What a fantastic balancing argument OP! Bravo!

it is a heavy weapon it should do more than an assault rifle it should take 2 infantry to take a heavy down

wether that was sarcasim or not, your actually right, because based on the dispersion of the HMG compared to the AR, and the fact that they do indeed fire similar rounds they should have the same range.


AR vs HMG should be like this:

AR accuracy > HMG accuracy
AR dps < HMG dps
AR range = HMG range
AR over heat < HMG over heat
AR reload > HMG reload
AR dispesion < HMG dispersion
AR headshots > HMG headshots
AR damage per shot = HMG damage per shot



so, TBH the HMG should do the same damage per bullet as the AR. if all other factors stay the same giving the HMG the same dispersion, reload, over heating, inaddition to the heavys, low turn speed and movement speed. it will finally be a viable weapon again.

why not 5 grenades

They "had" large grenade capacity. No idea where that dead end feature was supposed to go.

Extending HMG range would just be a step in the wrong direction.

extended range in general would be a step in the right direction.....

extended range in general would be a step in the right direction.....

were you here for chromosome... maybe it was just me but i remember A LOT of 1 squad of 3 heavies and a logi all in proto RAPING EVERYONE in the CQC gallente map i think heavies could take something more but screw the idea of making them invincible.

they are good weapons situationally but honestly i think they need less range they can kill me from pretty far away right now and i tank 348 HP on my scout...

and think about it they can not fire AR rounds on here... they use a much smaller nanite cluster in there belt fed HMG... no logi would be able to support a heavy once they used some ammo up with the same restocking cost of AR's... do the math

plus its a high ROF... if an AR round was being used and jammed it would do a hell of a lot of damage to the gun itself...

plus unrealistic opinionated realism aside... the game wouldn't be very fun if heavies had all this stuff...

hell while we are at it lets make fully automatic 100 round thales and full auto TAR's that do 100HP and while we are at it lets buff militia jeeps to 2500HP and extend there bumper and lets have it lock on to people... HEll why not make all suits full slots with infinite PG and CPU and have scouts be able to carry heavy weapons... hell why not make tanks all prototype stuff?

tell me my friends the world i just described... does that sound fun to you? caldari logistics running around with a boundless HMG and a super thale? along with all the jeeps running people over and the occasional assault forge gunning scout... THAT DOES NOT SOUND LIKE AN ENJOYABLE GAME TO ME!!!!

sorry i had to get all that you people are saying into a simple story of death (and realistically it would be very different than gameplay and HMG's would rule alongside the TAR and the logi...

happy hunting people!

[quote=Tankin Tarkus] stuff

legendary hero, I applaud you

it is a heavy weapon it should do more than an assault rifle it should take 2 infantry to take a heavy down

Then what's the point of playing anything but heavy?

whats the point of playing anything other than Assault or logi, when you can tank just as hard as a heavy and with an AR do every weapons job better?

the IRL argument was meant to be used in conjuntion with the "how much more so" question.

therefore, if LMGs IRL use the same ammo as ARs, and are meant for supresion, walking fire, etc. How much more so, should a HMG in the far future be more effecient?

although knowledge doesnt always go forward with time, tbh the general equation for the future technology is:

future tech > present tech > past tech

is if present tech is good, wh is the future variant bad. please explain.

As for the "IRL arguments," if you haven't noticed we are fighting as immortal clone soldiers with lasers, bullets, and everything else in between in space year something something something. We're not going for realism here.

You seemed to have missed my point.



Your progression of quality is still an IRL argument.

Besides, how can you say their future tech is worse? Can you tell how much force is behind each shot? Perhaps to overcome technological advances in protection (our suits and shields), they had to develop more powerful weapons that have disadvantages.

If we were going for realism, there probably wouldn't be any mercs. If nothing else, EVE pilots could easily handle eliminating any threats on the surface. More likely, we would have incredibly advanced robots sweep through areas, eliminating any missed targets, and reasserting control.

Yes, that is a role of the heavy but that shouldn't be done by increasing the range. The heavy is supposed to provide fire support... but in front of the rest of the team. He is also supposed to be the tank of the group (hence why he wears the heavy suit). If HMGs have the same range as an AR, then that encourages heavies to sit with the rest of the group and not draw the fire of the enemies.
discussion.

Everyone-¦s in cover but the heavy, and as he begins to tank bullet after bullet, its boomstick time. Out of cover and off with their faces. That however would require the HMG to be able to dish out on similar distances with the AR.

The fatsuit has to be WITH the squad, not IN FRONT of it, coincidentally where the buisness end of everyone-¦s and his clone-mum-¦s AR is pointing.

You seemed to have missed my point.



Your progression of quality is still an IRL argument.

Besides, how can you say their future tech is worse? Can you tell how much force is behind each shot? Perhaps to overcome technological advances in protection (our suits and shields), they had to develop more powerful weapons that have disadvantages.

If we were going for realism, there probably wouldn't be any mercs. If nothing else, EVE pilots could easily handle eliminating any threats on the surface. More likely, we would have incredibly advanced robots sweep through areas, eliminating any missed targets, and reasserting control.

Thats some fine reductio ad absurdum right there.

Right now the HMG is a glorified shotgun.
You cant even properly set up a killzone with it except indoors.
And I doubt ambushing players around the corner is the HMGs niche, thats what shotguns and nova knives are for.

An Ideal use of the HMG would be fire support and suppression. Thats the most sensible application for an MG. But it lacks the damage and the range.

So yeah.

Real life HMG should be allowed to be used by other dropsuits if they have the strenght.
Heavy dropsuit should have 20 slots (5High, 5Low, 5 weapon and 5 equipment) I mean it should be "too big to fail"

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As for restricting line of fire, if you position yourself correctly, it shouldn't be a problem. Also, ever heard of taking point?

But he is with the squad, he is just standing ahead of everyone else. He should still be close enough to the squad that a logi can use their repair tool to keep him alive.

Ok CCP Real life HMG shoot as far as and use the same round as Assault rifles at least make the HMG shoot as far in the game

The Heavy's nature is to have a bit more health than everyone else, and thus be a little slower. The job of a heavy is to carry the heavy weapons; in the case of Dust, the Forge Gun and the HMG.

The nature/job of the Heavy has nothing to do with the nature/job of the HMG. The nature of the HMG (any HMG, "IRL" or not) is to be a weapon capable of putting a lot of rounds downrange very quickly, not necessarily accurately. The job of an HMG, when it comes to vs infantry, is suppression, primarily, and killing, secondarily. It's not supposed to be a pin-point accurate bullet-hose with a ridiculous effective range. It's supposed to project a wide screen of bullets to discourage enemies from moving by keeping them behind cover. It shouldn't have as much recoil as an AR due to it's weight, but ALL fully-automatic weapons should have a level of dispersion proportional to their rate of fire, the size of their rounds, and the duration of their sustained fire.