The range of the AR is the only thing that lets it fight heavies unless they flank or the heavy is awful at aiming.

lol at people who didn't play the E3 build.
Sorry dude, this will take them back to the OP'ness of before, trust me, I played the game when they were like that.
And no, recoil won't balance it out.
Quote from a friend:
"
>destroys everything in one burst
"Well, hey guys, at least my gun moved a centimetre upwards!" "

Also, recoil takes a while to kick in, in fact by the time it does I already overheat.

If we're making the heavys more powerfull I want 3 things

1:for cost to be increased more power=more isk

2:for scouts to be looked at as well because scouts got screwed over just as hard

3:for the heavy to not be able to use light weapons (besides that new commando suit or whatever it's called)because having heavys running as assaults is annoying as it is,with 45% damage resist would just be aggravating and rage inducing

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i recommend that the HMG gets a damage and range buff to about the same damage and range as a fully automatica AR of the same class

If we're making the heavys more powerfull I want 3 things

1:for cost to be increased more power=more isk

2:for scouts to be looked at as well because scouts got screwed over just as hard

3:for the heavy to not be able to use light weapons (besides that new commando suit or whatever it's called)because having heavys running as assaults is annoying as it is,with 45% damage resist would just be aggravating and rage inducing

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Umm wasn't that the points the HMG was nerfed on? Remember how OP it was?
The range of an AR would mean that you will be able to tink someones sheilds away from a building away... totally useless unless like you said the person got proficiency level 5, and maybe stacked on some complex heavy damage mods. Doesn't seem OP at all Intead of an annoying tinking away of sheild, we will have people with proto HMGs sitting on rooftops retreating the moment one bullet hits them, and the damage buff will just destroy people close range! the HMG is fine how it is given that you use it properly...

So you want want to give the HMG the dmg of an assault... without reducing its RoF??

so what 30dmg @2000r/m .... 1000dps... and how long can I continue firing before reloading?

its insane. Completely OP

AND an increase to turn speed so no one can even get out the way lol.

Dispersion and range is not that big of a factor to warant this

I believe the HMG and heavy class itself would be fine with abit more damage than what the SMG does since its has dispersion while aiming unlike the smg and turn speed to follow medium suits decently well, the range needs to be lower than the ARs so its not OP and heavies have to play smart to not get killed , at least until new heavy weapons are introduced. Then the heavies would still be deadly in the cities and prey out in the open until longer range heavy weapons are introduced

could also increase the heat for HMGs to counter the higher dmg(looking at the smgs 23 dmg for standard dps may be pretty high)

^^ i would agree with you if the HMG was more accurate. the trade of or balance rather is normally between damage/accuracy/ROF

a sinper = high damage, high accuracy, low rate of fire
HMG should be = high damage, low accuracy, high rate of fire
AR should be = *low damage, *high accuracy, *high rate of fire
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If the Ar should have low damage, and the HMG have high damage, wouldn't it be contradicting you saying it should be the same damage.

The HMG shouldn't have high damage, It should have a CRAZY high ROF. with low damage. The range shouldn't go back to the Chromosome ways though. As i see it now, The HMG seems pretty balanced to me. I get killed when i should be killed against them. And I don't when i shouldn't sounds balanced to me.

i already listed the factors and reasons why the damage should be the same or similiar slightly less or so. the above is the normally procedures in other shooting games.

the HMG is gimped right now, if by "balanced and not getting killed when your not supposed to you mean standing accross the street and taking no damage from a HMG OR bunny hopping/two-stepping infront of a guy with a minigun and surviving then you have a very twisted sense of balance.

ARs are killling me in literally every situation, long range, mid-range, close range... and they have a higher dps than machine guns in most of the time. so, this buff is necesary.

i repeat ARs are OP. and will continue to be OP because CCP doesnt want to nerf them. so, i am willing to accept that as long as my HMG gets a buff so it can be a threat and actually do its job.

wonder why heavies are running around with ARs? because the AR has better dps than the HMG, with no recoil, no dispersion, rips through shields and armor, and reloads in less than 2.5 seconds without any SP. A militia AR is more effective than a standard HMG.

this buff won't make HMGs over powered they will just help them keep up with ARs.

Whoah Whoah Whoah

Having bullet damage of the HMG = Bullet damage of a regular AR
And range as well ? But nothing else changes ?

And it wont end up being any kind of OP you say ? This has to be a joke....

I can agree with the major comparison you make of the two types of weapon. And the damage output of the hmg should indeed be higher. Problem is, regarding accuracy and recoil, Dust 514 HMG pretty much have NONE. Even worse, they get more and more accurate the longer you fire which is the opposite of any classic HMG. Oh, and i actually played heavy so i know the current HMG is already a beast when used properly in close range fights. What you're suggesting is pretty much DOUBLING its DPS. that is insane.

Yet, i agree heavy\hmg could use a buff. But that kind of buff ? no way. Problem is not only damage output but survivability of the heavies. WIth the damn logi suit able to reach 1k HP with some work, heavies arent the HP stockpile they shoud be compared to the other suits

And regarding range, the system is supposed to be changed, so i wouldnt buff any range of any weapon before we get our hands on that.

So to balance an OP weapon you just make another one OP? OK If the AR has more DPS then just increase the ROF for the HMG.

The range buff will completely make it OP. Even though you say that the dispersion and the spread will balance that, we've already seen how awful the HMG is with good range.

If you fire it with burst and with that kind of range and damage. Heavys will just make the game way out of whack. Now, Unless there is an increase of the dispersion and increase of spread that range buff is completely unnecessary ( At least for that far out). Even if there is a spread increase for the HMG, that would make the gun worse than it is now.

Heavies are slow for a reason. They are carrying around a minigun! So yes, A moving target should be harder to hit for a slower gunner. But the spread will make up for it.

Balance is about both sides getting good out of it. If a scout even looks at a heavy with this buff he's dead. Maybe a higher rate of fire for the HMG and a little bit less spread could make you life easier. But to increase the range/damage to that of around the ar, is absurd!

Assault are the Basic weapon now.

' The HMG is great for CQC it's just the suit that slows you down.

and again you continue to ignore all the balancing factors i listed, namely, the over heating, dhigh dispersion, high damage drop off, low accuracy, low movement speed, low turning speed.

Of course the AR can do it better, It's the standard 'No skill required' gun

I personally use the Assault Scrambler Rifle. Sure, It may take longer to kill someone statistically, but I usually win the firefights i have with AR users

The SMG- Ar can do it better, but in the right hands, SMG are more deadly than TAC ARs ( or at least how deadly they used to be)

You can say that about any weapon. The Ar is a 'starter' weapon. It requires no skill to use. Every other weapon requires skill to adjust to the differences of the gun.

your losing it bro

First you want an OP super gattling gun of doom (COD *cough*)
And superman level hp bonuses...

Now your saying an AR is better at being a shotgun than a shotgun
and an AR can out range/dmg a sniper...

all types of crazy here