no vehicle can out run/dodge swarms. the can only hope to move so that either they out range them or their runs into a wall or something. swarms really are easy mode and hit 100% when in range and used correctly. and by equal you mean 4 to 5 times the sp.

you still hit it, you just tried to hit when it was leaving your range and you wonder why it didn't hit.. lol this is whats wrong with the AV guys.
first AV: I shot at it but its alive
second: did you miss
first: no I used swarms
me: lol how many shots are they going to waste if I just sit just outside their range?

you still hit it, you just tried to hit when it was leaving your range and you wonder why it didn't hit.. lol this is whats wrong with the AV guys.
first AV: I shot at it but its alive
second: did you miss
first: no I used swarms
me: lol how many shots are they going to waste if I just sit just outside their range?

with a friend in a tank, we tested that. 3 full clips. they'll just keep firing, from the same spot, not advancing or anything.

when I used to use them, you fire, and make sure they hit if you think they were even close to outranging you. otherwise, you're wasting ammo.

yes, it takes about 2 seconds to find out the effective range on a swarm launcher, and about 5 to find out anything not militia will likely easily get out of the range/ get behind cover/ or simply be moving to fast.

HAV's are of course exempt, these things are really the punching bag of vehicles this build.

Dumfire swarms were worse because it was like nukes going off at close range that killed EVERYTHING thats why.

was this before or after missile explosions became water balloons?

was this before or after missile explosions became water balloons?

for you clearly they were always water balloons and DS are walls, brick walls that takes no damage from AV, ever

No single medium frame player should be able to take out a well fitted vehicle solo. Now think of it past what we have currently. Right now the player count is too low to really dedicate a squad to anti-vehicle, likewise maps are still small and infantry focused that there isn't always vehicles out and about.

on a comparative level,

drop ships can easily dodge them, lav's can out tun them, tanks they gennerally work well against.

if you spec into them they tend to take 3 to 4 shots to kill a vehicle equally specced into, but as mentioned lav's and drop ships will gennerally out run them.

any user using a vehicle is genenrally immune to all weapons except paticular AV weapons, anyone using a swarm launcher is vulnerable to everything including the vehicles it's strong against.

also I get dumbfire missle were broken, but why doesn't it have a fixed version of anti-infantry, hell the forge gun one hits everything it fire at, why were swarms worse then that -.-

pretty sure something could of been done to keep some form of anti-infantry on this weapon.


so ya my two cents on it, don't care if you buff them or leave them as is, just pointing out how stupid the AV system is when these are involved.

so an effective AV weapon should not be able to destroy a drop ship floating 5 feet above your head firing missles at you before it gets away.

glad that''s a good weapon, I suppose AR's should only kill people so long as they aren't looking at you or actively trying to run away. even if they start in melee range when they begin running

it's worth noting btw, the a forge gun would still kill them in any of scenario that a swarm fails.

Yeah right, kill my 12.5M Sp spend tanks in 3 volleys and call it balanced, my ass.

For some reason when swarms are used against me, they will track me behind corners. When I use swarms, they never do that and follow a straight line to the target

Also, the swarm explosions that I see from my HAV are annoying. They always obscure my view as if they hit my turret directly, but they almost never do. Yet they still explode directly in my camera and I lose precious seconds trying to take down the swarmer as I wait for my vision to come back. And then guess what: another round of swarms is already on its way to obscure my vision again.

Just so you know in order to outrun swarms like that dropships have to sacrifice a lot of tanks.

no vehicle can out run/dodge swarms. the can only hope to move so that either they out range them or their runs into a wall or something. swarms really are easy mode and hit 100% when in range and used correctly. and by equal you mean 4 to 5 times the sp.

by this im pretty sure you mean an afterburner and you're right you have to sacrifice a significant amount of shields / armor to fit
also i don't know what most people talk about with this magical range limit on swarms but no matter how hard i try i can never outrun/out maneuver them can someone tell me if i need a afterburner to do this.

swarms really are easy mode and hit 100% when in range and used correctly.

An afterburner and Jovian means that you'll only get hit by the first volley if it takes you by surprise and you'll get out of range without being hit again.

An afterburner and 2 jovians is just frankly ridiculous, I've had a swarm launcher fired from less than 20m below me and I managed to get out of range before they hit. The speed is insane, I used to taunt swarm launchers, would just fly straight through their engagement zone and not take any damage. Downside is your tank is so crap that a forge gun will one shot you.

Btw all these examples are taken from when the dropship is more or less hovering still.

My max logi lav laughs at your proto swarms 58% shield resistance pulse 30% explosive resistance equal 88% not geting killed by you, but remember most av weapon do less damage to shields only things that I run from is plasma cannons and forge guns.

Needs a faster lock on time and needs to be able to go into the sidearm slot. especially if they are going to allow free lavs in this game

No you should not be able to equip a swarm as a sidearm. Also CCP are going to release a suit that has 2 light weapon slots.

on a comparative level,

drop ships can easily dodge them, lav's can out tun them, tanks they gennerally work well against.

if you spec into them they tend to take 3 to 4 shots to kill a vehicle equally specced into, but as mentioned lav's and drop ships will gennerally out run them.

any user using a vehicle is genenrally immune to all weapons except paticular AV weapons, anyone using a swarm launcher is vulnerable to everything including the vehicles it's strong against.

also I get dumbfire missle were broken, but why doesn't it have a fixed version of anti-infantry, hell the forge gun one hits everything it fire at, why were swarms worse then that -.-

pretty sure something could of been done to keep some form of anti-infantry on this weapon.


so ya my two cents on it, don't care if you buff them or leave them as is, just pointing out how stupid the AV system is when these are involved.

we might get lucky and hit a single volley which would deal about 1/2 of his shields.

Lav's going full speed frequently get out of range before the shots hit, if it's running straight at me It will often times get hit, but it takes a minimum of 4 proto volleys to kill a logi lav(( fitting dependant I suppose )) and by that time he's either turned away and ran or run you over.

any logi lav that's set it's heart on running has always gotten away from my swarms.

again....so a player that specs into vehicles should be able to solo every player on the field, be immune to infantry AV, and all forms of weapons, and should only be able to be taken out by focused combined squad play while they themselves in no way require squad play.

even if they should use squad play none of them ever do, vehicle users are simply glorified lone wolves, and never rely on their team least of all LAV users.

i'm not fully specced but an advanced swarm with 4 damage mods at minimum has taken 6 shots usually more because of reppers and hardeners, militia tanks usually take 3. the reason they usually are easy to take down is because they are slow, if I chase them or have a high up position I can usually reload and keep firing before they get behind cover.

not to say they can't get away, because plenty do, it's just alot harder for HAV's.

also technically I have near as much sp invested in my AV fit as you do in your tank so don't really care ow much you have invested in it. you want to know how much effort your 12.5 mil tank needs to put out to kill my 13 mil proto suit, 1 shot, so **** off with that logic.

So if you get lucky and stop being bad, one volley deals half of his shields? meaning you can two shot him? Buff dropships IMO.

For LAVs, get the high ground on an open map and they're be forced to retreat or get popped.

Most Logi LAVs you see nowadays are shields btw, this means the best method to deal with them is railguns/forgeguns/plasmacannons/flux grenades.

I'm aware that flux grenades are hard to hit LAVs with and that the plasma cannon sucks. If anything turn your thread into a buff plasma cannon thread and move on with your life.

Despite the claims by some that the swarm launcher is a 'noob' weapon there is technique in using it effectively. The most important thing is to usually not fire the weapon when pointed directly at the target but to shoot them up or to the side after you have target lock in order to not collide with terrain or structures. Timing is another tricky skill to learn since the things travel so slow.

More weapons should have an effect on their victims other than just causing damage. The mass driver is fairly effective at disrupting a shooter. Grenades should do more. Regular rifles should have some knock back.

My only issue with swarms is the abysmal -50% damage on shield vehicles. Combined with shield hardeners, you'll find yourself doing almost no damage at all. That amount of damage penalty reduction should only be available through modules and not by natural resistance.

Swarms are the only capable AV weapon for dealing with fast moving vehicles like LAVs and dropships, but once they get a hold on shield variants, swarms become a joke.

So you're complaining that it's too difficult for you to solo a shield vehicle?

Get a forge gun.

Yeah swarms totally suck yo, only scrubs use em.

and you died from one shot

You would have to be completely re-tarded to think that swarms are anything but the most OP easy mode pos weapon in the game, atleast forge guns require the person to aim and won't follow you around corners, but even they are complete BS because they do as much dmg as the giant railgun on my tank, it would have made more sense for the designer of my tank to strap 4 forge guns to my turret and give me some string to pull the trigger.

So why should you be able to stand up to my ion cannon in your medium frame dropsuit?