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Alina Heart DIOS EX. 242	Posted - 2013.06.10 03:24:00 - [1] - Quote Hello, Thanks for viewing this thread. This is a petition to help push CCP into buffing the Amarr Logistics suit. If you support this petition please leave a like on this post or sign your signature below. Reasons why Amarr Logi needs a buff The Amarr Logistics suit fails to compete with the other racial variants at high levels. The Amarr logistics suit is severley lacking when compared to the other suits and holds no benefits aside from being able to equip a sidearm at prototype level and a slight increase in overall stamina. The Amarr logi suffers from being the slowest of all thelogi suits, has the lowest number of overall module slots and has a significantly low amount of PG, causing the suit to be even more of a burden. These drawbacks are not balanced with the suits positives. A militia Cardiac Regulator that raises stamina by a whopping 50% and that can easily fit into a low slot for less than 10 CPU and 5 PG completely nullifies the higher stamina stat of the Amarr suit. So now the Amarr has one positive and that is the ability to equip a sidearm. Which is almost ill advised since the low amount of PG on the suit forces you to use lower end modules in order to equip a sidearm. Making the feature of having a sidearm slot in the first place more of a sacrifice than a benefit. Add The fact that you must also spend over a whopping 3 million SP to unlock this sidearm slot and you essentially have a suit that just isn't worth the investment at all. *The Fix* My Suggestion: Increase the Amarr High and Low slots by one, Increase PG to the same level as the rest of the Logistics suits(78). Now the Amarr is now on a balanced level with the other suits. It now has 11 module slots compared to the other 3 races 12. In order to carry a sidearm we are missing one High/Low slot and we are the slowest of all the races. in my opinion this is a fair trade off and will allow the Amarr logi to compete and support teams at a competitive level. Those of you who disagree or would like to share your own suggestions please post your thoughts and opinions below. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - All Racial Logistics Suit Stats For Reference - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Amarr Logistics AK.0 High Slots: 3 \| Low Slots: 3 \| Equipment: 3 \| Sidearm PG: 66 CPU: 390 Shield: 120 Armor: 180 Shield Recharge Rate: 17.0 HP/s Movement Speed: 4.5 M/s Sprint Speed: 6.4 M/s Sprint Duration: 14.0 s Stamina: 140.0 - Gallente Logistics GK.0 High Slots: 3 \| Low Slots: 5 \| Equipment: 4 PG: 78 CPU: 390 Shield: 90 Armor: 180 Shield Recharge Rate: 15.0 HP/s Movement Speed: 4.7 M/s Sprint Speed: 6.6 M/s Sprint Duration: 12.5 s Stamina: 125.0 -Caldari Logistics CK.0 High Slots: 5 \| Low Slots: 4 \| Equipment: 3 PG: 78 CPU: 390 Shield: 180 Armor: 90 Shield Recharge Rate: 20.0 HP/s Movement Speed: 4.7 M/s Sprint Speed: 6.6 M/s Sprint Duration: 11.5 s Stamina: 115.0 -Minmatar Logicistics MK.0 High Slots: 4 \| Low Slots: 4 \| Equipment: 4 PG: 78 KW CPU: 390 Shield: 90 HP Armor: 150 HP Shield Recharge Rate: 20.0 HP/s Movement Speed: 5.0 M/s Sprint Speed: 7.0 M/s Sprint Duration: 12.0 s Stamina: 120.0
Geth Massredux Defensores Doctrina 383	Posted - 2013.06.10 03:25:00 - [2] - Quote I mean the Proto Amarr Logi already gets a sidearm, and you can 400+ shield and 400+ armor... I dont see the problem.... - Geth
Alina Heart DIOS EX. 242	Posted - 2013.06.10 03:30:00 - [3] - Quote Geth Massredux wrote: I mean the Proto Amarr Logi already gets a sidearm, and you can 400+ shield and 400+ armor... I dont see the problem.... - Geth Serious question. Did you even read my thread? I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I clearly stated the reasons why the Amarr Logi isn't up to par compared to the other proto logi suits. If you did read it, then thanks. I think I should post the possible fittings of all the other suits in comparison to the Amar Logi as well so you can see just how bad it lacks.
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 186	Posted - 2013.06.10 03:33:00 - [4] - Quote Signed, though I'm seeing more Amarr logis nowadays.
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 186	Posted - 2013.06.10 03:34:00 - [5] - Quote Geth Massredux wrote: I mean the Proto Amarr Logi already gets a sidearm, and you can 400+ shield and 400+ armor... I dont see the problem.... - Geth It's gimped PG count makes it extremely difficult to fit any equipment modules
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 241	Posted - 2013.06.10 03:35:00 - [6] - Quote /signed
Geth Massredux Defensores Doctrina 383	Posted - 2013.06.10 03:37:00 - [7] - Quote True FRetard, I was thinking about going Amarr Proto after the respec, when I get back on... And Fine I will read the thread... damnit... I just see a few of these same kind of threads and people dont realize the proto has that stuff.... But fine I will read the thread... - Geth
TheMarkOf22 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 198	Posted - 2013.06.10 03:39:00 - [8] - Quote It's the only logi with a side arm, it's fine... Scouts need pg/cpu if any suit gets a buff.
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 186	Posted - 2013.06.10 03:42:00 - [9] - Quote TheMarkOf22 wrote: It's the only logi with a side arm, it's fine... Scouts need pg/cpu if any suit gets a buff. Nope. Infact, it's PG is less than that of an Amarr Assault FFS
TheMarkOf22 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 198	Posted - 2013.06.10 03:43:00 - [10] - Quote More bad players asking for buffs and nerfs,

TheMarkOf22 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 198	Posted - 2013.06.10 03:45:00 - [11] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: It's the only logi with a side arm, it's fine... Scouts need pg/cpu if any suit gets a buff. Nope. Infact, it's PG is less than that of an Amarr Assault FFS i'm pretty sure it makes sense mathematically with the slots, but I can ignore all logic and math and just roll with it as that seems to be the cool thing to do around here.
Centurion mkII SVER True Blood 95	Posted - 2013.06.10 03:49:00 - [12] - Quote TheMarkOf22 wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: It's the only logi with a side arm, it's fine... Scouts need pg/cpu if any suit gets a buff. Nope. Infact, it's PG is less than that of an Amarr Assault FFS i'm pretty sure it makes sense mathematically with the slots, but I can ignore all logic and math and just roll with it as that seems to be the cool thing to do around here. Math mathematical sense? The amar logi has the same slots as assault but with three extra equipment slots. Please elaborate on what you mean.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 740	Posted - 2013.06.10 03:51:00 - [13] - Quote Centurion mkII wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: It's the only logi with a side arm, it's fine... Scouts need pg/cpu if any suit gets a buff. Nope. Infact, it's PG is less than that of an Amarr Assault FFS i'm pretty sure it makes sense mathematically with the slots, but I can ignore all logic and math and just roll with it as that seems to be the cool thing to do around here. Math mathematical sense? The amar logi has the same slots as assault but with three extra equipment slots. Please elaborate on what you mean. Only two more equipment slots than the Assault actually (1 vs 3). And less PG. Also, there's a thread with Dev feedback on this in Feedback.
TheMarkOf22 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 202	Posted - 2013.06.10 03:53:00 - [14] - Quote Centurion mkII wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: It's the only logi with a side arm, it's fine... Scouts need pg/cpu if any suit gets a buff. Nope. Infact, it's PG is less than that of an Amarr Assault FFS i'm pretty sure it makes sense mathematically with the slots, but I can ignore all logic and math and just roll with it as that seems to be the cool thing to do around here. Math mathematical sense? The amar logi has the same slots as assault but with three extra equipment slots. Please elaborate on what you mean. Based on the CPU and PG of other logi suits, the amount of PG per slot available seems to make sense, are you guys all that desperate to attempt to become good at a video game? Kid wants 4 highs 4 lows on a suit with 3 equipment slots and a primary and a side arm? and you nerds are calling the caldari logi OP? that suit would crush the caldri logi
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 186	Posted - 2013.06.10 03:57:00 - [15] - Quote TheMarkOf22 wrote: Centurion mkII wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: It's the only logi with a side arm, it's fine... Scouts need pg/cpu if any suit gets a buff. Nope. Infact, it's PG is less than that of an Amarr Assault FFS i'm pretty sure it makes sense mathematically with the slots, but I can ignore all logic and math and just roll with it as that seems to be the cool thing to do around here. Math mathematical sense? The amar logi has the same slots as assault but with three extra equipment slots. Please elaborate on what you mean. Based on the CPU and PG of other logi suits, the amount of PG per slot available seems to make sense, are you guys all that desperate to attempt to become good at a video game? Kid wants 4 highs 4 lows on a suit with 3 equipment slots and a primary and a side arm? and you nerds are calling the caldari logi OP? that suit would crush the caldri logi Lol pretty much the only thing the suit needs is an extra low slot and 78-79ish PG. Seems like you are purposefully ignoring other attributes of the suit.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 740	Posted - 2013.06.10 03:57:00 - [16] - Quote The consensus from the feedback thread above was closer to "adjust the PG inline with other logis" and add "1" low slot. This still leaves the Amarr logi with fewer slots than the other logis, but puts it at more slots than the assault - which is typical for logis. I don't think the Amarr logi needs another high slot either. It's probably better to put feedback on this issue into the thread that the devs already replied to though (it's got 10 pages I think).
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 411	Posted - 2013.06.10 04:01:00 - [17] - Quote TheMarkOf22 wrote: More bad players asking for buffs and nerfs, Go sh!t up your own threads.
TheMarkOf22 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 203	Posted - 2013.06.10 04:01:00 - [18] - Quote Lol pretty much the only thing the suit needs is an extra low slot and 78-79ish PG. Seems like you are purposefully ignoring other attributes of the suit.[/quote] So it will have the same PG as other suits and be able to fill every slot? I run caldri logi, and I only use 1 equipment slot to save on PG and I run a PG booster... Learn to make your suits, stop asking Dev's to hold your hand.
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission 143	Posted - 2013.06.10 04:03:00 - [19] - Quote the proto is fine, I use it. The adv version is trash though. Definitely should have a side arm slot as well, not just the proto.
TheMarkOf22 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 203	Posted - 2013.06.10 04:03:00 - [20] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: The consensus from the feedback thread above was closer to "adjust the PG inline with other logis" and add "1" low slot. This still leaves the Amarr logi with fewer slots than the other logis, but puts it at more slots than the assault - which is typical for logis. I don't think the Amarr logi needs another high slot either. It's probably better to put feedback on this issue into the thread that the devs already replied to though (it's got 10 pages I think). LOL complains about caldri logi and asks for a suit stronger then the caldri logi, makes sense?

True Adamance Ametat Security Amarr Empire 113	Posted - 2013.06.10 04:04:00 - [21] - Quote Hey I heard Amarr something buff this.... IM ALL FOR IT!
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 411	Posted - 2013.06.10 04:05:00 - [22] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: the proto is fine, I use it. The adv version is trash though. Definitely should have a side arm slot as well, not just the proto. The advanced version is indeed trash. I'd be happy to forgo the potential sidearm slot for extra speed.
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 186	Posted - 2013.06.10 04:05:00 - [23] - Quote TheMarkOf22 wrote: Lol pretty much the only thing the suit needs is an extra low slot and 78-79ish PG. Seems like you are purposefully ignoring other attributes of the suit. So it will have the same PG as other suits and be able to fill every slot? I run caldri logi, and I only use 1 equipment slot to save on PG and I run a PG booster... Learn to make your suits, stop asking Dev's to hold your hand.[/quote] So, you admit to using a Logi suit for Assault purposes . Not saying it's not allowed but GTFO this thread is for dedicated Amarr Logis who require that extra CPU/PG prolly more than an Assault
TheMarkOf22 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 203	Posted - 2013.06.10 04:05:00 - [24] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: the proto is fine, I use it. The adv version is trash though. Definitely should have a side arm slot as well, not just the proto. Weird, maybe your actually a decent player and the OP isn't. He probably doesn't know how to switch to his flaylock or invest in Core upgrades. So CCP I beg you, buff this man's suit and end his struggle!
Centurion mkII SVER True Blood 95	Posted - 2013.06.10 04:07:00 - [25] - Quote TheMarkOf22 wrote: Centurion mkII wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: It's the only logi with a side arm, it's fine... Scouts need pg/cpu if any suit gets a buff. Nope. Infact, it's PG is less than that of an Amarr Assault FFS i'm pretty sure it makes sense mathematically with the slots, but I can ignore all logic and math and just roll with it as that seems to be the cool thing to do around here. Math mathematical sense? The amar logi has the same slots as assault but with three extra equipment slots. Please elaborate on what you mean. Based on the CPU and PG of other logi suits, the amount of PG per slot available seems to make sense, are you guys all that desperate to attempt to become good at a video game? Kid wants 4 highs 4 lows on a suit with 3 equipment slots and a primary and a side arm? and you nerds are calling the caldari logi OP? that suit would crush the caldri logi That was unnecessarily rude response. I did some math and your right. The Pg/Slot count per suit is the same except for the fact amarr logis have .1 more then everyone else.
TheMarkOf22 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 203	Posted - 2013.06.10 04:08:00 - [26] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: Lol pretty much the only thing the suit needs is an extra low slot and 78-79ish PG. Seems like you are purposefully ignoring other attributes of the suit. So it will have the same PG as other suits and be able to fill every slot? I run caldri logi, and I only use 1 equipment slot to save on PG and I run a PG booster... Learn to make your suits, stop asking Dev's to hold your hand. So, you admit to using a Logi suit for Assault purposes . Not saying it's not allowed but GTFO this thread is for dedicated Amarr Logis who require that extra CPU/PG prolly more than an Assault[/quote] That's all you'll ever be useful for, hell just ask them to have nanite's, nanohives built into the suit. I can make any logi suit an assault, as they are great for versatile playstyles, been considering Amarr so I can rock the flaylock for easy kills...
Alina Heart DIOS EX. 243	Posted - 2013.06.10 04:52:00 - [27] - Quote TheMarkOf22 wrote: ...so I can rock the flaylock for easy kills... Ahhh, The Easy mode Duvolle TAC isn't so easy anymore so for you it's on to the next big easy thing. Bravo Mark, Bravo. By the way your thoughts and opinions are quite honestly, probably the worst this community has to offer. I don't know why anyone has even taken the time to respond to your idiocy seriously. 4 high 4 Low is even more broken than 5 High 4 low? Are you impaired?
TheMarkOf22 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 205	Posted - 2013.06.10 04:58:00 - [28] - Quote Alina Heart wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: ...so I can rock the flaylock for easy kills... Ahhh, The Easy mode Duvolle TAC isn't so easy anymore so for you it's on to the next big easy thing. Bravo Mark, Bravo. By the way your thoughts and opinions are quite honestly, probably the worst this community has to offer. I don't know why anyone has even taken the time to respond to your idiocy seriously. 4 high 4 Low is even more broken than 5 High 4 low? Are you impaired? You get a side arm dummy
Aquinarius Zoltanus The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 119	Posted - 2013.06.10 05:15:00 - [29] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: the proto is fine, I use it. The adv version is trash though. Definitely should have a side arm slot as well, not just the proto. I run an Amarr Logi, and this is the only suggestion I really agree with here. I'm bleeding ISK using this suit because if I want to use the suit's chief advantage of having a sidearm, I have to run proto. All the time. That said, I think that the suit is pretty balanced at proto, and I have seen plenty of them in both pubs and competitive PC matches. The question really comes down to, how much is a sidearm worth to you? I think CCP has rightly given it a fairly high pricetag balance-wise. Having a sidearm has saved my ass numerous times, and I think it's well worth being weaker in a few other areas. Just to list a few advantages of a sidearm, you have an extra full set of ammo before you need a nanohive/supply depo. In the heat of battle, if your primary runs out of ammo, you can switch to a fully loaded gun to finish them off. You can run some weapons (like Swarms) which would be silly to run as your only weapon. To me, the sidearm is worth the asking price.
Alina Heart DIOS EX. 244	Posted - 2013.06.10 06:00:00 - [30] - Quote TheMarkOf22 wrote: Alina Heart wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: ...so I can rock the flaylock for easy kills... Ahhh, The Easy mode Duvolle TAC isn't so easy anymore so for you it's on to the next big easy thing. Bravo Mark, Bravo. By the way your thoughts and opinions are quite honestly, probably the worst this community has to offer. I don't know why anyone has even taken the time to respond to your idiocy seriously. 4 high 4 Low is even more broken than 5 High 4 low? Are you impaired? You get a side arm dummy 4 high, 4 Low + A Toxin SMG = Holy Crap this is OP Seriously Stop posting you're embarrassing yourself.



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