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Twisted202
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.10 16:23:00 -
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On the CRONOS topic.
Firstly, there has been no officIal statement about them quitting so they haven't and they still have active members playing PC battles but have to no show to some because not enough players are on in a 150(plus SA 110 = 250+) man corp.
I played the most PC battles in SI and CRONOS i can say that with confidence, i helped everyone in the alliance but as soon as we lost a few games in SI people gave up and didn't come on to play games(important ones). the loss streak began on a thursday/friday where we lost 10+ in them two days and after that people began to be "burnt out" it was an excuse for not playing. I carried on playing through all these losses for a full week at the end we had 25+ losses 3-4 wins it was horrible. Our main players and directors stayed off and decide not to help(Sha is not included he had things more important) there was only one mainly active director and he was in SA!
I could carry on with details but, thats not needed. SI/CRONOS still carry on playing battles even though in their mind they know they will not have a good game.
I left SI due to lack of direction and leadership.
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Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2264
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Posted - 2013.06.10 16:41:00 -
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Yeah, it's fair play Twisted, we've been doing bad (after the first week or so) but you have to remember, a massive number of SI (not so much SA) have been playing since replication/E3. None of us have been really happy with things since Precursor, and lots of us only came back to see PC. Which has been rather disappointing.
Thanks for playing with us anyway man. It was good (particularly that Saturday where we DID have people on, and were doing things properly. And we won every game :D ).
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Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission
382
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Posted - 2013.06.10 16:53:00 -
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The problem is when corps want to hold as many districts as they see on the map and then when you're fighting intense PC battles all day, every day, some of which you're going to lose just by virtue of the fact that you're fighting so many, then people burn out and stop playing.
It would sort of be like in an MMORPG when your clan decides it wants to raid every top-tier dungeon all day and night for weeks straight. People are going to get tired, frustrated, and leave. Except here it's even worse because you can't choose to take a night off due to the fact that it isn't your choice when you get attacked.
If corps only took the number of districts they could effectively defend--not so few that they got bored and not so many they were overwhelmed--then you'd all have a much better time. I still like PC a lot (it's one of the few reasons I play Dust) because we don't have 24 districts that we try to defend every hour of every day.
If you sell off some districts and focus on key ones, then that alleviates both the problem of burning out, and it helps corps who aren't in PC get a foothold (which makes PC more interesting as a whole when more corps are involved). |
Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2013.06.10 16:55:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Yeah, it's fair play Twisted, we've been doing bad (after the first week or so) but you have to remember, a massive number of SI (not so much SA) have been playing since replication/E3. None of us have been really happy with things since Precursor, and lots of us only came back to see PC. Which has been rather disappointing.
Thanks for playing with us anyway man. It was good (particularly that Saturday where we DID have people on, and were doing things properly. And we won every game :D ).
No you didn't. You lost all games to EoN. Its sad to see so many good CRONOS players leaving and joining other corps. I said before Sha should quit as leader. |
DJINN Marauder
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
801
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Posted - 2013.06.10 16:57:00 -
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Poor CRONOS...
I feel so bad for em...
xD |
DeeJay One
BetaMax. CRONOS.
37
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Posted - 2013.06.10 17:05:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Poor CRONOS...
Yet everyone still speaks about the doughnut as a barrier to entry PC. What doughnut when battles are lost? |
Twisted202
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.10 17:11:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Yeah, it's fair play Twisted, we've been doing bad (after the first week or so) but you have to remember, a massive number of SI (not so much SA) have been playing since replication/E3. None of us have been really happy with things since Precursor, and lots of us only came back to see PC. Which has been rather disappointing.
Thanks for playing with us anyway man. It was good (particularly that Saturday where we DID have people on, and were doing things properly. And we won every game :D ).
I understand but the people that actually stayed on and played were let down by the ones that didn't play |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2264
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Posted - 2013.06.10 17:12:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote:
Sad that you have to lie. Ill omens got ****** the first week of PC, you still sore? Poor you. Even twisted said we won a few this past week. I haven't been playing so who knows. Do you not get your districts back from Kane if you lost to us or something? |
Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2013.06.10 17:46:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Banned From Forums wrote: Sad that you have to lie. Ill omens got ****** the first week of PC, you still sore? Poor you. Even twisted said we won a few this past week. I haven't been playing so who knows. Do you not get your districts back from Kane if you lost to us or something?
I don't have to lie. You guys are so bad you would probably loose to the Shining Flame if they attacked you. You are worse than PRO now. The imps were right about you. You guys are nothing but scrubs. King B has left you guys. Twisted has left you guys. Waiting for crafty to leave now! |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
405
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Posted - 2013.06.10 17:50:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Banned From Forums wrote: Sad that you have to lie. Ill omens got ****** the first week of PC, you still sore? Poor you. Even twisted said we won a few this past week. I haven't been playing so who knows. Do you not get your districts back from Kane if you lost to us or something?
they didn't lose all games to Eon. I know this cause we have lost to SI before as well as WTF, I even recall losing a close match to Betamax. and many more matches were very close. when CRONOS is serious they are formidable foes. I don't think anyone should be arguing that.
Now the lag makes EU v US very difficult for both sides. enough so I dare say could be a large factor in their backing off PC. trust there are many occasions I wonder how much more I can take myself cause this is the year 2013 and often deal with the lag of when broadband was first introduced 15-20 years ago (or whenever it was) |
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Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens EoN.
611
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Posted - 2013.06.10 18:13:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Banned From Forums wrote: Sad that you have to lie. Ill omens got ****** the first week of PC, you still sore? Poor you. Even twisted said we won a few this past week. I haven't been playing so who knows. Do you not get your districts back from Kane if you lost to us or something?
We lost one district to SI (after Vacuum attacked it 6 times and got the clone count down). That is the only district we have lost in combat since PC started. We've taken about 10 CRONOS districts. I like your alternative history lesson though, I sure feel real sore
Sad to see you so proud over one victory, first week of PC was us fighting Orion, it had nothing to even do with you guys. I guess the real war is over. Time for you to try and fight a forum war. You don't wit to support that either. |
Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2013.06.10 18:30:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: they didn't lose all games to Eon. I know this cause we have lost to SI before as well as WTF, I even recall losing a close match to Betamax. and many more matches were very close. when CRONOS is serious they are formidable foes. I don't think anyone should be arguing that.
Now the lag makes EU v US very difficult for both sides. enough so I dare say could be a large factor in their backing off PC. trust there are many occasions I wonder how much more I can take myself cause this is the year 2013 and often deal with the lag of when broadband was first introduced 15-20 years ago (or whenever it was)
No offense Mr Cubs but I know CRONOS has lost a lot of matches. Winning 1 or 2 insignificant matches here and there does not underline that our leadership sucks. Sha made Caz continuously fight EoN and now WTF is worn out. This game is no longer fun.
And I don't consider winning a match here and there a win. A win is winning the district! Can you tell me how many districts CRONOS has captured from anyone in the past 1 week! None!
Also: I don't deny that there is considerable lag. CCP actually thinks PTT will help! No it doesn't! This game sucks! CRONOS leadership sucks! Everything about DUST SUCKS! |
Foxhound Elite
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
178
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Posted - 2013.06.10 18:34:00 -
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would you like some hot drop buns? |
Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2013.06.10 18:36:00 -
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Foxhound Elite wrote:would you like some hot drop buns?
Pub Scrub! |
Mr Gloo Gloo
What The French CRONOS.
96
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Posted - 2013.06.10 18:37:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Banned From Forums wrote: Sad that you have to lie. Ill omens got ****** the first week of PC, you still sore? Poor you. Even twisted said we won a few this past week. I haven't been playing so who knows. Do you not get your districts back from Kane if you lost to us or something? We lost one district to SI (after Vacuum attacked it 6 times and got the clone count down). That is the only district we have lost in combat since PC started. We've taken about 10 CRONOS districts. I like your alternative history lesson though, I sure feel real sore Sad to see you so proud over one victory, first week of PC was us fighting Orion, it had nothing to even do with you guys. I guess the real war is over. Time for you to try and fight a forum war. You don't wit to support that either.
Lol |
Foxhound Elite
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
178
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Posted - 2013.06.10 18:39:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote:Foxhound Elite wrote:would you like some hot drop buns? Pub Scrub!
i'm sorry? .. just fended off an imperfect attack with ease. but yes I also love to pub stomp.
http://i.imgur.com/h6PXrBa.gif |
Gregor stormwalker
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
30
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Posted - 2013.06.10 18:42:00 -
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i'm with Quickgloves on how PC should change clone packs need to not be the main way of attacking. as it is we have completely lost any kind of strategy at the grand level, I think when CHONOS planned for PC we where expecting clone movement to take over from clone pack attacks if this had happened fighting on would not feel so point less, im not saying battles would go any different but fighting on a front line that can be pushed back slowly and being able to counter attack a districted that had to send more than normal number of clones to attack deeper into our space would have been a "deeper" mechanic
I do wish we had not all talked about making fake corps to land grab because CCP original plan would probably been a lot more fun the slow build up meaning corps would reach there a natural size, new corp could jump in vulture style |
Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2013.06.10 18:43:00 -
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Foxhound Elite wrote:Banned From Forums wrote:Foxhound Elite wrote:would you like some hot drop buns? Pub Scrub! i'm sorry? .. just fended off an imperfect attack with ease. but yes I also love to pub stomp. http://i.imgur.com/h6PXrBa.gif
That's all you are good for;- pub stomping. When you play organized corps I can see you hopping around with your tail between your legs and your foot in your mouth. |
Foxhound Elite
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
178
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Posted - 2013.06.10 19:01:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote:Foxhound Elite wrote:Banned From Forums wrote:Foxhound Elite wrote:would you like some hot drop buns? Pub Scrub! i'm sorry? .. just fended off an imperfect attack with ease. but yes I also love to pub stomp. http://i.imgur.com/h6PXrBa.gif That's all you are good for;- pub stomping. When you play organized corps I can see you hopping around with your tail between your legs and your foot in your mouth.
I'm sorry I've never played with you or vs you before so ... /bullshit |
Twisted202
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
56
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Posted - 2013.06.10 19:08:00 -
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Foxhound Elite wrote:Banned From Forums wrote:Foxhound Elite wrote:would you like some hot drop buns? Pub Scrub! i'm sorry? .. just fended off an imperfect attack with ease. but yes I also love to pub stomp. http://i.imgur.com/h6PXrBa.gif
Fox the fact that you even brought this up... We went from 2 - 8 and finished with 12 players if you didn't win you would be ultimate scrub. lets forget you said that |
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Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2265
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Posted - 2013.06.10 19:13:00 -
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Yeah, Fox should be put down if he thinks that was an imperfect attack. I have seen the ravages of SI vs Imp tournament battle. Tens of millions of ISK spend in minutes.
There's trash talk, and then there's just plain stupid. |
Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2013.06.10 19:13:00 -
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Foxhound Elite wrote: I'm sorry I've never played with you or vs you before so ... /bullshit
Oh you have played with me many times. I have seen your arse get beat like a filthy mongrel in the burbs of Liverpool! |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
544
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Posted - 2013.06.11 09:40:00 -
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In the opening of PC, it was like the closed beta tournament: everybody was excited and determined. Once battle lines were drawn, it became a WW1 affair of trench vs trench. SI was overwhelmed because they had to beat off the A-teams of several corps at a time, forced to run B and C teams to keep on showing. It wasn't morale that dropped, not for anyone who's SI at heart anyway. It was interest in this game mode.
I don't hold anything against those who leave SI following this. The spirit of the corp is fun via competition. Although I will say that it seems like the rats leaving the ship because they heard a tap running. |
Sir Meode
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
659
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Posted - 2013.06.11 09:47:00 -
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if you want our stuff you better be prepared to fight for it because we won't be giving it away. |
mrunknown2u2
Ill Omens EoN.
81
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Posted - 2013.06.11 09:55:00 -
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Sir Meode wrote:if you want our stuff you better be prepared to fight for it because we won't be giving it away. Hell yea
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trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
575
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Posted - 2013.06.11 10:32:00 -
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We got out gungamed/maneuvered in the first round. This is good for the game, had we been at even efficiency with EoN and N-F from day one in the PC, nothing would have stopped the economic machine Sha took. There is no going around it: EoN and N-F simply won way too high a % of ground fights, which is why they could keep attacking more with the morale of the victor and clone spoils.
Now we go through a learning process which includes defending the rest of our districts until the end and coming back stronger. The impetfects method of winning everything on ground seems like a good plan.
Isn't it time for N-F and EoN to duke it out now and see which one drops out of the box next? I'm curious to see if EoN leadership is actually a puppet government, since you have given free districts to N-F etc. That would be the best play in dust history.
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Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3491
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:08:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:We got out gungamed/maneuvered in the first round. This is good for the game, had we been at even efficiency with EoN and N-F from day one in the PC, nothing would have stopped the economic machine Sha took. There is no going around it: EoN and N-F simply won way too high a % of ground fights, which is why they could keep attacking more with the morale of the victor and clone spoils.
Now we go through a learning process which includes defending the rest of our districts until the end and coming back stronger. The impetfects method of winning everything on ground seems like a good plan.
Isn't it time for N-F and EoN to duke it out now and see which one drops out of the box next? I'm curious to see if EoN leadership is actually a puppet government, since you have given free districts to N-F etc. That would be the best play in dust history.
1. actually wasnt done for free, but u'd have to know the backroom stuff to know what actually went down.
2. lolpuppetgovernment, we conduct our own affairs.....quite frankly im more concerned with the longevity of the game with PS4 around the corner
3. NF is out or taking a break from PC, they dont want to hold districts and tbqh bored with it from what i hear and can u blame them?
Personally, i just want DUST on PS4 with UE4 then this game will be perfect, right now....still consider this in beta |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
519
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:04:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:trollsroyce wrote:We got out gungamed/maneuvered in the first round. This is good for the game, had we been at even efficiency with EoN and N-F from day one in the PC, nothing would have stopped the economic machine Sha took. There is no going around it: EoN and N-F simply won way too high a % of ground fights, which is why they could keep attacking more with the morale of the victor and clone spoils.
Now we go through a learning process which includes defending the rest of our districts until the end and coming back stronger. The impetfects method of winning everything on ground seems like a good plan.
Isn't it time for N-F and EoN to duke it out now and see which one drops out of the box next? I'm curious to see if EoN leadership is actually a puppet government, since you have given free districts to N-F etc. That would be the best play in dust history.
1. actually wasnt done for free, but u'd have to know the backroom stuff to know what actually went down. 2. lolpuppetgovernment, we conduct our own affairs.....quite frankly im more concerned with the longevity of the game with PS4 around the corner 3. NF is out or taking a break from PC, they dont want to hold districts and tbqh bored with it from what i hear and can u blame them? Personally, i just want DUST on PS4 with UE4 then this game will be perfect, right now....still consider this in beta
Its hard to be excited about playing a game that has poor development and when most PC matches end up the same way as a pub match it gets boring taking all the time and energy necessary to attack a district 3-4 times over a 3-4 day period. CCP made it so that its impossible to actually move with any kind of rapidity through PC. Kains idea of being able to immediately launch a second assault if you win your first assault should have been the way PC works. Then if you win you can continue to press your advantage. Instead the game forces you to take days just to flip 1 district. |
mrunknown2u2
Ill Omens EoN.
82
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:26:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Mavado V Noriega wrote:trollsroyce wrote:We got out gungamed/maneuvered in the first round. This is good for the game, had we been at even efficiency with EoN and N-F from day one in the PC, nothing would have stopped the economic machine Sha took. There is no going around it: EoN and N-F simply won way too high a % of ground fights, which is why they could keep attacking more with the morale of the victor and clone spoils.
Now we go through a learning process which includes defending the rest of our districts until the end and coming back stronger. The impetfects method of winning everything on ground seems like a good plan.
Isn't it time for N-F and EoN to duke it out now and see which one drops out of the box next? I'm curious to see if EoN leadership is actually a puppet government, since you have given free districts to N-F etc. That would be the best play in dust history.
1. actually wasnt done for free, but u'd have to know the backroom stuff to know what actually went down. 2. lolpuppetgovernment, we conduct our own affairs.....quite frankly im more concerned with the longevity of the game with PS4 around the corner 3. NF is out or taking a break from PC, they dont want to hold districts and tbqh bored with it from what i hear and can u blame them? Personally, i just want DUST on PS4 with UE4 then this game will be perfect, right now....still consider this in beta Its hard to be excited about playing a game that has poor development and when most PC matches end up the same way as a pub match it gets boring taking all the time and energy necessary to attack a district 3-4 times over a 3-4 day period. CCP made it so that its impossible to actually move with any kind of rapidity through PC. Kains idea of being able to immediately launch a second assault if you win your first assault should have been the way PC works. Then if you win you can continue to press your advantage. Instead the game forces you to take days just to flip 1 district. I think the way PC is now is fine just take away the clone packs. That's what is breaking the game.
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
411
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:40:00 -
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take away the lag and it might be sufficient, although the financials are only worthwhile if you have a lot of real estate.
then again the way its intended is to be slow progression, and using your own clones rather than buying packs.
a lot of people blew their wad early on and don't even have the ISK to do much anymore.
SI did it right, large initial investment and recoup shortly thereafter... caters to the big groups making the little guy get creative to be competitive in molden heath.
if they simply fixed the lag, especially lag between groups that are separated by an ocean.. things would be a lot different than they are now |
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