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Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
490
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:07:00 -
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Alright, let's assume we'll get MTACs this year. I think it's safe to say they'll require vehicle skills, use small turrets, move slower than tanks, and have less HP than tanks.
How is a vehicle that moves slower than a tank and that has less DPS going to survive against current AV and even tanks? |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
311
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:11:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Alright, let's assume we'll get MTACs this year. I think it's safe to say they'll require vehicle skills, use small turrets, move slower than tanks, and have less HP than tanks.
How is a vehicle that moves slower than a tank and that has less DPS going to survive against current AV and even tanks? Or maybe you should assume less and just wait. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
4378
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:15:00 -
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Why would you assume it moves slower than a tank, have less HP, AND do less DPS? Seems like you're just looking for reasons to complain before they even exist with these baseless assumptions. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
177
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:16:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Alright, let's assume we'll get MTACs this year. I think it's safe to say they'll require vehicle skills, use small turrets, move slower than tanks, and have less HP than tanks.
How is a vehicle that moves slower than a tank and that has less DPS going to survive against current AV and even tanks? Or maybe you should assume less and just wait.
look at what supports this, the new enforcers cost 2x as much as real tanks yet are far weaker, mainly because the assaulters crying "nerf everything" |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
4380
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:19:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Alright, let's assume we'll get MTACs this year. I think it's safe to say they'll require vehicle skills, use small turrets, move slower than tanks, and have less HP than tanks.
How is a vehicle that moves slower than a tank and that has less DPS going to survive against current AV and even tanks? Or maybe you should assume less and just wait. look at what supports this, the new enforcers cost 2x as much as real tanks yet are far weaker, mainly because the assaulters crying "nerf everything" Enforcers are a specializations of the HAVs, not an entirely new vehicle type. MTACs are an entirely new vehicle type. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
943
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:20:00 -
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For one, it might be small enough to fit inside of structures.
But yea, those are some pretty pessimistic and unfounded assumptions. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
490
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:26:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:For one, it might be small enough to fit inside of structures.
But yea, those are some pretty pessimistic and unfounded assumptions.
OK, then let's assume they're good. What happens to vehicles that are combat effective- nerf once they get over 10:0 in a pub match and ppl start to QQ. It you think they'll be any good, your blind. |
Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
44
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:27:00 -
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MTACs don't even exist yet, not even concept art and you're complaining?
1. they are vehicles of COURSE they'll need vehicle skills 2. who's to say they don't get a single large turret or a small turret on both arms (two small turrets can be quite effective) 3. Where'd you get this information from? How do you know they'll move slower? 4. okay yeah they'll probably have less armor/shields
and to Void Echo, Do you even know what the enforcers are meant for? rail tanking, they're weaker so they can be destroyed while they RAIL TANK in the red line they aren't meant for the front lines and they aren't a nerf they are a variant of HAVs. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
491
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:32:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:MTACs don't even exist yet, not even concept art and you're complaining?
1. they are vehicles of COURSE they'll need vehicle skills 2. who's to say they don't get a single large turret or a small turret on both arms (two small turrets can be quite effective) 3. Where'd you get this information from? How do you know they'll move slower? 4. okay yeah probably
and to Void Echo, Do you even know what the enforcers are meant for? rail tanking, they're weaker so they can be destroyed while they RAIL TANK in the red line they aren't meant for the front lines and they aren't a nerf they are a variant of HAVs.
Enforcers suck and anyone who thinks otherwise does not tank. I've never been killed by one. Madrugars are the only tanks worth anything.
Any vehicle worth anything with be nerfed- look at the LLAV- the one vehicle left that is truly powerful and it'll soon be nerfed BC infantry can't stand vehicles being powerful. This is why MTACs will fail. They're other gold on release and nerfed, or they come pre-nerfed like the enforcer. |
Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
105
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:32:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Alright, let's assume we'll get MTACs this year. I think it's safe to say they'll require vehicle skills, use small turrets, move slower than tanks, and have less HP than tanks.
How is a vehicle that moves slower than a tank and that has less DPS going to survive against current AV and even tanks?
who uses av on a map that a tank has no room to fit
and honestly if some one shoots a swarm at you move behind cover
if you see a forge gunner gtfo
and kill any one before they can get close enough to av you simple |
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Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
491
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:34:00 -
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Syther Shadows wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Alright, let's assume we'll get MTACs this year. I think it's safe to say they'll require vehicle skills, use small turrets, move slower than tanks, and have less HP than tanks.
How is a vehicle that moves slower than a tank and that has less DPS going to survive against current AV and even tanks? who uses av on a map that a tank has no room to fit and honestly if some one shoots a swarm at you move behind cover if you see a forge gunner gtfo and kill any one before they can get close enough to av you simple
You clearly don't use vehicle so don't speak here. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1948
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:34:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:For one, it might be small enough to fit inside of structures.
But yea, those are some pretty pessimistic and unfounded assumptions. Agreed.
Personally, I envision them as the Tech-III ships of Dust. A medium weight-class vehicle with multiple subsystems that you assemble together into the specialization you want.
I also suggested a while back that they use infantry Heavy weapons to balance out what I imagine would be greater mobility and smaller size, thus making them a smaller and harder to hit target. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
945
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:36:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:For one, it might be small enough to fit inside of structures.
But yea, those are some pretty pessimistic and unfounded assumptions. OK, then let's assume they're good. What happens to vehicles that are combat effective- nerf once they get over 10:0 in a pub match and ppl start to QQ. It you think they'll be any good, your blind. And for you to assume that they're going to be terrible is just ignorant. Larger vehicles will continue to dominate the large open fields, while MTACS could be a miniaturized version designed for CQC.
Besides, we have 0 information on what these will actually be. Will they be GIGANTIC JAPANESE FIGHTING ROBOTS, PS2's MAX suits, or very erotic and revealing leather suits with whips (female operators only), we won't know until later. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
491
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:37:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:For one, it might be small enough to fit inside of structures.
But yea, those are some pretty pessimistic and unfounded assumptions. Agreed. Personally, I envision them as the Tech-III ships of Dust. A medium weight-class vehicle with multiple subsystems that you assemble together into the specialization you want. I also suggested a while back that they use infantry Heavy weapons to balance out what I imagine would be greater mobility and smaller size, thus making them a smaller and harder to hit target. OK, so something with the HP of a Saga and the speed of a scout with kinetic katalyzers. It is not surviveable. Any vehicle user will tell you that if they know anything at all. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
491
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:38:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:For one, it might be small enough to fit inside of structures.
But yea, those are some pretty pessimistic and unfounded assumptions. OK, then let's assume they're good. What happens to vehicles that are combat effective- nerf once they get over 10:0 in a pub match and ppl start to QQ. It you think they'll be any good, your blind. And for you to assume that they're going to be terrible is just ignorant. Larger vehicles will continue to dominate the large open fields, while MTACS could be a miniaturized version designed for CQC. Besides, we have 0 information on what these will actually be. Will they be GIGANTIC JAPANESE FIGHTING ROBOTS, PS2's MAX suits, or very erotic and revealing leather suits with whips (female operators only), we won't know until later.
I'm hoping for giant fighting robots, secretly. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
315
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:38:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:For one, it might be small enough to fit inside of structures.
But yea, those are some pretty pessimistic and unfounded assumptions. Agreed. Personally, I envision them as the Tech-III ships of Dust. A medium weight-class vehicle with multiple subsystems that you assemble together into the specialization you want. I also suggested a while back that they use infantry Heavy weapons to balance out what I imagine would be greater mobility and smaller size, thus making them a smaller and harder to hit target. OK, so something with the HP of a Saga and the speed of a scout with kinetic katalyzers. It is not surviveable. Any vehicle user will tell you that if they know anything at all. Seriously just wait. There's no point in speculating until we have information on them (We don't even have the fking concept art yet FFS) |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
606
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:41:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:For one, it might be small enough to fit inside of structures.
But yea, those are some pretty pessimistic and unfounded assumptions. OK, then let's assume they're good. What happens to vehicles that are combat effective- nerf once they get over 10:0 in a pub match and ppl start to QQ. It you think they'll be any good, your blind. And for you to assume that they're going to be terrible is just ignorant. Larger vehicles will continue to dominate the large open fields, while MTACS could be a miniaturized version designed for CQC. Besides, we have 0 information on what these will actually be. Will they be GIGANTIC JAPANESE FIGHTING ROBOTS, PS2's MAX suits, or very erotic and revealing leather suits with whips (female operators only)? We won't know until later.
Option 3 please. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
800
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:42:00 -
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I'd be inclined to think that MTACs might have their own special set of turrets (depending on size I guess). An MTAC with the maneuverability of large-ish person but with high-level small turret power would be ridiculously overpowered. I imagine MTAC turrets perhaps using vehicle skills (or a new MTAC turret skill), but existing in some in between area in between regular weapons and small turrets.
Of course, they could just give MTACs their own tree separate from dropsuits and vehicles. It would become a huge SP-sink. You'd wind-up with robot specialists I guess.... |
Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
47
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:42:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote: OK, so something with the HP of a Saga and the speed of a scout with kinetic katalyzers. It is not surviveable. Any vehicle user will tell you that if they know anything at all.
Where'd you get this info from? I'd appreciate it so that others may read and double check your numbers
otherwise your pulling numbers from FU***** nowhere |
Rogatien Merc
Ill Omens EoN.
74
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:49:00 -
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Tank? Unless they want to go full Mechwarrior up in this *****, honestly thinking it's either a Heavy on steroids with 2x small turrets ... or an LAV that steps on you.
Nerf getting stepped on.
Edit: Actually... dual wield heavy weapons makes more sense. |
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Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
75
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Posted - 2013.06.16 04:10:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:MTACs don't even exist yet, not even concept art and you're complaining?
1. they are vehicles of COURSE they'll need vehicle skills 2. who's to say they don't get a single large turret or a small turret on both arms (two small turrets can be quite effective) 3. Where'd you get this information from? How do you know they'll move slower? 4. okay yeah they'll probably have less armor/shields
and to Void Echo, Do you even know what the enforcers are meant for? rail tanking, they're weaker so they can be destroyed while they RAIL TANK in the red line they aren't meant for the front lines and they aren't a nerf they are a variant of HAVs.
Vayu. 10% dmg bonus to Blasters. Falcion. 10% damage bonus to missiles.
"They're for rail tanking!"
Naw mate. Yur dum. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3839
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Posted - 2013.06.16 04:11:00 -
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Am I the only one that wants thrusters and a big ass plasma blade with my MTAC?
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Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
495
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Posted - 2013.06.16 04:12:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:For one, it might be small enough to fit inside of structures.
But yea, those are some pretty pessimistic and unfounded assumptions. OK, then let's assume they're good. What happens to vehicles that are combat effective- nerf once they get over 10:0 in a pub match and ppl start to QQ. It you think they'll be any good, your blind. And for you to assume that they're going to be terrible is just ignorant. Larger vehicles will continue to dominate the large open fields, while MTACS could be a miniaturized version designed for CQC. Besides, we have 0 information on what these will actually be. Will they be GIGANTIC JAPANESE FIGHTING ROBOTS, PS2's MAX suits, or very erotic and revealing leather suits with whips (female operators only)? We won't know until later. Option 3 please.
No! Giant fighting robots" |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
495
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Posted - 2013.06.16 04:15:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Am I the only one that wants thrusters and a big ass plasma blade with my MTAC?
No or not :) I really hope they don't nerf these BC they have so much potential. Imagine a team of two jumping ontop of a tank and ripping it apart with melee or gunning down infantry at close range with 30mm cannons for the minmitar versions. If they became the swiss army knives of dust I'd be pretty happy. Problem would be AV grenades that are carried by everyone so jump packs are a must. |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
75
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Posted - 2013.06.16 04:18:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Am I the only one that wants thrusters and a big ass plasma blade with my MTAC? No or not :) I really hope they don't nerf these BC they have so much potential. Imagine a team of two jumping ontop of a tank and ripping it apart with melee or gunning down infantry at close range with 30mm cannons for the minmitar versions. If they became the swiss army knives of dust I'd be pretty happy. Problem would be AV grenades that are carried by everyone so jump packs are a must.
I would like to see an ABSURD amount of mobility on a fairly decent CD in the form of boosters on the back. Jump from C to B on manus peak on like a 30s CD? The CD would depend upon HP of course. 30s if it had Dropship HP. 20s if it has LAV HP. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
178
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Posted - 2013.06.16 04:38:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:MTACs don't even exist yet, not even concept art and you're complaining?
1. they are vehicles of COURSE they'll need vehicle skills 2. who's to say they don't get a single large turret or a small turret on both arms (two small turrets can be quite effective) 3. Where'd you get this information from? How do you know they'll move slower? 4. okay yeah they'll probably have less armor/shields
and to Void Echo, Do you even know what the enforcers are meant for? rail tanking, they're weaker so they can be destroyed while they RAIL TANK in the red line they aren't meant for the front lines and they aren't a nerf they are a variant of HAVs.
which is why they are utter trash. no self respecting tank driver that I know of has skilled into these, and they are weak as hell BECAUSE YOU ASSAULTERS HAVE BEEING CRYING ABOUT TANKS BEING TANKS SINCE THE GAME WAS CREATED. |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.06.16 06:48:00 -
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MTACs are tank slayers expect them you out run/maneuver tanks and to have weapons like ground troops not turrets. All this is assuming large MTACS, if MTACs turn out to be exosuits then expect them to be heavies with the HP of a LAV and more speed. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
499
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Posted - 2013.06.16 08:49:00 -
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As long as they're too SP intensive for anyone but people who are still tankers to use, I'm happy. I don't want the infantry trying to play with our new toys. I mean, either way, they have potential. If they were like super fast, high HP, high dmg heavies that could kill tanks and infantry, I'd be very happy and would be able to deal with a 2500 EHP, but any less than that is too weak to survive the battlefield. It's simply non-negotiable- especially for an armor-tanked one.
Here would be my desires for the entire field
Heavy MTAC: -Your typical giant fighting robot (Like the mechs in Avatar) -One large turret equipped as a main gun (think Titan Fall or Avatar), about 20ft tall (making it an easy target) -STD having 7000 HP when full fit -Moves 21mph -Sidearm is a small turret
Light MTAC: -Somewhere between the MAX suits of PS2 and the mechs of Avatar -Equips two small turrets to each arm -3000 HP on a STD model when fully fit -Moves at 32mph -Has a jump pack to leap 3 stories up, but it drains the capacitor
New MTAC-specific weapons -Plasma blade: it hacks down tanks, infantry and just about anything. Like nova knives...but claymore-like. -All turrets are modified to work with MTACs- large turrets become very large rifles, and small turrets are equipped like wrist-mounted weapons. No skill point investment necessary
Ultimately, they'd be swiss army knives, able to work as infantry or vehicle roles, but still carrying the inherent weakness to AV that all vehicles have. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1295
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Posted - 2013.06.16 11:18:00 -
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It wont
Funny thing is just hit em in the legs and watch them keel over and get stuck on the floor lol |
IMMORTAL WAR HERO
Ill Omens EoN.
0
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Posted - 2013.06.16 11:23:00 -
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bam wham add jump jets make that thing jump like a frog see those swarm lock on and miss |
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