It puts up a message about RDV collection, but I think there really needs to actually be an RDV involved so that there is some risk involved in the recall.

Vehicles that sustained heavy damage (not just the ones on fire), shouldnt be able to be returned unless repaired.
Speed of returning a vehicle should be reduced.
Stolen vehicles shouldnt be returned to the owner at the end of a match.

Just some issues I hope CCP looks into somewhere down their roadmap.

Vehicles that sustained heavy damage (not just the ones on fire), shouldnt be able to be returned unless repaired.

Speed of returning a vehicle should be reduced.

Stolen vehicles shouldnt be returned to the owner at the end of a match.

[quote=Doc Noah]
That's a bridge too far bro. High-end vehicles cost a million+ ISK. They should be returned to the player that made that investment if it wasn't destroyed in the match. Whoever stole it most likely wouldn't be able to deploy it again anyway and there's no market to sell these items. Until we get the latter, vehicle owners should get their vehicle back.

That's a bridge too far bro. High-end vehicles cost a million+ ISK. They should be returned to the player that made that investment if it wasn't destroyed in the match. Whoever stole it most likely wouldn't be able to deploy it again anyway and there's no market to sell these items. Until we get the latter, vehicle owners should get their vehicle back.

Well look at it this way, your proto dropsuit can cost a million+ ISK, but nobody can hack it and steal it. But million+ ISK vehicles CAN. Now, its fun to hack stuff, so hacking vehicles is in the game. But its fair to at least return it to the owner if it doesn't get blown up during the match.

Infantry-only players don't have to worry about their suits getting hacked. But vehicle-specced players have to worry about it every match. Try to put yourself in the other guy's shoes.

Well look at it this way, your proto dropsuit can cost a million+ ISK, but nobody can hack it and steal it. But million+ ISK vehicles CAN. Now, its fun to hack stuff, so hacking vehicles is in the game. But its fair to at least return it to the owner if it doesn't get blown up during the match.

Infantry-only players don't have to worry about their suits getting hacked. But vehicle-specced players have to worry about it every match. Try to put yourself in the other guy's shoes.

Well look at it this way, your proto dropsuit can cost a million+ ISK, but nobody can hack it and steal it. But million+ ISK vehicles CAN. Now, its fun to hack stuff, so hacking vehicles is in the game. But its fair to at least return it to the owner if it doesn't get blown up during the match.

Infantry-only players don't have to worry about their suits getting hacked. But vehicle-specced players have to worry about it every match. Try to put yourself in the other guy's shoes.

Well look at it this way, your proto dropsuit can cost a million+ ISK, but nobody can hack it and steal it. But million+ ISK vehicles CAN. Now, its fun to hack stuff, so hacking vehicles is in the game. But its fair to at least return it to the owner if it doesn't get blown up during the match.

Infantry-only players don't have to worry about their suits getting hacked. But vehicle-specced players have to worry about it every match. Try to put yourself in the other guy's shoes.

Your proto suit gets instantaneously saved at a supply depot, does it not? At least we have to jump out of our vehicles and be vulnerable for five whole seconds.

Thats not a very logical argument. It seems to center around it not being fair.

well, if you leave your car unlocked in rl it could well get stolen. On the other hand, unless you are mugged the chances of losing your shirt is a lot less.

Its sort of called, 'reality'.

And we can argue all you like over the definition of 'reality' in a sci-fi, however physics and human nature don't suddenly change. Also, if you lose ****, its stays lost., and doesn't magically materialize next to you the next day.

Vehicles that sustained heavy damage (not just the ones on fire), shouldnt be able to be returned unless repaired.
Speed of returning a vehicle should be reduced.
Stolen vehicles shouldnt be returned to the owner at the end of a match.

Just some issues I hope CCP looks into somewhere down their roadmap.

[quote=Esper Shadows]

This is a video game dude. Its not real. CCP makes the rules. So I'll happily ignore this argument. I'll just say that where the ISK is getting invested matters. People who run infantry are putting millions into their dropsuits and they get mad whenever they get killed, especially if the enemy is using cheap tactics. But they don't have to worry about their suit getting stolen (by blueberries or reds).

Players who run vehicles get upset not only when their ride gets blown up, but especially when some blueberry jacks their ride or a red hacks it. Naturally, we put lots of ISK into our vehicles just like proto infantry does. So we appreciate having some code in the game that returns our expensive vehicles if we lose them during the game but they survive the match. Its a way of balancing the inherent in-game risks involved with fielding a vehicle (dumb blueberries and hacks) that proto suits don't have to deal with.

Put yourself in the other guy's shoes.

First of all, nobody will ever lose as many tanks as drop suits. Except militia maybe, or idiots. Second, you can't leave your dropsuit on the battlefield to be hacked. Apples and oranges.

If you let your tank get hacked, consider it gone. It might as well been destroyed. What? Is an enemy corporation going to call you and leave a message: "Hey bro, you left your tank on the battlefield, thought you might want it back. "

In a game centered around making and losing ISK, that makes no sense. No matter whose shoes you are in. This game is about risks and rewards.

Also, this previous post.

Why the hell is recalling a vehicle so easy?

A quick bit of hacking to take a killing machine and whisk it away the instant it comes under fire just to call it back out again nice and fixed up?

Where the hell is my option to instantly dematerialize my favorite expensive fit the instant I see someone coming to kill me?

I've never seen someone actually recall a vehicle until just now. I always assumed it would be a process that takes even a little time and needs a carrier to swoop in to pick it up at least leaving the vehicle vulnerable while it gets whisked away to perfect safety without any cost to the users wallet.

But a quick hack and instantly whisked away to never never land saving the user their full investment and robbing everyone trying to take it down? I don't think you can get much cheaper than that.

So good luck with this particular crusade, but it won't change, and I for one am extremely grateful for that fact. Nothing else for me to say on the subject.

If they hack it back, sure, but if its in the hands of the enemy, then no.

You lost the vehicle, its your own fault and should have to deal with the consequence. Just be glad that the tank doesnt end up in the salvage of the stealer.

If they manage to steal my vehicle despite every precaution I take, then they earned it. Not a happy camper but I'm not gonna whine just because I lost it fair.
I had a situation in squad chat where a guy lost his tank because he called it in when he was alone and got killed as it arrived. Then he begged his team not to destroy the tank so he can get it back at the end of the match. His corp mates decided to do as he says and shelved a good forge gunner AV while the tank took out a good chunk of our clones.

It was pathetic.

as a vet tank driver myself, that guy shouldv lost his tank, he took the risk and lost the reward because he let his guard down and yet his "friends" didn't let him learn the hard way NEVER to let your guard down. that truly is pathetic.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about hacking/stealing vehicles. Although I do have some serious grief with blueberries stealing my sh*t or preventing me from recalling. Since its in the game, I can live with it.

I certainly don't whine on team chat trying to save my vehicle if it gets hacked. That's sad. But one idiot's actions should not prompt a code change that impacts everyone who fields a vehicle.

I just don't like it when players who don't field vehicles complain about these esoteric features like what happens to your vehicle after the match if it was hacked but not destroyed. Like its any of there damb business. There's no gain to be had by that feature because the stolen vehicle can't be sold, and most likely you don't have the skill set to field it yourself. Its just griefing vehicle-centric players.

Your proto suit gets instantaneously saved at a supply depot, does it not? At least we have to jump out of our vehicles and be vulnerable for five whole seconds.