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Gruul Upgrayedd
D3LTA ACADEMY
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:33:00 -
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Here's my justification, I have played way more GTA than COD on my consoles. So what if I wanna drive around and run people over. Driving is a skill too, just because I can't shoot a gun as well as other people why do I get so much hate for doing what I'm better at. I support with logi and run people over with my bpo lav. Sue me for doing what I can. I just want to hear someone's justification for saying it takes 0 skill to drive |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2736
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:35:00 -
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There is no justification for people who complain about getting run over. Whatever happen to that old school teaching of look both ways before crossing the street? |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3888
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:38:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:There is no justification for people who complain about getting run over. Whatever happen to that old school teaching of look both ways before crossing the street? This is the problem with these forums.
Instead of looking at an issue statistically and logically, it's much easier to say "working as intended" and forget about it.
Killing a super soldier in futuristic power armor with nothing more than a slight tap from your car is absurd at best. Why not grab the car and flip to the side, or over it? Hell, even under it. Grab the hood and lift your legs, you've got POWER ARMOR. Hell, heavies should be able to hold back an LAV if it's only just starting to accelerate.
The real issue here is that the only fix to this is either remove collision damage (lol), reduce collision damage (lol), or program in actual movement physics other than sprint and jump. Oh, and drastically lower the free LAV HP buff / remove free LAVs, and slightly tone back LLAV HP since they're a bit stronger than HAV's in many instances when it comes to survivability. |
Oso Peresoso
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:41:00 -
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Just don't complain when a roast you with an AV nade. I'd feel a lot better about getting run over if I knew the vehicle that hit me took a bit of damage too, based on the mass of the dropsuit. You've seen pictures of jeeps that have hit deer at 40mph ? yeah, something like that. LAVs are not tanks, neither are they monstertrucks or snowplows. Heh, maybe add a mod to let you mitigate impact damage. And give it a snowplow graphic. Heh heh. |
4447
Not Guilty EoN.
750
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:41:00 -
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It's not the driving to kill but it's the map layouts.
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Kalante Schiffer
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
313
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:42:00 -
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i just destroy them. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
508
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:43:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:There is no justification for people who complain about getting run over. Whatever happen to that old school teaching of look both ways before crossing the street?
This is just complete idiocy. Sound bugs, RADAR bugs, and the sheer number of mongoloid lav drivers are justification enough. Not to mention the ridiculous EHP that LLAVs currently have.
Regardless, the LAV problem is just another example of how Dust is such a poor shooter. When it's more efficient to run people over than it is to shoot them, your game is trash.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2737
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:45:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:There is no justification for people who complain about getting run over. Whatever happen to that old school teaching of look both ways before crossing the street? Why not grab the car and flip to the side, or over it? Hell, even under it. Grab the hood and lift your legs, you've got POWER ARMOR. Hell, heavies should be able to hold back an LAV if it's only just starting to accelerate.
That sounds like fun. Still allow LAVs to run you over but make it fun for you to counter it.
At least I agree on one thing here. LAVs shouldn't be able to kill you while just beginning to accelerate. It makes no sense that I die to a massive object traveling at under 2 MPH. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
206
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:46:00 -
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Gruul Upgrayedd wrote:Here's my justification, I have played way more GTA than COD on my consoles. So what if I wanna drive around and run people over. Driving is a skill too, just because I can't shoot a gun as well as other people why do I get so much hate for doing what I'm better at. I support with logi and run people over with my bpo lav. Sue me for doing what I can. I just want to hear someone's justification for saying it takes 0 skill to drive
People look for immersion in their games, simulations of how scenarios and wars, battles, combat should work out.
At no point in history has it ever been viable to drive a light attack vehicle at, and run over a target. If anything an HMG should be able to take you out, if not the specialised grenades that are designed to destroy such vehicles.
Issue I think most pople find is the incredibly high EHP of the Logi LAV making it too difficult to take you down, its also that most LAV pilots can get to places with their vehicles that they are not supposed to be able to. |
Felix Faraday
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
87
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:47:00 -
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Not to mention, the amount of places a determined LAV driver can get to... is quite amusing. It isn't just people people out in the open that are getting hit. I've pulled of some pretty funny roadkill locations. Very amusing to me.
I'd like to hear the "justification" for redline tanks. If you fly here, you're fine. But ooooone foot over, and you're dropship/dropsuit goes BOOM.
Not everything is grounded in reality/physics. |
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2737
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:48:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:There is no justification for people who complain about getting run over. Whatever happen to that old school teaching of look both ways before crossing the street? This is just complete idiocy. Sound bugs, RADAR bugs, and the sheer number of mongoloid lav drivers are justification enough. Not to mention the ridiculous EHP that LLAVs currently have. Regardless, the LAV problem is just another example of how Dust is such a poor shooter. When it's more efficient to run people over than it is to shoot them, your game is trash.
It's still a valid tactic. Just like sniping from the MCC, or tank sniping from the hills, it's still a valid tactic. Wouldn't you run over your enemy if he just so happen to be standing in front of you? |
Brutus Va'Khan
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:48:00 -
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The trick is to run TOWARDS the LAVs and get onto their side. They can only run you over if you're in front or behind them. Most newbies will drive in circles around you as long as you keep strafing. Try shooting at the driver while doing this. Or toss an av grenade.
Even I can outpace LAVs like this. And I'm a heavy. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
206
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:50:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Abron Garr wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:There is no justification for people who complain about getting run over. Whatever happen to that old school teaching of look both ways before crossing the street? This is just complete idiocy. Sound bugs, RADAR bugs, and the sheer number of mongoloid lav drivers are justification enough. Not to mention the ridiculous EHP that LLAVs currently have. Regardless, the LAV problem is just another example of how Dust is such a poor shooter. When it's more efficient to run people over than it is to shoot them, your game is trash. It's still a valid tactic. Just like sniping from the MCC, or tank sniping from the hills, it's still a valid tactic. Wouldn't you run over your enemy if he just so happen to be standing in front of you?
Yes but you would not or could not intentionally seek them out to do this that is not the designation nor intended purpose of light attack vehicles. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3888
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:50:00 -
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Why don't we just make dropsuits out of whatever it is they're making LAVs out of?
I've never seen a car take the kind of beatings that LAVs do, let's just adopt that material and we'll be alright. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
509
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Posted - 2013.06.18 20:01:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Abron Garr wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:There is no justification for people who complain about getting run over. Whatever happen to that old school teaching of look both ways before crossing the street? This is just complete idiocy. Sound bugs, RADAR bugs, and the sheer number of mongoloid lav drivers are justification enough. Not to mention the ridiculous EHP that LLAVs currently have. Regardless, the LAV problem is just another example of how Dust is such a poor shooter. When it's more efficient to run people over than it is to shoot them, your game is trash. It's still a valid tactic. Just like sniping from the MCC, or tank sniping from the hills, it's still a valid tactic. Wouldn't you run over your enemy if he just so happen to be standing in front of you?
Please tell me you realize every comparison you just made illustrates the depth of Dust's garbage game play...
There aren't legions of blueberries just standing in the open for entire fights. LAV drivers are purposely driving around to mow others down. When you see LLAVs climbing stairs, hills and ramps to get at people, you realize that the "people just standing there" argument is full of crap. If you had to hit someone at full speed to kill them you might have a point, but the current mechanics are a joke and encourage murdertaxi. |
Dao Ferret
BetaMax. CRONOS.
55
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Posted - 2013.06.18 20:24:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Why don't we just make dropsuits out of whatever it is they're making LAVs out of?
I've never seen a car take the kind of beatings that LAVs do, let's just adopt that material and we'll be alright.
They make them out of recycled Lamposts.
(added link to the requisite thread for those who might not have been there) |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3890
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Posted - 2013.06.18 20:26:00 -
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Dao Ferret wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Why don't we just make dropsuits out of whatever it is they're making LAVs out of?
I've never seen a car take the kind of beatings that LAVs do, let's just adopt that material and we'll be alright. The make them out of recycled Lamposts. (added link to the requisite thread for those who might not have been there)
LAVs, the new bane of dropships everywhere |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2741
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Posted - 2013.06.18 20:40:00 -
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I never said that a bunch of blueberries are standing still except for the ones that sit around and do absolutely nothing but AFK in the MCC. Some tactics I don't like, but in the context of New Eden, any tactic is a valid tactic no matter how lame it is. I don't see too many folks complaining about me bring a knife to a gunfight so why should I complain about folks bringing a murder taxi to the same fight? Be glad that dropships are no longer literally living up to their name.
In Eve Online, there was a player that took down a Megathron with just an Iteron V all by himself and no one complained about that. Plenty of people complained about mining ships bring mercilessly ganked, but everyone else didn't mind it because we all know that anything goes in New Eden. |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1645
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Posted - 2013.06.18 20:51:00 -
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LLAV drivers can't play support. The vehicle rep tool is buggy and CCP doesn't give out WP's for using it.
CCP does however give out points for running people over.
If you skilled deep into vehicles for Uprising about the only thing you can do for points is drive the LLAV.
In that way it's got the same problems as the dropship. You can only get points for killing. All other missions are a waste of time and ISK.
Now before you go crying that it's so easy to roadkill let me tell you that 5mph kills don't exist. I have to be moving a a good clip to do any damage and I often get partial damage on a merc and they manage to get away.
Additionally the LAV now comes to a complete halt upon hitting a suit at anything much under full speed. The physics here are pretty good.
Driving for kills does involve skill, just like wielding your AR. Those getting 10+ kills per match are pretty good drivers who have learned to find and target their kills. Yes it is an unconventional weapon and that means it's complained about just like every other niche weapon. Plenty of people cried over the MD which was a skilled but niche weapon and got it nerfed, and I see the same thought process here with LAVs.
The LLAV does need to be tuff if it is to fill its support role, so if you nerf that now it won't ever be useful for anything ever.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3891
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Posted - 2013.06.18 20:54:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Now before you go crying that it's so easy to roadkill let me tell you that 5mph kills don't exist.
I disagree. I like to take my basic LAV with some armor plates and literally just back up and move forward in circles around a spawn cluster of reds, hilarity ensues I assure you, and I do little more than bump into these poor fools |
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Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2013.06.18 20:58:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I never said that a bunch of blueberries are standing still except for the ones that sit around and do absolutely nothing but AFK in the MCC. Some tactics I don't like, but in the context of New Eden, any tactic is a valid tactic no matter how lame it is. I don't see too many folks complaining about me bring a knife to a gunfight so why should I complain about folks bringing a murder taxi to the same fight? Be glad that dropships are no longer literally living up to their name.
In Eve Online, there was a player that took down a Megathron with just an Iteron V all by himself and no one complained about that. Plenty of people complained about mining ships bring mercilessly ganked, but everyone else didn't mind it because we all know that anything goes in New Eden.
Things change in New Eden all the time. EVE is a sandbox, Dust in it's current state, is not. And btw, mining barges and exhumers received a buff, just saying.
Explain to me how dropship and tank spam needed to be eliminated, but LAV spam is valid? |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1645
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Posted - 2013.06.18 21:00:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Skihids wrote:Now before you go crying that it's so easy to roadkill let me tell you that 5mph kills don't exist.
I disagree. I like to take my basic LAV with some armor plates and literally just back up and move forward in circles around a spawn cluster of reds, hilarity ensues I assure you, and I do little more than bump into these poor fools
Then maybe I need to add armor plates because I only nick shields if I'm running that slow. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.06.18 21:08:00 -
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Running people over is disgusting right now. No skill, just plain weird right now. You should be ashamed of yourself, are people going to stop, no. I avoid them expertly, its only when they don't appear on the map that kills me. Anyways, have fun for now driving around being idiots. |
Gruul Upgrayedd
D3LTA ACADEMY
12
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Posted - 2013.06.18 21:13:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:There is no justification for people who complain about getting run over. Whatever happen to that old school teaching of look both ways before crossing the street? This is the problem with these forums. Instead of looking at an issue statistically and logically, it's much easier to say "working as intended" and forget about it. Killing a super soldier in futuristic power armor with nothing more than a slight tap from your car is absurd at best. Why not grab the car and flip to the side, or over it? Hell, even under it. Grab the hood and lift your legs, you've got POWER ARMOR. Hell, heavies should be able to hold back an LAV if it's only just starting to accelerate. The real issue here is that the only fix to this is either remove collision damage (lol), reduce collision damage (lol), or program in actual movement physics other than sprint and jump. Oh, and drastically lower the free LAV HP buff / remove free LAVs, and slightly tone back LLAV HP since they're a bit stronger than HAV's in many instances when it comes to survivability. Hey bro lets gloss over the fair or unfair discussion for a second. That wasn't even my point. My point is I am better at and have MORE FUN driving an LAV than getting blown up by core flaylocks and duvolles all day. In the end its not just an fps, there are other options than running and gunning and it would be ludicrous not to use them as intended. And when people are using nanotechnology and shields and stuff the realistic argument goes out the window so I'm not buying that bs. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3893
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Posted - 2013.06.18 21:19:00 -
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Gruul Upgrayedd wrote:And when people are using nanotechnology and shields and stuff the realistic argument goes out the window so I'm not buying that bs.
Because **** physics. Shotguns should shoot across the map cuz that would be wicked fun |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1645
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Posted - 2013.06.18 21:32:00 -
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The physics is pretty close. The dropsuit isn't powered armor after all. Take a look at the Caldari Assault suit and you will see mostly fabric with a few hard plates. I don't see any power augmentation on it.
If something like that got caught under a (relatively) heavy vehicle the owner would come to some serious harm. Yes there may be a freak rl accident where someone survived a 50mph hit with a few bruises, but I'm not using that as an excuse to go play on the freeway. |
Gruul Upgrayedd
D3LTA ACADEMY
12
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Posted - 2013.06.18 22:39:00 -
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Skihids wrote:The physics is pretty close. The dropsuit isn't powered armor after all. Take a look at the Caldari Assault suit and you will see mostly fabric with a few hard plates. I don't see any power augmentation on it.
If something like that got caught under a (relatively) heavy vehicle the owner would come to some serious harm. Yes there may be a freak rl accident where someone survived a 50mph hit with a few bruises, but I'm not using that as an excuse to go play on the freeway. Caldaris have shields, shields run on some form of electricity, your argument is invalid. Everything in this game is powered by some unknown futuristic power source |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2745
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Posted - 2013.06.18 23:39:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:I never said that a bunch of blueberries are standing still except for the ones that sit around and do absolutely nothing but AFK in the MCC. Some tactics I don't like, but in the context of New Eden, any tactic is a valid tactic no matter how lame it is. I don't see too many folks complaining about me bring a knife to a gunfight so why should I complain about folks bringing a murder taxi to the same fight? Be glad that dropships are no longer literally living up to their name.
In Eve Online, there was a player that took down a Megathron with just an Iteron V all by himself and no one complained about that. Plenty of people complained about mining ships bring mercilessly ganked, but everyone else didn't mind it because we all know that anything goes in New Eden. Things change in New Eden all the time. EVE is a sandbox, Dust in it's current state, is not. And btw, mining barges and exhumers received a buff, just saying. Explain to me how dropship and tank spam needed to be eliminated, but LAV spam is valid?
Lol @ buffed mining ships
I still see them getting ganked and destroyed on a daily basis. The buff stopped no one and the goons kept on burning Jita.
As for the second part, I didn't say they needed to be eliminated. Considering how whiney you are about LAVs running people over, I felt now was the time to bring up the fact that you would be rage quitting if tank spamming and dropship derping weren't changed. I didn't mind getting crushed to be honest. I guess I'm a masochist.
By the way, you're talking to a dedicated Eve player who gets a kick out of seeing pure mayhem. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2013.06.19 00:24:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Abron Garr wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:I never said that a bunch of blueberries are standing still except for the ones that sit around and do absolutely nothing but AFK in the MCC. Some tactics I don't like, but in the context of New Eden, any tactic is a valid tactic no matter how lame it is. I don't see too many folks complaining about me bring a knife to a gunfight so why should I complain about folks bringing a murder taxi to the same fight? Be glad that dropships are no longer literally living up to their name.
In Eve Online, there was a player that took down a Megathron with just an Iteron V all by himself and no one complained about that. Plenty of people complained about mining ships bring mercilessly ganked, but everyone else didn't mind it because we all know that anything goes in New Eden. Things change in New Eden all the time. EVE is a sandbox, Dust in it's current state, is not. And btw, mining barges and exhumers received a buff, just saying. Explain to me how dropship and tank spam needed to be eliminated, but LAV spam is valid? Lol @ buffed mining ships I still see them getting ganked and destroyed on a daily basis. The buff stopped no one and the goons kept on burning Jita. As for the second part, I didn't say they needed to be eliminated. Considering how whiney you are about LAVs running people over, I felt now was the time to bring up the fact that you would be rage quitting if tank spamming and dropship derping weren't changed. I didn't mind getting crushed to be honest. I guess I'm a masochist. By the way, you're talking to a dedicated Eve player who gets a kick out of seeing pure mayhem.
Bringing up glaring faults in Dust's gameplay is not whining. The fact that you are having to bring up previous iterations with equally bad gameplay mechanics shows just how shallow Dust really is.
And you're not a masochist, you're not a "hardcore" EVE player, you're an idiot. You know full well that the tank and dropship spam detracted heavily from what little gun game existed during the BETA. In a supposedly "AAA" shooter, running people over should not be more efficient that actually shooting. If you like getting constantly run over or squished then by all means do so, but don't try and act like Murdertaxi improves the chances of Dust's survivability.
BTW, I'm also an EVE player, and the reason you still see mining ships on EVE-kill is because greedy AFK miners fit CPU rigs so they can cram more laser yield upgrades in the lows instead of a DCII and shield rigs. And no one cares about Goons killing AFK autopiloting haulers except hisec publords and the Goons themselves. But please continue to regale me with your EVE experience that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2748
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Posted - 2013.06.19 04:01:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Abron Garr wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:I never said that a bunch of blueberries are standing still except for the ones that sit around and do absolutely nothing but AFK in the MCC. Some tactics I don't like, but in the context of New Eden, any tactic is a valid tactic no matter how lame it is. I don't see too many folks complaining about me bring a knife to a gunfight so why should I complain about folks bringing a murder taxi to the same fight? Be glad that dropships are no longer literally living up to their name.
In Eve Online, there was a player that took down a Megathron with just an Iteron V all by himself and no one complained about that. Plenty of people complained about mining ships bring mercilessly ganked, but everyone else didn't mind it because we all know that anything goes in New Eden. Things change in New Eden all the time. EVE is a sandbox, Dust in it's current state, is not. And btw, mining barges and exhumers received a buff, just saying. Explain to me how dropship and tank spam needed to be eliminated, but LAV spam is valid? Lol @ buffed mining ships I still see them getting ganked and destroyed on a daily basis. The buff stopped no one and the goons kept on burning Jita. As for the second part, I didn't say they needed to be eliminated. Considering how whiney you are about LAVs running people over, I felt now was the time to bring up the fact that you would be rage quitting if tank spamming and dropship derping weren't changed. I didn't mind getting crushed to be honest. I guess I'm a masochist. By the way, you're talking to a dedicated Eve player who gets a kick out of seeing pure mayhem. Bringing up glaring faults in Dust's gameplay is not whining. I guarantee you Dust would have a population numbered in the dozens if Dropship and tank spam hadn't been removed. And you're not a masochist, you're not a "hardcore" EVE player, you're an idiot. You know full well that the tank and dropship spam detracted heavily from what little gun game existed during the BETA. In a supposedly "AAA" shooter, running people over should not be more efficient that actually shooting. If you like getting constantly run over or squished then by all means do so, but don't try and act like Murdertaxi improves the chances of Dust's survivability. BTW, I'm also an EVE player, and the reason you still see mining ships on EVE-kill is because greedy AFK miners fit CPU rigs so they can cram more laser yield upgrades in the lows instead of a DCII and shield rigs. And no one cares about Goons killing AFK autopiloting haulers except hisec publords and the Goons themselves. But please continue to regale me with your EVE experience that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Awe. You look cute with your "idiot" comments. |
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