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Esper Shadows
Savage Arms INC
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:00:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:Vehicles that sustained heavy damage (not just the ones on fire), shouldnt be able to be returned unless repaired.
Repaired armor yes, agreed.
Doc Noah wrote:
Speed of returning a vehicle should be reduced.
Would be better if the AI dropship had to be called in to pick up your vehicle just like it was brought in. That's reasonable.
Doc Noah wrote:
Stolen vehicles shouldnt be returned to the owner at the end of a match.
That's a bridge too far bro. High-end vehicles cost a million+ ISK. They should be returned to the player that made that investment if it wasn't destroyed in the match. Whoever stole it most likely wouldn't be able to deploy it again anyway and there's no market to sell these items. Until we get the latter, vehicle owners should get their vehicle back. |
Esper Shadows
Savage Arms INC
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:38:00 -
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Well look at it this way, your proto dropsuit can cost a million+ ISK, but nobody can hack it and steal it. But million+ ISK vehicles CAN. Now, its fun to hack stuff, so hacking vehicles is in the game. But its fair to at least return it to the owner if it doesn't get blown up during the match.
Infantry-only players don't have to worry about their suits getting hacked. But vehicle-specced players have to worry about it every match. Try to put yourself in the other guy's shoes.
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Esper Shadows
Savage Arms INC
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Posted - 2013.06.11 07:04:00 -
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Esper Shadows wrote:
Thats not a very logical argument. It seems to center around it not being fair.
well, if you leave your car unlocked in rl it could well get stolen. On the other hand, unless you are mugged the chances of losing your shirt is a lot less.
Its sort of called, 'reality'.
And we can argue all you like over the definition of 'reality' in a sci-fi, however physics and human nature don't suddenly change. Also, if you lose ****, its stays lost., and doesn't magically materialize next to you the next day.
This is a video game dude. Its not real. CCP makes the rules. So I'll happily ignore this argument. I'll just say that where the ISK is getting invested matters. People who run infantry are putting millions into their dropsuits and they get mad whenever they get killed, especially if the enemy is using cheap tactics. But they don't have to worry about their suit getting stolen (by blueberries or reds).
Players who run vehicles get upset not only when their ride gets blown up, but especially when some blueberry jacks their ride or a red hacks it. Naturally, we put lots of ISK into our vehicles just like proto infantry does. So we appreciate having some code in the game that returns our expensive vehicles if we lose them during the game but they survive the match. Its a way of balancing the inherent in-game risks involved with fielding a vehicle (dumb blueberries and hacks) that proto suits don't have to deal with.
Put yourself in the other guy's shoes.
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Esper Shadows
Savage Arms INC
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Posted - 2013.06.11 07:33:00 -
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First of all, nobody will ever lose as many tanks as drop suits. Except militia maybe, or idiots. Second, you can't leave your dropsuit on the battlefield to be hacked. Apples and oranges.
If you let your tank get hacked, consider it gone. It might as well been destroyed. What? Is an enemy corporation going to call you and leave a message: "Hey bro, you left your tank on the battlefield, thought you might want it back. "
In a game centered around making and losing ISK, that makes no sense. No matter whose shoes you are in. This game is about risks and rewards.
Also, this previous post.
I don't really care if the "return your vehicle if it survives" code is realistic or not. I simply appreciate that its there because I put millions of ISK into my vehicles, and it balances off the risk of it getting stolen or hacked in-game. |
Esper Shadows
Savage Arms INC
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Posted - 2013.06.11 07:37:00 -
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Karazantor wrote:
So good luck with this particular crusade, but it won't change, and I for one am extremely grateful for that fact. Nothing else for me to say on the subject.
Good luck? Dude, the code is written in a way that I like. I want to keep it the way it is. If you like harvesting tears, go kill some proto suits. Leave my ride alone.
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Esper Shadows
Savage Arms INC
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:25:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Doc Noah wrote:Esper Shadows wrote:Well look at it this way, your proto dropsuit can cost a million+ ISK, but nobody can hack it and steal it. But million+ ISK vehicles CAN. Now, its fun to hack stuff, so hacking vehicles is in the game. But its fair to at least return it to the owner if it doesn't get blown up during the match.
Infantry-only players don't have to worry about their suits getting hacked. But vehicle-specced players have to worry about it every match. Try to put yourself in the other guy's shoes.
If they hack it back, sure, but if its in the hands of the enemy, then no. You lost the vehicle, its your own fault and should have to deal with the consequence. Just be glad that the tank doesnt end up in the salvage of the stealer. If they manage to steal my vehicle despite every precaution I take, then they earned it. Not a happy camper but I'm not gonna whine just because I lost it fair. I had a situation in squad chat where a guy lost his tank because he called it in when he was alone and got killed as it arrived. Then he begged his team not to destroy the tank so he can get it back at the end of the match. His corp mates decided to do as he says and shelved a good forge gunner AV while the tank took out a good chunk of our clones. It was pathetic. as a vet tank driver myself, that guy shouldv lost his tank, he took the risk and lost the reward because he let his guard down and yet his "friends" didn't let him learn the hard way NEVER to let your guard down. that truly is pathetic.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about hacking/stealing vehicles. Although I do have some serious grief with blueberries stealing my sh*t or preventing me from recalling. Since its in the game, I can live with it.
I certainly don't whine on team chat trying to save my vehicle if it gets hacked. That's sad. But one idiot's actions should not prompt a code change that impacts everyone who fields a vehicle.
I just don't like it when players who don't field vehicles complain about these esoteric features like what happens to your vehicle after the match if it was hacked but not destroyed. Like its any of there damb business. There's no gain to be had by that feature because the stolen vehicle can't be sold, and most likely you don't have the skill set to field it yourself. Its just griefing vehicle-centric players.
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