Can you get to level 5 of any skill without paying any money? Yes.
Can you get to any weapon without paying any money? Yes.

/thread

And how long will take you to get to level 5 of all the important skills, without Boosters ? 5 years ?

The boost is like what? 1/3rd?

It's hardly like people using boosters max all their stuff overnight. If it take 5 years to do it without boosters it will take 3+ years to do it with them.

You have a 20 dollar booster that's better and more expensive than any other booster and you only put it up for a week.

Which means the pay crowd can stock up on 3, 4, or 5 of them.

The non paying crowd who couldn't afford 20 dollars that week never gets the opportunity to get the same boost.

P2W?

Doing some math,
the pay crowd in 30 days is now 1.5 million sp ahead of the non paying crowd

by the way thats enough to never get killed by an LAV ever again.
Proto swarm, Proto AV
Think about that, nerf rats

That's an excellent observation. The booster user gets 50% more bonus SP in their bonus pool. So if/when the Bell Grande version, pr what ever the EFF they call it, is available those who purchase that will be that much more ahead in SP per week.

But, this is not, I repeat, NOT a pay2win game... at all... I mean, they said so at fanfest, right?

That's an excellent observation. The booster user gets 50% more bonus SP in their bonus pool. So if/when the Bell Grande version, pr what ever the EFF they call it, is available those who purchase that will be that much more ahead in SP per week.

But, this is not, I repeat, NOT a pay2win game... at all... I mean, they said so at fanfest, right?

No dude this was a booster that gave you a 100% boost and was only available for a limited time

Proto Av grenades don't stop you from being ran over.

Well, unfortunately, somehow a lot of people don't think that SP gives an advantage. Don't ask me how they don't realize that more SP = stronger character = advantage over lower SP character; it's just the way it is around here it seems. I don't get how it's even debatable myself, some of these skill when leveled to 5 are equivalent to an advanced or prototype item added to your suit without taking up a slot. Yet people talk like that's no advantage.

Ever since the first beta builds of this game I've felt it had "grind to win" written all over it. Well now there's those booster items that you can buy that make you grind SP out that much faster. People like to say it's "pay to grind less", but (IMHO) it's "pay to grind faster". There's a difference between the two, with boosters your SP cap is significantly higher allowing for more SP. AKA, more of an advantage over other players who don't have it.

What do I consider a pay to win game? A game that gives you an advantage over other players if you fork over some money. Is this not what happens in Dust?

After around 15 mil SP I imagine the playing field will even out more but I have to wonder how long it will take people to make it there and how much patience many players will have. Skill will always be a factor but you can't deny obvious advantages.

Not to mention the difference between isk contact grenades and the AUR fused locus grenades. Saw a thread about that awhile back that pointed it out to me and wow.. =/

Well, unfortunately, somehow a lot of people don't think that SP gives an advantage. Don't ask me how they don't realize that more SP = stronger character = advantage over lower SP character; it's just the way it is around here it seems. I don't get how it's even debatable myself, some of these skill when leveled to 5 are equivalent to an advanced or prototype item added to your suit without taking up a slot. Yet people talk like that's no advantage.

Ever since the first beta builds of this game I've felt it had "grind to win" written all over it. Well now there's those booster items that you can buy that make you grind SP out that much faster. People like to say it's "pay to grind less", but (IMHO) it's "pay to grind faster". There's a difference between the two, with boosters your SP cap is significantly higher allowing for more SP. AKA, more of an advantage over other players who don't have it.

What do I consider a pay to win game? A game that gives you an advantage over other players if you fork over some money. Is this not what happens in Dust?

After around 15 mil SP I imagine the playing field will even out more but I have to wonder how long it will take people to make it there and how much patience many players will have. Skill will always be a factor but you can't deny obvious advantages.

Not to mention the difference between isk contact grenades and the AUR fused locus grenades. Saw a thread about that awhile back that pointed it out to me and wow.. =/

Is simple math.. a normal booster give you a 50% boost, do that every week for 2.5 years... and you'll get the equivalent of 5 years of normal SP grinding.

Apparently NOT that simple (for you anyway).

And because I'm nice, 50% x 2.5 years + 2.5 years = 3.75 years

50% of 5 years is 2.5 years ( 2 years and 6 months )

2.5 + 2.5 = 5

50% more, is double than nothing at all.

You have a 20 dollar booster that's better and more expensive than any other booster and you only put it up for a week.

Which means the pay crowd can stock up on 3, 4, or 5 of them.

The non paying crowd who couldn't afford 20 dollars that week never gets the opportunity to get the same boost.

P2W?

Doing some math,
the pay crowd in 30 days is now 1.5 million sp ahead of the non paying crowd

by the way thats enough to never get killed by an LAV ever again.
Proto swarm, Proto AV
Think about that, nerf rats

Assuming it is the Omega booster which is 2x, and both of you cap and not play afterwards the person who payed would be 800K sp agead not 1.5 million, in the long run 800K sp is just getting a skill 4-5

Do you know how to read? the first sentence in my OP is about the 20 dollar booster and the last part of that sentence tells how it dissapeard after a week. For your information i did spend the 20 dollars on the pack.

You should uninstall your web browser because your an idiot and everything your saying is bullshit