on a comparative level,

drop ships can easily dodge them, lav's can out tun them, tanks they gennerally work well against.

if you spec into them they tend to take 3 to 4 shots to kill a vehicle equally specced into, but as mentioned lav's and drop ships will gennerally out run them.

any user using a vehicle is genenrally immune to all weapons except paticular AV weapons, anyone using a swarm launcher is vulnerable to everything including the vehicles it's strong against.

also I get dumbfire missle were broken, but why doesn't it have a fixed version of anti-infantry, hell the forge gun one hits everything it fire at, why were swarms worse then that -.-

pretty sure something could of been done to keep some form of anti-infantry on this weapon.


so ya my two cents on it, don't care if you buff them or leave them as is, just pointing out how stupid the AV system is when these are involved.

again....so a player that specs into vehicles should be able to solo every player on the field, be immune to infantry AV, and all forms of weapons, and should only be able to be taken out by focused combined squad play while they themselves in no way require squad play.

even if they should use squad play none of them ever do, vehicle users are simply glorified lone wolves, and never rely on their team least of all LAV users.

i'm not fully specced but an advanced swarm with 4 damage mods at minimum has taken 6 shots usually more because of reppers and hardeners, militia tanks usually take 3. the reason they usually are easy to take down is because they are slow, if I chase them or have a high up position I can usually reload and keep firing before they get behind cover.

not to say they can't get away, because plenty do, it's just alot harder for HAV's.

also technically I have near as much sp invested in my AV fit as you do in your tank so don't really care ow much you have invested in it. you want to know how much effort your 12.5 mil tank needs to put out to kill my 13 mil proto suit, 1 shot, so **** off with that logic.

So if you get lucky and stop being bad, one volley deals half of his shields? meaning you can two shot him? Buff dropships IMO.

For LAVs, get the high ground on an open map and they're be forced to retreat or get popped.

Most Logi LAVs you see nowadays are shields btw, this means the best method to deal with them is railguns/forgeguns/plasmacannons/flux grenades.

I'm aware that flux grenades are hard to hit LAVs with and that the plasma cannon sucks. If anything turn your thread into a buff plasma cannon thread and move on with your life.

Despite the claims by some that the swarm launcher is a 'noob' weapon there is technique in using it effectively. The most important thing is to usually not fire the weapon when pointed directly at the target but to shoot them up or to the side after you have target lock in order to not collide with terrain or structures. Timing is another tricky skill to learn since the things travel so slow.

More weapons should have an effect on their victims other than just causing damage. The mass driver is fairly effective at disrupting a shooter. Grenades should do more. Regular rifles should have some knock back.

My only issue with swarms is the abysmal -50% damage on shield vehicles. Combined with shield hardeners, you'll find yourself doing almost no damage at all. That amount of damage penalty reduction should only be available through modules and not by natural resistance.

Swarms are the only capable AV weapon for dealing with fast moving vehicles like LAVs and dropships, but once they get a hold on shield variants, swarms become a joke.