DUST Search - Respecs- no reason to continue buying boosters

Rogatien Merc wrote:

WyrmHero1945 wrote:

TheMarkOf22 wrote:

WyrmHero1945 wrote:

No reason to grind = no money for CCP

I'm afraid they won't let us do any respecs in Uprising 1.2 even when 2 new suits and maybe new weapons are getting released. Respec means you get those for free if you want them, because there's no need to grind, therefore not buying boosters to get them quickly, therefore no money for CCP.

This is for us vets with +10 mil SP which already have a proto suit/weapon or vehicle specialization, and there's no need to grind anymore unless we want another specialization (ie. Commando) or weapon. They want us to grind again to get those sweet new things. Also applies to guys that got their specialization nerfed. In other words HTFU and gimme money.

in that case their is no reason to grind at all when hitting 15 mil as you can pretty much max out all core skills in a specific suit an weapon class....

So really your argument doesn't even make sense...

Also it assumes people will prefer new weapons over older weapons...

Respecs=Replayability

No Respecs=No Replayability

No Replayability=a terrible online player base....

This is exactly what I'm trying to say dude.

Replayability = only by buying boosters to get new shiny weapon fast.

Unboosted it takes like a week to go from 0 unallocated SP to getting a new weapon to IV or V. Two weeks for V and decent supports. Hell you can just about get a new weapon to III (advanced) with a week of unboosted passive. New suits... take a little longer. But it's a matter of weeks to be decent (not maxed) not months.

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WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 420	Posted - 2013.06.13 19:13:00 - [1] - Quote No reason to grind = no money for CCP I'm afraid they won't let us do any respecs in Uprising 1.2 even when 2 new suits and maybe new weapons are getting released. Respec means you get those for free if you want them, because there's no need to grind, therefore not buying boosters to get them quickly, therefore no money for CCP. This is for us vets with +10 mil SP which already have a proto suit/weapon or vehicle specialization, and there's no need to grind anymore unless we want another specialization (ie. Commando) or weapon. They want us to grind again to get those sweet new things. Also applies to guys that got their specialization nerfed. In other words HTFU and gimme money.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 701	Posted - 2013.06.13 19:14:00 - [2] - Quote There will be no more respecs. They've told you this. Playing=grind? Why are you here?
Templar Renegade119 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2013.06.13 19:15:00 - [3] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: No reason to grind = no money for CCP I'm afraid they won't let us do any respecs in Uprising 1.2 even when 2 new suits and maybe new weapons are getting released. Respec means you get those for free if you want them, because there's no need to grind, therefore not buying boosters to get them quickly, therefore no money for CCP. This is for us vets with +10 mil SP which already have a proto suit/weapon or vehicle specialization, and there's no need to grind anymore unless we want another specialization (ie. Commando) or weapon. They want us to grind again to get those sweet new things. Also applies to guys that got their specialization nerfed. In other words HTFU and gimme money. i know i might get banned for this but Battlefront 3.
TheMarkOf22 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 214	Posted - 2013.06.13 19:16:00 - [4] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: No reason to grind = no money for CCP I'm afraid they won't let us do any respecs in Uprising 1.2 even when 2 new suits and maybe new weapons are getting released. Respec means you get those for free if you want them, because there's no need to grind, therefore not buying boosters to get them quickly, therefore no money for CCP. This is for us vets with +10 mil SP which already have a proto suit/weapon or vehicle specialization, and there's no need to grind anymore unless we want another specialization (ie. Commando) or weapon. They want us to grind again to get those sweet new things. Also applies to guys that got their specialization nerfed. In other words HTFU and gimme money. in that case their is no reason to grind at all when hitting 15 mil as you can pretty much max out all core skills in a specific suit an weapon class.... So really your argument doesn't even make sense... Also it assumes people will prefer new weapons over older weapons... Respecs=Replayability No Respecs=No Replayability No Replayability=a terrible online player base....
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 793	Posted - 2013.06.13 19:18:00 - [5] - Quote But bored players leaving the game = No money at all for CCP.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3723	Posted - 2013.06.13 19:23:00 - [6] - Quote Knight SoIaire wrote: But bored players leaving the game = No money at all for CCP. Don't worry, the new player experience is awesome and frequently keeps people playing and coming back after their first few hours / days in DUST.
WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 420	Posted - 2013.06.13 19:24:00 - [7] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: There will be no more respecs. They've told you this. Playing=grind? Why are you here? It's a grind because it gets boring playing the same specialization for 3 months till you get w/e you were grinding for. Because of the huge SP sinks. It's a worst grind for those who get their weapon/suit/vehicle nerfed because it's a pain just to play. It's a grind for those players (like me) that find the game boring because it's all PvP. And no I won't be AFKing, that's stupid. I just gonna take a break from Dust and let passive accumulate. It's a conspiracy theory I came up with.
WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 420	Posted - 2013.06.13 19:27:00 - [8] - Quote TheMarkOf22 wrote: WyrmHero1945 wrote: No reason to grind = no money for CCP I'm afraid they won't let us do any respecs in Uprising 1.2 even when 2 new suits and maybe new weapons are getting released. Respec means you get those for free if you want them, because there's no need to grind, therefore not buying boosters to get them quickly, therefore no money for CCP. This is for us vets with +10 mil SP which already have a proto suit/weapon or vehicle specialization, and there's no need to grind anymore unless we want another specialization (ie. Commando) or weapon. They want us to grind again to get those sweet new things. Also applies to guys that got their specialization nerfed. In other words HTFU and gimme money. in that case their is no reason to grind at all when hitting 15 mil as you can pretty much max out all core skills in a specific suit an weapon class.... So really your argument doesn't even make sense... Also it assumes people will prefer new weapons over older weapons... Respecs=Replayability No Respecs=No Replayability No Replayability=a terrible online player base.... This is exactly what I'm trying to say dude. Replayability = only by buying boosters to get new shiny weapon fast.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1589	Posted - 2013.06.13 19:29:00 - [9] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: There will be no more respecs. They've told you this. Playing=grind? Why are you here? If SP were 100% passive and you gained the same SP you would if you hit your cap every week, how many people do you think would bother to log in? All we have right now is a flawed, bug filled lobby shooter based on a cross platform selling point but despite that, both games are segregated to the point that CCP should have it's own Plessy v. Ferguson case.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3724	Posted - 2013.06.13 19:32:00 - [10] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Buster Friently wrote: There will be no more respecs. They've told you this. Playing=grind? Why are you here? If SP were 100% passive and you gained the same SP you would if you hit your cap every week, how many people do you think would bother to log in? All we have right now is a flawed, bug filled lobby shooter based on a cross platform selling point but despite that, both games are segregated to the point that CCP should have it's own Plessy v. Ferguson case. I like this argument the most because it basically directly counters people who think we shouldn't have respecs because EVE doesn't. Ok, if EVE is how an FPS should play, then give us that 100% passive and you'll see how fast these servers go dark :/

TheMarkOf22 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 215	Posted - 2013.06.13 19:33:00 - [11] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: WyrmHero1945 wrote: No reason to grind = no money for CCP I'm afraid they won't let us do any respecs in Uprising 1.2 even when 2 new suits and maybe new weapons are getting released. Respec means you get those for free if you want them, because there's no need to grind, therefore not buying boosters to get them quickly, therefore no money for CCP. This is for us vets with +10 mil SP which already have a proto suit/weapon or vehicle specialization, and there's no need to grind anymore unless we want another specialization (ie. Commando) or weapon. They want us to grind again to get those sweet new things. Also applies to guys that got their specialization nerfed. In other words HTFU and gimme money. in that case their is no reason to grind at all when hitting 15 mil as you can pretty much max out all core skills in a specific suit an weapon class.... So really your argument doesn't even make sense... Also it assumes people will prefer new weapons over older weapons... Respecs=Replayability No Respecs=No Replayability No Replayability=a terrible online player base.... This is exactly what I'm trying to say dude. Replayability = only by buying boosters to get new shiny weapon fast. still takes the same amount of time in reality, a proto weapon costs about 620,000 sp, which is still going to take you around 2 weeks with or without boosters, maybe a day or 2 difference with equal playing time for someone with a booster vs one without and that's without any much need proficiencies, figure atleast level 3 to get a good idea of what the weapon could do and that's another week of grinding, so really almost a month to get a new weapon to see if you like or don't like it, then after a month of grinding it gets nerfed and your back to square one. Absolutely no reason to not have respecs after each patch/build
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1589	Posted - 2013.06.13 19:41:00 - [12] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Cosgar wrote: Buster Friently wrote: There will be no more respecs. They've told you this. Playing=grind? Why are you here? If SP were 100% passive and you gained the same SP you would if you hit your cap every week, how many people do you think would bother to log in? All we have right now is a flawed, bug filled lobby shooter based on a cross platform selling point but despite that, both games are segregated to the point that CCP should have it's own Plessy v. Ferguson case. I like this argument the most because it basically directly counters people who think we shouldn't have respecs because EVE doesn't. Ok, if EVE is how an FPS should play, then give us that 100% passive and you'll see how fast these servers go dark :/ Actually, outside of the Academy (with maybe a 100,000 WP requirement to graduate) I don't want Dust 514 to have respecs. The only reason I support respecs right now is because many of us were baited and switched due to bugs, skills not working as intended, frequent changes, and ninja nerfs. If things were properly balanced, players had the ability to actually test drive what they like to a degree and things were fair and balanced, I would be spouting "Welcome to New Eden, Adapt or Die, blah, blah, blah..." Living with the consequences of your choices is what CCP has built EVE on for 10 years and it's what keeps me coming back to New Eden. If you take that away you might as well rip the heart out of both Dust 514 and EVE Online. But right now, the 4th wall has been broken, players are forced to live with the consequences of developers mistakes and therefore, all bets are off until things can be properly fixed until we won't need respecs.
TheMarkOf22 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 215	Posted - 2013.06.13 19:44:00 - [13] - Quote an FPS should play, then give us that 100% passive and you'll see how fast these servers go dark :/ [/quote] Actually, outside of the Academy (with maybe a 100,000 WP requirement to graduate) I don't want Dust 514 to have respecs. The only reason I support respecs right now is because many of us were baited and switched due to bugs, skills not working as intended, frequent changes, and ninja nerfs. If things were properly balanced, players had the ability to actually test drive what they like to a degree and things were fair and balanced, I would be spouting "Welcome to New Eden, Adapt or Die, blah, blah, blah..." [/quote] This game is always going to do that Welcome to New Eden, "Ask for nerfs or die."
WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 420	Posted - 2013.06.13 19:52:00 - [14] - Quote I'll make the calc while we are in. I might be exaggerating but I feel boosters are a huge difference considering how deep SP sinks are. 1 month passive with booster = ~1 mil SP 1 month active with booster = ~1.1 mil SP Total with boosters in 1 month = ~ 2.1 mil SP 1 month passive = 672k SP 1 month active = 760k SP Total 1 month = ~ 1.4 mil SP Difference between the 2 = ~ 700k SP 700k SP is almost 1 month of passive SP.
hooc order Deep Space Republic 322	Posted - 2013.06.13 20:09:00 - [15] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: No reason to grind = no money for CCP I'm afraid they won't let us do any respecs in Uprising 1.2 even when 2 new suits and maybe new weapons are getting released. Respec means you get those for free if you want them, because there's no need to grind, therefore not buying boosters to get them quickly, therefore no money for CCP. This is for us vets with +10 mil SP which already have a proto suit/weapon or vehicle specialization, and there's no need to grind anymore unless we want another specialization (ie. Commando) or weapon. They want us to grind again to get those sweet new things. Also applies to guys that got their specialization nerfed. In other words HTFU and gimme money. I have not been spending my SP since the last resepc. Just got my weapon up and enough SP so i can use a logi suit. Did the same thing with my alt. So i am sitting on about 4 million unused Sp on my main and over a million SP on my alt..plus i have alt PSN accounts with atls gaining passive SP in deep cryo. Yeah sooo my recommendation is to save your SP and play the game in noob gear and with noob levels of SP spent. You also get the added bonus of not being carried....generally you play better and keep your real fps skills sharp....no running around in the open bunny hopping around.
Major Lee High Battle Response Organizations 12	Posted - 2013.06.13 20:14:00 - [16] - Quote Skillback Booster
Geth Massredux Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 385	Posted - 2013.06.13 20:18:00 - [17] - Quote I think its hilarious to the guys who paid over $100 for the new mercenary packs, then come complain on forums, game is getting boring etc etc, dafuq.... Then they leave.... - Geth
dday3six Intrepidus XI Omega Commission 2	Posted - 2013.06.13 20:20:00 - [18] - Quote As I understand it from having dealt with ME3 and it's micro-transaction system. In the case of DLC Sony or Microsoft for that matter, purchase the license of X number of units from the developer, paying them in advance. Though it could work differently for Dust. Geth Massredux wrote: I think its hilarious to the guys who paid over $100 for the new mercenary packs, then come complain on forums, game is getting boring etc etc, dafuq.... Then they leave.... - Geth You do understand that the game is "free" because people buy the DLC packs right?
Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 70	Posted - 2013.06.13 20:28:00 - [19] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: WyrmHero1945 wrote: No reason to grind = no money for CCP I'm afraid they won't let us do any respecs in Uprising 1.2 even when 2 new suits and maybe new weapons are getting released. Respec means you get those for free if you want them, because there's no need to grind, therefore not buying boosters to get them quickly, therefore no money for CCP. This is for us vets with +10 mil SP which already have a proto suit/weapon or vehicle specialization, and there's no need to grind anymore unless we want another specialization (ie. Commando) or weapon. They want us to grind again to get those sweet new things. Also applies to guys that got their specialization nerfed. In other words HTFU and gimme money. in that case their is no reason to grind at all when hitting 15 mil as you can pretty much max out all core skills in a specific suit an weapon class.... So really your argument doesn't even make sense... Also it assumes people will prefer new weapons over older weapons... Respecs=Replayability No Respecs=No Replayability No Replayability=a terrible online player base.... This is exactly what I'm trying to say dude. Replayability = only by buying boosters to get new shiny weapon fast. Unboosted it takes like a week to go from 0 unallocated SP to getting a new weapon to IV or V. Two weeks for V and decent supports. Hell you can just about get a new weapon to III (advanced) with a week of unboosted passive. New suits... take a little longer. But it's a matter of weeks to be decent (not maxed) not months.
dday3six Intrepidus XI Omega Commission 3	Posted - 2013.06.13 20:53:00 - [20] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: Unboosted it takes like a week to go from 0 unallocated SP to getting a new weapon to IV or V. Two weeks for V and decent supports. Hell you can just about get a new weapon to III (advanced) with a week of unboosted passive. New suits... take a little longer. But it's a matter of weeks to be decent (not maxed) not months. Without Boosters it's 360,000 SP per week, but the issue is not just about having the weapons, it's also about being able to fit them without sacrificing a great deal of CPU/PG for other fittings. Furthermore some weapons lend themselves better for specific dropsuits, or require to deep spec into their tree to see real potential. The biggest issue however is most know that having the numbers on your side (being maxed) is the best way to insure against lose of ISK revenue.

DeadlyAztec11 One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed. 451	Posted - 2013.06.13 21:17:00 - [21] - Quote This is why I keep saying that CCP should try to get the majority of their money from Cosmetic items, rather than from things like boosters or from better items. Cosmetics do not require balance. I.E. no gripping about it from the fanbase.
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 3	Posted - 2013.06.13 21:42:00 - [22] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: No reason to grind = no money for CCP I'm afraid they won't let us do any respecs in Uprising 1.2 even when 2 new suits and maybe new weapons are getting released. Respec means you get those for free if you want them, because there's no need to grind, therefore not buying boosters to get them quickly, therefore no money for CCP. This is for us vets with +10 mil SP which already have a proto suit/weapon or vehicle specialization, and there's no need to grind anymore unless we want another specialization (ie. Commando) or weapon. They want us to grind again to get those sweet new things. Also applies to guys that got their specialization nerfed. In other words HTFU and gimme money. Money runs the world, CCP and anyone else has the right to want more...
Summer-Wolf BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 88	Posted - 2013.06.13 22:47:00 - [23] - Quote Geth Massredux wrote: I think its hilarious to the guys who paid over $100 for the new mercenary packs, then come complain on forums, game is getting boring etc etc, dafuq.... Then they leave.... - Geth So? Some of us can afford that, we still can complaint if we want?!
Stevez WingYip Lumodynamics Power Control Corp Panda Cave 27	Posted - 2013.06.13 23:18:00 - [24] - Quote I would like a total of lets say 3 lifetime respecs that you can but for around 100k AUR. That way they are extremely limited and not going to be used over and over and will only be used by those that really want a reset. That way CCP gains a nice chunk of money and the player gets a nice respec. Seems fair to me. Since they are probably never going to do it again, but since the game is NO WHERE near complete right now, a few more respecs seem only fair to me.
Cass Barr Red Star. EoN. 233	Posted - 2013.06.13 23:46:00 - [25] - Quote I'm going to assume this has already been said, but I'm gonna repeat it anyway. I has no idea respecs just gave you 20 million free SP. That's awesome.
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 178	Posted - 2013.06.14 03:22:00 - [26] - Quote TheMarkOf22 wrote: in that case their is no reason to grind at all when hitting 15 mil as you can pretty much max out all core skills in a specific suit an weapon class.... So really your argument doesn't even make sense... Also it assumes people will prefer new weapons over older weapons... Respecs=Replayability No Respecs=No Replayability No Replayability=a terrible online player base.... This is true. We're on a console. I know it's hard to believe. ...and I don't even want respecs in, aside from new players. I think before I dunno... say 4 mil or so you should be able to take points right back out of a skill. When you get within 50k a message should pop up telling you to finalize your build. This way newbies can try out different things for a while, and get a feel for what works and what doesn't. 2-3 mil is also acceptable... preferably more than two though, as you can still be in the battle academy at that point. This would ONLY help newbie. What if they play for two weeks as a sniper, and realize how boring it is, and how useless they are (generally speaking of course)? Let them pick up a laser rifle (and realize the same thing). Plasma cannon up next etc... Eventually they'll find something that works for them. Forcing them to start over for 500k more sp, or grind for another three weeks is kinda ruthless. More so when (I'd imagine) many of them don't even know there's a skill point cap.
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 148	Posted - 2013.06.14 03:47:00 - [27] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: WyrmHero1945 wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: WyrmHero1945 wrote: No reason to grind = no money for CCP I'm afraid they won't let us do any respecs in Uprising 1.2 even when 2 new suits and maybe new weapons are getting released. Respec means you get those for free if you want them, because there's no need to grind, therefore not buying boosters to get them quickly, therefore no money for CCP. This is for us vets with +10 mil SP which already have a proto suit/weapon or vehicle specialization, and there's no need to grind anymore unless we want another specialization (ie. Commando) or weapon. They want us to grind again to get those sweet new things. Also applies to guys that got their specialization nerfed. In other words HTFU and gimme money. in that case their is no reason to grind at all when hitting 15 mil as you can pretty much max out all core skills in a specific suit an weapon class.... So really your argument doesn't even make sense... Also it assumes people will prefer new weapons over older weapons... Respecs=Replayability No Respecs=No Replayability No Replayability=a terrible online player base.... This is exactly what I'm trying to say dude. Replayability = only by buying boosters to get new shiny weapon fast. Unboosted it takes like a week to go from 0 unallocated SP to getting a new weapon to IV or V. Two weeks for V and decent supports. Hell you can just about get a new weapon to III (advanced) with a week of unboosted passive. New suits... take a little longer. But it's a matter of weeks to be decent (not maxed) not months. BS I'm a Logi, and I can tell you right now you need at least 8 mill to be a competitive Logibro.
Deluxe Edition TeamPlayers EoN. 386	Posted - 2013.06.14 04:03:00 - [28] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: There will be no more respecs. They've told you this. Playing=grind? Why are you here? SO all heavies are forced into Amarr or had to keep their toons unallovated until CCP decided to release 1.2? Right now a few of the AR's are all placeholders for other racial weapons so when they remove and completely change them are the players who maxed out the skills to use that weapon that behaves a certain way going to be forced to grind our new skills to get them again? Most players are fine with living with the consequences of their SP allocation, however I personally am not fine with those decisions on information that is 50% incomplete. Once we have all the racial weapons and drop suits I'm fine with saying no more respecs, but forcing all heavies to go Amarr and all scouts to go galante or minmitar then not giving players respecs to go that role is a bad business decision and would betray what little trust the player base has in CCP.
GLiMPSE X IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 142	Posted - 2013.06.14 05:28:00 - [29] - Quote Deluxe Edition wrote: Buster Friently wrote: There will be no more respecs. They've told you this. Playing=grind? Why are you here? SO all heavies are forced into Amarr or had to keep their toons unallovated until CCP decided to release 1.2? Right now a few of the AR's are all placeholders for other racial weapons so when they remove and completely change them are the players who maxed out the skills to use that weapon that behaves a certain way going to be forced to grind our new skills to get them again? Most players are fine with living with the consequences of their SP allocation, however I personally am not fine with those decisions on information that is 50% incomplete. Once we have all the racial weapons and drop suits I'm fine with saying no more respecs, but forcing all heavies to go Amarr and all scouts to go galante or minmitar then not giving players respecs to go that role is a bad business decision and would betray what little trust the player base has in CCP. If they make a significant change to the AR tree and the choices it offers, I could see them just refunding sp spent in that tree. You then avoid the 'full respec' argument and solve the problem for people that feel they made choices on incomplete information as they now have the current information and a choice on whether or not that's where they wanted that SP. I don't think this is unheard of and I am quite certain it has been done eve side a few times.


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