land that's been built in Dust),
if you (for JUST ONE example) give a player access to twice as much hp than other players have, then throw them into the same match, it matters.
I feel guilty when I wear the tryhard gear in this game.


One and a half more weeks to go, Dust. I said I'd give you 6 weeks, and I'm a gamer of my word.
Problem is, the longer I stick around, the more negative my review of this game becomes whenever people ask me about it.

Maybe I'll see things a lot better when I get even more powerful gear, no?
FYI, I find having ridicustupidly huge power advantages over other players in FPS shooters to be quite boring.... ridiculous.. and...... stupid.


I like a lot of the concept behind Dust514
However, the punishingly painful progression system COUPLED WITH the huge power gaps and interestingly priced cash shop just put too many cons on it for it to ever be worth a recommendation.
Perhaps, things would be different if the game had a lot more content, a lot more fun gameplay, and ran a lot more smoothly but.... it doesn't.

They specialize into one role. Within the first week of playing you can have a pretty good PvP frigate running through lowsec. I remember there being a training plan for a 1-week PvP Rifter somewhere.

They also make friends.

Neither- how about a fully merit based system... where you only earn XP when you complete objectives / kill people. That would remove AFK playing & also ensure people play, because they don't want to be behind. I should be rewarded for playing well- all the time, not until I hit some arbitrary cap!

This passive SP crap is for other noob games, not Dust.

why not just keep this system just remove the weekly sp cap for people who are not up to the same sp level as higher level players

higher level plays can keep pushing them selves ahead of the cap by the 1k wp sp cap

so more or less there is a always growing cap that goes up every week
low level players will not hit the cap any time soon

high level players will continuously push against the cap

When will you get it through your head that the only correct answer is to get rid of the Cap entirely. There is absolutely no point to the SP Cap other than monetary reasons.

Anyone who tells you that to allow for uncapped SP would result in nobody have to make choices and little to no speacialization because everyone would end up a generic supersoldier is functionally ********.

IT still would take 1-3 years with the current level of Content to reach that level at a pace of 40-75M SP/year/. IT takes 6 months to hits 15M with both active and passive running so you do that math on the reality of it happening right away.


Morever SO WHAT? Point of being a supersoldier is the ability to train and become a true mercenary skilled in the art of war and all the disciplines that it contains.


The steadfast desire to play this out like a MMO where players are trying to force everyone into a specialty and then add to this seek to make that specialty a long and tenous grind of greater than a year just to reach a single suit specialty are precisely the reason why new players and veteran alike are leaving.

Without new players to challenge the vets and give them competition they get bored and leave and with new players always being at arms length to someone that they have no control over no matter how much they play creates frustration and a loss of fun along with the desire to stick with it.


So yea get rid of the Cap already it serves no purpose other than shielding bad player behind a time advantage. Sure that maybe a staple of MMO but its not of Shooters and sorry in this regard the shooter community has to be looked to first on this. It doesnt break the game to be able to gain SP at a rapid rate because in the end you can only grow wider not taller.


This was the case in February and honestly CCP just needs to grow a pair and go ahead and get rid of it or continue to see their numbers dwindle. The people who were most willing to put up with this type of grind have already been playing this game because that type of player runs in tight social circles and have either tried Dust or knows someone who has.


#FIllthesac

The game is not about maxing your SP every week... as soon as that is all you care about it gets much more difficult to actually enjoy the game.

If you up the CAP too high it's then all about who can devote the most hours per day... as if people with no lives and no jobs represent the potential income stream that will keep the game alive over the long run.

My vote, let CCP do what they think is right for the game, it is their game, and if they kill it then it's on them and not us.

I have a Question. How do newer EVE players compenstate for having less SP?

They specialize into one role. Within the first week of playing you can have a pretty good PvP frigate running through lowsec. I remember there being a training plan for a 1-week PvP Rifter somewhere.

They also make friends.

I have 16 million SP, the best guns, the best equipment, modules etc,

And this lolgame is still an unbearably dull tedious grind fest.

Imagine the poor noob with half a million and no ISK and no idea what he's doing.

I have always said SP cap for an FPS is dumb. This is not EVE, and anyone who still thinks this is a good idea, quite frankly is dumber than a dumb thing in dumbland.

I have 16 million SP, the best guns, the best equipment, modules etc,

And this lolgame is still an unbearably dull tedious grind fest.

Imagine the poor noob with half a million and no ISK and no idea what he's doing.

I have always said SP cap for an FPS is dumb. This is not EVE, and anyone who still thinks this is a good idea, quite frankly is dumber than a dumb thing in dumbland.

But another thing is the people that can't get on a lot fall behind

True, the no lifers will be able to stomp everyone else.

And then the people who are on 24/7 will be proto everything in no time

And then the people who are on 24/7 will be proto everything in no time

err hello does this not happen right now ??

If there was no SP cap, then yes I would probably be on 50 million SP at least.

So what, at least a noob could if he wanted to, could play and catch me up and be on level terms.

How the hell is he supposed to do that as it is. He cannot. I will always have more.

Then it would be proto AR,Heavies Scout,tank,dropship,LAV and every weapon one person could have no time

But when you have everything then what

Then it would be proto AR,Heavies Scout,tank,dropship,LAV and every weapon one person could have no time

Just leave the SP cap as it is now.CCP has more important things to do as to owerwork the SP cap ewery month

So there has been tears over the SP system and rightly so as no one is happy with it, so here lis a unofficial vote on it

So here are the option and when voting please feel free to share any ideas so CCP can see them

1. Keep the current SP system but tweak it a lil to work right i.e. rollover, bigger cap

2. Have a complete passive SP System like EVE Online

Lets hear your voices on it

I will do a count up and update here every so often

Yeah, again, I'd have more ability to go with CCPs view than the self-serving views expressed by people here.

No cap like other games

No cap.