DUST Search - [UNOFFICIAL VOTE] SP System Do You Want?

General Technique wrote:

Zahle Undt wrote:

Brutus Va'Khan wrote:

Geth Massredux wrote:

Sorry to burst your bubble, but this has already been discussed over 50,000 times before, and already had a vote on the sp system.

edit- only people who are complaining about it, is new players

That's because proto vs proto would be expensive and require skill. Why do anything when pubstomping is so easy? It's the players getting pubstomped that complain. It isn't your problem, right? We less than 2mil sp players will just HTFU.

Sorry to tell you this dude but all your deaths are not due to SP and gear. This is from the perspective of a player that is bad at this game in or out of a proto suit.

Then you're really.. Really. REALLY bad, bro.

Speak for yourself. I threw on some tryhard proto gear, stats instantly went from a norm of around 8/3 kill-death to an interesting norm of around 24/3 as a norm for decent games.
I think my best kill-death stats for a match today was 27-2 or something like that.

Sorry bro, but out there in the real world of online shooter gaming (not this fantasy carebear lala land that's been built in Dust),
if you (for JUST ONE example) give a player access to twice as much hp than other players have, then throw them into the same match, it matters.
I feel guilty when I wear the tryhard gear in this game.

One and a half more weeks to go, Dust. I said I'd give you 6 weeks, and I'm a gamer of my word.
Problem is, the longer I stick around, the more negative my review of this game becomes whenever people ask me about it.

Maybe I'll see things a lot better when I get even more powerful gear, no?
FYI, I find having ridicustupidly huge power advantages over other players in FPS shooters to be quite boring.... ridiculous.. and...... stupid.

I like a lot of the concept behind Dust514
However, the punishingly painful progression system COUPLED WITH the huge power gaps and interestingly priced cash shop just put too many cons on it for it to ever be worth a recommendation.
Perhaps, things would be different if the game had a lot more content, a lot more fun gameplay, and ran a lot more smoothly but.... it doesn't.

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StarCrash II The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 12	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:28:00 - [1] - Quote So there has been tears over the SP system and rightly so as no one is happy with it, so here lis a unofficial vote on it So here are the option and when voting please feel free to share any ideas so CCP can see them 1. Keep the current SP system but tweak it a lil to work right i.e. rollover, bigger cap 2. Have a complete passive SP System like EVE Online Lets hear your voices on it I will do a count up and update here every so often
StarCrash II The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 12	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:28:00 - [2] - Quote Reserved
StarCrash II The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 12	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:29:00 - [3] - Quote Reserved
Benari Kalidima Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:30:00 - [4] - Quote add a 3rd option. Don't change a thing. You should make a survey/poll on google docs. It's quite nice.
hooc order Deep Space Republic 405	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:30:00 - [5] - Quote StarCrash II wrote: So there has been tears over the SP system and rightly so as no one is happy with it, so here lis a unofficial vote on it So here are the option and when voting please feel free to share any ideas so CCP can see them 1. Keep the current SP system but tweak it a lil to work right i.e. rollover, bigger cap 2. Have a complete passive SP System like EVE Online Lets hear your voices on it I will do a count up and update here every so often ummm Where can i vote to eliminate it entirely? .... Note: CCPs current solution is the matchmaking system....you might want to add that one in there as well....you know allowing people to vote for the actual change we are going to get rather then pie in the sky stuff we will never get.
Geth Massredux Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 407	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:30:00 - [6] - Quote Sorry to burst your bubble, but this has already been discussed over 50,000 times before, and already had a vote on the sp system. edit- only people who are complaining about it, is new players
hooc order Deep Space Republic 405	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:35:00 - [7] - Quote Geth Massredux wrote: only people who are complaining about it, is new players It is fascinating that you basically understand how and why this game is dying...yet you and most like you still can't connect the dots.
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 225	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:45:00 - [8] - Quote I vote option #2
Brutus Va'Khan Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:48:00 - [9] - Quote Geth Massredux wrote: Sorry to burst your bubble, but this has already been discussed over 50,000 times before, and already had a vote on the sp system. edit- only people who are complaining about it, is new players That's because proto vs proto would be expensive and require skill. Why do anything when pubstomping is so easy? It's the players getting pubstomped that complain. It isn't your problem, right? We less than 2mil sp players will just HTFU.
Thumb Green THE STAR BORN Dark Taboo 125	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:48:00 - [10] - Quote StarCrash II wrote: 1. Keep the current SP system but tweak it a lil to work right i.e. rollover, bigger cap I'd vote for this one I think if it were completly passive like in EVE there'd just be one less incentive for people to play. DUST doesn't have all the things to do like EVE does. It's just run around & kill or get killed; there are other games like that which have better mechanics and are less buggy. Also if I recall correctly one of the Devs said we would be getting the rollover. I want to say it was Foxfour but I can't really remember who said it and I could be completely wrong about them actually saying it (could have been a "we'll look into it").

TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1011	Posted - 2013.06.18 23:00:00 - [11] - Quote Rollover SP system. /thread
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 373	Posted - 2013.06.18 23:04:00 - [12] - Quote hooc order wrote: Geth Massredux wrote: only people who are complaining about it, is new players It is fascinating that you basically understand how and why this game is dying...yet you and most like you still can't connect the dots. Dust is Dying, ohnoes, did you know that Eve has been dying for 10 years now? I bet Dust will be dying for the next 10 too.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 295	Posted - 2013.06.18 23:09:00 - [13] - Quote The answers to your vote are biased, you need the option to keep the current system with no change, and a vote for no SP cap.
GVGMODE GVGMODE. 5	Posted - 2013.06.18 23:13:00 - [14] - Quote where is the vote to remove the cap
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 799	Posted - 2013.06.18 23:13:00 - [15] - Quote Benari Kalidima wrote: add a 3rd option. Don't change a thing. This is my vote. Its not perfect but it works, there are bigger fish to fry at the moment.
Zahle Undt The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 209	Posted - 2013.06.18 23:27:00 - [16] - Quote Brutus Va'Khan wrote: Geth Massredux wrote: Sorry to burst your bubble, but this has already been discussed over 50,000 times before, and already had a vote on the sp system. edit- only people who are complaining about it, is new players That's because proto vs proto would be expensive and require skill. Why do anything when pubstomping is so easy? It's the players getting pubstomped that complain. It isn't your problem, right? We less than 2mil sp players will just HTFU. Sorry to tell you this dude but all your deaths are not due to SP and gear. This is from the perspective of a player that is bad at this game in or out of a proto suit.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1665	Posted - 2013.06.18 23:27:00 - [17] - Quote Keep the current system, our players have no patience for 100% passive (btw, eve's passive gives the same SP per hour as our's does)
Skipper Jones ZionTCD 140	Posted - 2013.06.18 23:32:00 - [18] - Quote 1.
hooc order Deep Space Republic 406	Posted - 2013.06.18 23:47:00 - [19] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Brutus Va'Khan wrote: Geth Massredux wrote: Sorry to burst your bubble, but this has already been discussed over 50,000 times before, and already had a vote on the sp system. edit- only people who are complaining about it, is new players That's because proto vs proto would be expensive and require skill. Why do anything when pubstomping is so easy? It's the players getting pubstomped that complain. It isn't your problem, right? We less than 2mil sp players will just HTFU. Sorry to tell you this dude but all your deaths are not due to SP and gear. This is from the perspective of a player that is bad at this game in or out of a proto suit. It really only takes one Pub stomping by horrible carried players for a new player to leave. Getting beat by good play does not bother me. "Oh i see what he did..GG...now i know what i need to do to win" Getting killed by some idiot bunny hopping in an open area while your shots only take down his shields by 25% and then realizing you will have to do this for months...well that is something completely different. The stats pages shows about a 1000 new character are made at peak hour for this game every day...many more during the other hours of the day....yet over the past month the number of peak hour players has dropped by 4000 players. Take a wild guess what those new players are doing after their first PuB stomping and why they don't do the same thing with any other FPS on the market. ... Right in front of your eyes yet you refuse to see.
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 225	Posted - 2013.06.19 00:08:00 - [20] - Quote Option 1. Keep it the same. Option 2. Make it like EVE Online Option 3. No Cap at all Option 4. Larger Cap do get more for what you do.

General Technique Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 55	Posted - 2013.06.19 00:13:00 - [21] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Brutus Va'Khan wrote: Geth Massredux wrote: Sorry to burst your bubble, but this has already been discussed over 50,000 times before, and already had a vote on the sp system. edit- only people who are complaining about it, is new players That's because proto vs proto would be expensive and require skill. Why do anything when pubstomping is so easy? It's the players getting pubstomped that complain. It isn't your problem, right? We less than 2mil sp players will just HTFU. Sorry to tell you this dude but all your deaths are not due to SP and gear. This is from the perspective of a player that is bad at this game in or out of a proto suit. Then you're really.. Really. REALLY bad, bro. Speak for yourself. I threw on some tryhard proto gear, stats instantly went from a norm of around 8/3 kill-death to an interesting norm of around 24/3 as a norm for decent games. I think my best kill-death stats for a match today was 27-2 or something like that. Sorry bro, but out there in the real world of online shooter gaming (not this fantasy carebear lala land that's been built in Dust), if you (for JUST ONE example) give a player access to twice as much hp than other players have, then throw them into the same match, it matters. I feel guilty when I wear the tryhard gear in this game. One and a half more weeks to go, Dust. I said I'd give you 6 weeks, and I'm a gamer of my word. Problem is, the longer I stick around, the more negative my review of this game becomes whenever people ask me about it. Maybe I'll see things a lot better when I get even more powerful gear, no? FYI, I find having ridicustupidly huge power advantages over other players in FPS shooters to be quite boring.... ridiculous.. and...... stupid. I like a lot of the concept behind Dust514 However, the punishingly painful progression system COUPLED WITH the huge power gaps and interestingly priced cash shop just put too many cons on it for it to ever be worth a recommendation. Perhaps, things would be different if the game had a lot more content, a lot more fun gameplay, and ran a lot more smoothly but.... it doesn't.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1932	Posted - 2013.06.19 00:15:00 - [22] - Quote 2. so the Devs can see how many people would actually log in if they didn't have to grind...
Brutus Va'Khan Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 33	Posted - 2013.06.19 01:51:00 - [23] - Quote Actually I've come to a realization of why the cap is fine as is; it only wastes 2 days a week to hit it, and it allows me to play other games. Better games. Dust is still in beta for me. Until it really gets out, I don't mind the small cap.
Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 5	Posted - 2013.06.19 02:01:00 - [24] - Quote I have a Question. How do newer EVE players compenstate for having less SP?
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1014	Posted - 2013.06.19 02:03:00 - [25] - Quote Colonel Killar wrote: I have a Question. How do newer EVE players compenstate for having less SP? They specialize into one role. Within the first week of playing you can have a pretty good PvP frigate running through lowsec. I remember there being a training plan for a 1-week PvP Rifter somewhere. They also make friends.
Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 5	Posted - 2013.06.19 02:03:00 - [26] - Quote General Technique wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Brutus Va'Khan wrote: Geth Massredux wrote: Sorry to burst your bubble, but this has already been discussed over 50,000 times before, and already had a vote on the sp system. edit- only people who are complaining about it, is new players That's because proto vs proto would be expensive and require skill. Why do anything when pubstomping is so easy? It's the players getting pubstomped that complain. It isn't your problem, right? We less than 2mil sp players will just HTFU. Sorry to tell you this dude but all your deaths are not due to SP and gear. This is from the perspective of a player that is bad at this game in or out of a proto suit. Then you're really.. Really. REALLY bad, bro. Speak for yourself. I threw on some tryhard proto gear, stats instantly went from a norm of around 8/3 kill-death to an interesting norm of around 24/3 as a norm for decent games. I think my best kill-death stats for a match today was 27-2 or something like that. Sorry bro, but out there in the real world of online shooter gaming (not this fantasy carebear lala land that's been built in Dust), if you (for JUST ONE example) give a player access to twice as much hp than other players have, then throw them into the same match, it matters. I feel guilty when I wear the tryhard gear in this game. One and a half more weeks to go, Dust. I said I'd give you 6 weeks, and I'm a gamer of my word. Problem is, the longer I stick around, the more negative my review of this game becomes whenever people ask me about it. Maybe I'll see things a lot better when I get even more powerful gear, no? FYI, I find having ridicustupidly huge power advantages over other players in FPS shooters to be quite boring.... ridiculous.. and...... stupid. I like a lot of the concept behind Dust514 However, the punishingly painful progression system COUPLED WITH the huge power gaps and interestingly priced cash shop just put too many cons on it for it to ever be worth a recommendation. Perhaps, things would be different if the game had a lot more content, a lot more fun gameplay, and ran a lot more smoothly but.... it doesn't. And when it fills all of the last catagories? (content,gameplay,etc)
Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 5	Posted - 2013.06.19 02:08:00 - [27] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Colonel Killar wrote: I have a Question. How do newer EVE players compenstate for having less SP? They specialize into one role. Within the first week of playing you can have a pretty good PvP frigate running through lowsec. I remember there being a training plan for a 1-week PvP Rifter somewhere. They also make friends. And just think if people in dust did this, oh wait some of us don't lone wolf and we do spend SP wisely too Option 1 give a roll over cap that compenstes for the time that they haven't played dust allowing new players to join and eventually be of equal standing with vets
Severance Pay Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 398	Posted - 2013.06.19 02:23:00 - [28] - Quote I think DUST is lacking in support for new players. The academy is great to seperate noobs from vets for a time, but they learn nothing, they earn nothing, and they stilll don't advance fast enough to catch up to vets. The new matchmaking will improve on seperating noibs from vets in public matches, but they need a proper tutorial to teach them about the game and they stilk need a means to gain isk and sp fast enough to become competitive on our level before vets are too far out of reach. There also needs to be midrange content so people dont get bored with sp grinding But most of all FIX THE BUGS!
Jammer Jalapeno BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 32	Posted - 2013.06.19 02:34:00 - [29] - Quote I just got used to it....keep it the way it is.
element0mega Elements Of Death Elite Omega Commission 40	Posted - 2013.06.19 02:38:00 - [30] - Quote Neither- how about a fully merit based system... where you only earn XP when you complete objectives / kill people. That would remove AFK playing & also ensure people play, because they don't want to be behind. I should be rewarded for playing well- all the time, not until I hit some arbitrary cap! This passive SP crap is for other noob games, not Dust.



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