Who has ever claimed this game was pure skill? Of course It's 50/50

Who has ever claimed this game was pure skill? Of course It's 50/50, but if you lack in a certain field you can make it up elsewhere. Not very skillful? Rush to proto gear so you can kill MLT and STD noobs easily. Don't have enough sp/ISK? Then start thinking more to take down those protos. I was actually able to headshot a PRO assault player 4 times with my STD Amarr logi suit and SCR, by hiding around the same 4 corners. Some PRO people are just plain stupid.

However if you have PRO gear AND you're good, then have fun stomping everyone else. That's how the game is supposed to be played.

It's a lie. Tactics > SP >>> Skill. That is the "balance" of DUST.

Yet utilizing proper tactics is a skill.

And sure in pubs a good player in decent gear can kill protos. They tend to get overconfident and play sloppily sometimes, if they're running over unskilled players in poor gear. I find myself on both sides of that equation somewhat often, but since I rarely run proto in pubs I fall into the "get careless" side of it far less often, at least.

I run 40k suits in pubs the large majority of the time and kill protos pretty constantly, since there's usually at least several proto reds in any given game. So either we have a misunderstanding somewhere or you simply can't accept the truth.

nah it is more like 90% SP and 9% luck and 1% skill.

Anyway how ever you add it up it comes down to 100% doom for this game.

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Don't believe me?

Lets look at the stats:

http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust

Ouch

Went from a peak of nearly 7500 on the first and has dropped to about 6000 on the 8th. That is nearly a 20% drop in a week....at the rate of losing 1500 players a week no one will be playing this game in 4 weeks.

The Sp/leveling system has systemically run away any new blood and the grind which the PC end game has become is pushing out the old players.

What I see in these types of situations, is the players with higher SP and better gear use absolutely NO tactics. They simply zerg. They move in a large red Proto blob and stomp anything in their path because tactics are not necessary when everyone on your team is 5x more powerful than anyone on the opposing team and using proto suits, modules, and weapons.

Truth is these proto stomping players are completely against any kind of matchmaking that would place them against equally matched players because they would then have to actually risk losing massive amounts of isk to operate in this fashion.

I have been very vocal about my feelings toward this here on the forums. I've just reposted my Ideas to solve the problem here:

70/30 is more like it


When you send a militia newbie against a full proto LogiPro the ratio is more like 30% skill to 70% gear. Good luck militia n00b.
And that's me being polite with the numbers. In spirit, I feel like this game is more along the lines of 10% skill-based and 90% gear-based in it's currnet build, but I'm mature enough to know that I need to spend a few more weeks playing the game before making such an extreme claim.

Weeks ?... try "MONTHS". It will take you about 6 months to get 6,000,000 sp, which is about the time where you start to be seriously competitive. Alot lest if you BUY SP boosters. ( Pay To Win )... But even then, by the time you get there, other people is going to have around 15,000,000 - 20,000,000 SP.. In other words... You going to be a NooB for ever, and ever, and ever, and ever ......

To add to my above statement, think about this...

Vets, did you face a grind against proto stomping players with all core skills maxed out? NO (at least most of you didn't)

A MLT AR is much more powerful in the hands of someone with 50% more base Ehp and 15% more base damage with 25% more accuracy than it is for a new player.

Now change to proto weapons and gear vs. noob.

Player skill is more a factor when playing against equally matched players.

But even then, by the time you get there, other people is going to have around 15,000,000 - 20,000,000 SP.. In other words... You going to be a NooB for ever, and ever, and ever, and ever ......

Simple. Kills Protos get against ADV and lower don't net any WP, SP , and ISK. Proto on Proto kills only make Protos money. ADV and lower kills a Proto? 3X points. Make Protos the hunted.

This is the way of New Eden. Its the same in EVE. There are people with ships and equipment that is both hard to obtain and higly skilled.

HTFU as they say.

They can take on small fleets by themselves and prevail. This is the way of new eden this is how the universe is.

When someone has been playing 6 months to a year and has great gear as well as a team of his bros from his corp, of course you are going to get stomped if you have only been playing 1 week and have basic ****.

I cant stress enough this is the way this game is meant to be. Now I know balance is slightly off but they will work on that.

This is the way of New Eden. Its the same in EVE. There are people with ships and equipment that is both hard to obtain and higly skilled.

HTFU as they say.

They can take on small fleets by themselves and prevail. This is the way of new eden this is how the universe is.

When someone has been playing 6 months to a year and has great gear as well as a team of his bros from his corp, of course you are going to get stomped if you have only been playing 1 week and have basic ****.

I cant stress enough this is the way this game is meant to be. Now I know balance is slightly off but they will work on that.

Who has ever claimed this game was pure skill? Of course It's 50/50, but if you lack in a certain field you can make it up elsewhere. Not very skillful? Rush to proto gear so you can kill MLT and STD noobs easily. Don't have enough sp/ISK? Then start thinking more to take down those protos. I was actually able to headshot a PRO assault player 4 times with my STD Amarr logi suit and SCR, by hiding around the same 4 corners. Some PRO people are just plain stupid.

However if you have PRO gear AND you're good, then have fun stomping everyone else. That's how the game is supposed to be played.

Yet utilizing proper tactics is a skill.

And sure in pubs a good player in decent gear can kill protos. They tend to get overconfident and play sloppily sometimes, if they're running over unskilled players in poor gear. I find myself on both sides of that equation somewhat often, but since I rarely run proto in pubs I fall into the "get careless" side of it far less often, at least.

Yet utilizing proper tactics is a skill.

And sure in pubs a good player in decent gear can kill protos. They tend to get overconfident and play sloppily sometimes, if they're running over unskilled players in poor gear. I find myself on both sides of that equation somewhat often, but since I rarely run proto in pubs I fall into the "get careless" side of it far less often, at least.