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Tharak Meuridiar
The Empyrean Agency
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:58:00 -
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Game: Mortal Online Age: 3-5 years old Status: Active Info: Mortal online is a first person sandbox MMO. It has a very unique crafting and skill system. It also has rampant bugs and balance issues that have been there since release. For instance sometimes the skillbar just doesn't work after logging in. You rush into the middle of a fight and find you aren't switching weapons or activating abilities when you press the button. Also of the hundreds or race/age combos for characters ~10 are viable with only 2-5 combos being viable for each role. These issues have been around since release and have not been dealt with but people still play this game because it's unique.
Game: Shattered Galaxies Age: 7+ years Status: Active (At least it was when I checked last year) Info: Shattered Galaxies is a corner view 2D MMO in which you command a small squad of units in massive team based RTS battles in order to gain control of parts of the map for your faction. It is next to impossible to get ground units to hold formations even though you can customize them and there has not been a SINGLE noticeable update since I first played it in 2006. Like I'm really not sure if they have updated the game AT ALL.
These are just 2 of MANY, MANY, MMO's with critical issues that are still going strong. EVERY game's forums are filled with doomsayers saying "This game will fail because of X." Yet Mortal, Wurm, Shattered Galaxies, Xsyon, Darkfall etc are still on the market. Hell even SWG stayed on the market until they were forced to shut down in order to make way for TOR.
MMO's rarely ever shut down, especially those that offer something unique. Dust 514 is certainly unique and thus will endure the doomsayers.
Also to those saying "But player count is dropping!!!" OF COURSE IT IS. Find me any game that doesn't have a drop in population shortly after release. There is a spike in population as people try the game, and then a decline shortly afterward as some people decide they don't like it or their short attention span wears out for EVERY game. You will notice for EVERY game that releases and expansions cause a population peak and then decline.
The fact is the doomsayers are like the evil twins of fanboys. Equally oblivious to reality and insistent on their point of view. "This game didn't give me what I wanted the moment that I wanted it therefore it WILL fail."
No it won't. Take your tinfoil hat and cardboard sign that says the end is coming and go scream on another street corner.
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xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1880
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:01:00 -
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Warframe F2P PVE on PS4 DCUO F2P MMO/PVP/PVE on PS4 PS2 F2P massive FPS on PS4
bye bye DUST when PS4 releases. |
SENATOR KODOS
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:02:00 -
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Ya we know. There is always a handful of diehards who stay in bad games. |
Draka Marintu
TeamPlayers EoN.
14
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:05:00 -
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The PC community is alot more patient than the console community. Games die on console alot faster than pc if ccp doesn't get it together there not going to have a player base |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
364
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:07:00 -
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Thanks for not writing a troll thread and for being positive.
I also think that as DUST matures and people see that it is always there and free we will see a rise in numbers. New games will hurt the player base but passive SP and new content will bring them back. I am optimistic and hope to see more and more people come into New Eden for an experience that they can't get anywhere else. |
Aqua-Regia
Ahrendee Frontlinez
152
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:08:00 -
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SENATOR KODOS wrote:Ya we know. There is always a handful of diehards who stay in bad games. is MAG one, a bad game?
I like mag it was great in so many way,yet also suck alot in many way. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
364
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:10:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Warframe F2P PVE on PS4 DCUO F2P MMO/PVP/PVE on PS4 PS2 F2P massive FPS on PS4
bye bye DUST when PS4 releases.
We know what you are going to say, you should just put blank posts so we don't have to waste our time on your negativity.
I am going to ignore your posts because it is like trying to talk to my wife. |
GLiMPSE X
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
109
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:11:00 -
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If dust dies on ps3 it will live on on PC.
Works for me, saves me having to flick the button on my KV, and change the input on my tv/monitor. |
Tharak Meuridiar
The Empyrean Agency
10
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:12:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Warframe F2P PVE on PS4 DCUO F2P MMO/PVP/PVE on PS4 PS2 F2P massive FPS on PS4
bye bye DUST when PS4 releases.
I haven't looked into the other 2 but PlanetSide 2 cannot satisfy the niche Dust 514 caters too. Suits and vehicles aren't nearly as customizable and the styles of the battles are completely different. Plus it isn't linked to EVE Online, and I'm sure I'm not the only person with a PS3 not planning to rush out and get a full priced PS4 the moment it hits the market. Plus a lot of people are going to sell those old PS3s for less than 100$ to PC gamers like me that don't care about the latest and greatest console that much. Half the reason I got my current PS3 was to play blue-ray movies.
So as I said. Take your tinfoil hat and cardboard sign somewhere else. |
SENATOR KODOS
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:13:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:SENATOR KODOS wrote:Ya we know. There is always a handful of diehards who stay in bad games. is MAG one, a bad game? I like mag it was great in so many way,yet also suck alot in many way.
Ya I should have said games with great potential that are squandered instead of bad because at one point Mag was close to being one the all time greats but then it went to poop :( |
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Aero Yassavi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:14:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Warframe F2P PVE on PS4 DCUO F2P MMO/PVP/PVE on PS4 PS2 F2P massive FPS on PS4
bye bye DUST when PS4 releases. Warframe is a great game, but it doesn't take long to really do it all and it doesn't offer much after that. DCUO is a completely different type of game. PS2 will give Dust a run for it's money but they can co-exist with some shared player base. Honestly PS2 doesn't offer the same level of persistence Dust does, though has the combat down better. |
Immortal Solder Alpha
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Universal Accord
5
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:20:00 -
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Dust has already failed. |
Vin Vicious
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
124
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:24:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:SENATOR KODOS wrote:Ya we know. There is always a handful of diehards who stay in bad games. is MAG one, a bad game? I like mag it was great in so many way,yet also suck alot in many way.
Much like dust. Hence why it dead |
Immortal Solder Alpha
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Universal Accord
5
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:27:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Thanks for not writing a troll thread and for being positive.
I also think that as DUST matures and people see that it is always there and free we will see a rise in numbers. New games will hurt the player base but passive SP and new content will bring them back. I am optimistic and hope to see more and more people come into New Eden for an experience that they can't get anywhere else. DUST doesn't really offer anything you can't find in any other games. The only thing DUST really has going for it is a half assed connection to EVE that pretty much has ZERO influence on what happens on the ground during fights. The gameplay sucks The skill system makes it so it takes 6 months (actively capping every week) in order for a new guy to stand on his own two feet) ZERO original game modes 16v16 gameplay (it's 2013 if you're going to be an MMO FPS you need at least 48 players total on any given map) LAV's that a stronger than tanks LAG Framerate issues **** Poor hit detection that has NEVER BEEN fixed since replication (CCP only slowed the gameplay down to give you carebears a chance) Aiming that is completely botched Weapons that reward players for approximation (close enough is good enough in the world of DUST514) Heavy suits that are only good for camping gimped Assault suits gimped scout suits Omni class which is the logi that can do EVERYTHING and fit EVERYTHING A community filled with players that thought they were going to be factors in PC because they grabbed a bunch of land during a land grab, and are getting beat to hell and back, because they are TERRIBLE at the game. if you happen to think this game is going to survive when the PS4 comes out (as an alternative to other F2P AAA games) that will be available on the PS4 your just a ******* fanboy. Dust has already failed.
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Tharak Meuridiar
The Empyrean Agency
10
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:28:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:if you happen to think this game is going to survive when the PS4 comes out (as an alternative to other F2P AAA games) that will be available on the PS4 your just a ******* fanboy.
Dust 514 happens to be one of multiple games I'm playing while I wait on Star Citizen and Pathfinder Online.
Not a fanboy, just someone who's seen this scenario play out enough time to realize how full of kitten you tinfoil hat wearing doomsayers are. |
lllIIIlI IIIlIl
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:29:00 -
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New topic: If the game has already failed can it fail again? pls discuss |
Immortal Solder Alpha
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Universal Accord
5
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:30:00 -
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Stevie Wonder could see Dust is not gonna last. |
Immortal Solder Alpha
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Universal Accord
5
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:31:00 -
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lllIIIlI IIIlIl wrote:New topic: If the game has already failed can it fail again? pls discuss No, that would be Double Jeopardy. |
Tharak Meuridiar
The Empyrean Agency
10
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:33:00 -
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Immortal Solder Alpha wrote:Dust has already failed.
Servers online? Check People buying AUR? Check Thousands of players online? Check
How has it failed?
Oh that's right! You pulled your own criteria straight out of your kitten. |
Immortal Solder Alpha
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Universal Accord
5
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:33:00 -
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It was there, otherwise how could I quote it? |
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Immortal Solder Alpha
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Universal Accord
5
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:36:00 -
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Tharak Meuridiar wrote:Immortal Solder Alpha wrote:Dust has already failed. Servers online? Check People buying AUR?Check Thousands of players online? Check How has it failed? Oh that's right! You pulled your own criteria straight out of your kitten. Please read quote above your post. That is how it failed. People playing a failed game=fail. People buying Aurum for said failed game=epic fail. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:38:00 -
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Once online count drops below some critical threshold the game will fail because it's linked to EVE. I see two scenarios. One: it will forever stay as a half-game as it is now: no true connection to EVE, Dust battles have no meaningful impact on anyone playing EVE. In it'scurrent state it has failed: meaningless FPS battles with terrible FPS mechanics and balance. Two: if more features are introduced so as to have more of an impact on EVE, as opposed to 'being part of the EVE Universe' illusion as the game is right now, Dust will have to have a certain player count to be viable and support the meta game it's supposed to have. You cant' have 300 mercs in all of the EVE. You have to have thousands to support meaningful ingame transactions and maintain that meta game where ppl compete for tangible resources. For example: if there are more districts in PC than there are ppl who play Dust, no one would care to fight for them as the supply for them would far outpace the demand. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:42:00 -
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I also predict that Dust will fail as soon as some other developer who is better at making FPS will make a game with permanent resources to fight over to support a robust clan warfare. Something like Planetside but only for consoles. People who came to Dust following a promise of a persistent world where actions have a permanent effect will turn right around and jump on the next boat. |
Tharak Meuridiar
The Empyrean Agency
10
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:50:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:I also predict that Dust will fail as soon as some other developer who is better at making FPS will make a game with permanent resources to fight over to support a robust clan warfare. Something like Planetside but only for consoles. People who came to Dust following a promise of a persistent world where actions have a permanent effect will turn right around and jump on the next boat.
By the time that happens DUST 514 will have worked out many bugs, tied things together better, released more content, and people will have invested a lot of time into it.
Upon that game's release it will have most if not all of the issues the doomsayers are QQing about right now.
Most of these doomsayers will be QQing on some other new game's forums a few months from now, and another's a few month's on. Note that they are QQing here rather than playing one of the other games that meet all their expectations that the market has to offer. (Mainly because those games don't exist.)
This isn't my first trip on the new game train. The doomsayers are always prooven wrong in the end. |
CrotchGrab 360
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
108
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:51:00 -
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Tharak Meuridiar wrote:Game: Mortal Online Age: 3-5 years old Status: Active Info: Mortal online is a first person sandbox MMO. It has a very unique crafting and skill system. It also has rampant bugs and balance issues that have been there since release. For instance sometimes the skillbar just doesn't work after logging in. You rush into the middle of a fight and find you aren't switching weapons or activating abilities when you press the button. Also of the hundreds or race/age combos for characters ~10 are viable with only 2-5 combos being viable for each role. These issues have been around since release and have not been dealt with but people still play this game because it's unique.
Game: Shattered Galaxies Age: 7+ years Status: Active (At least it was when I checked last year) Info: Shattered Galaxies is a corner view 2D MMO in which you command a small squad of units in massive team based RTS battles in order to gain control of parts of the map for your faction. It is next to impossible to get ground units to hold formations even though you can customize them and there has not been a SINGLE noticeable update since I first played it in 2006. Like I'm really not sure if they have updated the game AT ALL.
These are just 2 of MANY, MANY, MMO's with critical issues that are still going strong. EVERY game's forums are filled with doomsayers saying "This game will fail because of X." Yet Mortal, Wurm, Shattered Galaxies, Xsyon, Darkfall etc are still on the market. Hell even SWG stayed on the market until they were forced to shut down in order to make way for TOR.
MMO's rarely ever shut down, especially those that offer something unique. Dust 514 is certainly unique and thus will endure the doomsayers.
Also to those saying "But player count is dropping!!!" OF COURSE IT IS. Find me any game that doesn't have a drop in population shortly after release. There is a spike in population as people try the game, and then a decline shortly afterward as some people decide they don't like it or their short attention span wears out for EVERY game. You will notice for EVERY game that releases and expansions cause a population peak and then decline.
The fact is the doomsayers are like the evil twins of fanboys. Equally oblivious to reality and insistent on their point of view. "This game didn't give me what I wanted the moment that I wanted it therefore it WILL fail."
No it won't. Take your tinfoil hat and cardboard sign that says the end is coming and go scream on another street corner.
"hey guys, not every game dies it just stays broken! Look to the future for DUST because the servers will be online yet it will have balance issues and numerous bugs which won't be fixed! But it's still active! I mean look at this one game, it's horrible and hasn't been updated in 7 years but somebody plays it!
great reasoning,
im now so happy for the future
/wrists |
KatanaPT
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
163
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:06:00 -
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Basic flaw in your argument:
Playstation 3 lifetime and if Sony sees its a failing game it wont support it trough PS4.
A console isn't a PC. |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
722
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:12:00 -
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PS4 is going to bring a lot of competition for Dust.
Dust wont be the only Decent-Good Free2Play game on the PS4.
There are at least 3 decent F2P games Dust will have to compete with,
Warframe Blacklight: Retribution and probably its biggest competitor Planetside 2.
Only reason to continue logging into Dust is to grind, once my Active Booster goes to waste, and I get The Last of Us. GG Dust. |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
58
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:15:00 -
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KatanaPT wrote:Basic flaw in your argument:
Playstation 3 lifetime and if Sony sees its a failing game it wont support it trough PS4.
A console isn't a PC.
I think this hits the ******* nail on the ******* head. +1. I think numbers need to stay as high as possible and AUR purchases need to sustain the effort and allow a profit. |
Ayures II
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
140
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:21:00 -
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EVE is and has always been a bad game. However, it's constantly improving and gaining new players every year. DUST will be no different, and I'll still play it. |
steadyhand amarr
Amarr Immortal Volunteers
661
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:30:00 -
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I'm an ex matrix online player. Trust me it takes a hell of a lot to kill a game :-) dust has enought hardcore fanboys to keep the game going forever who are also happy to by arum. Dust is not going anywere.......littary it's a nishy hit so it will grow slowly AMD have a solid following :-P |
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steadyhand amarr
Amarr Immortal Volunteers
661
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Posted - 2013.06.06 13:00:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:KatanaPT wrote:Basic flaw in your argument:
Playstation 3 lifetime and if Sony sees its a failing game it wont support it trough PS4.
A console isn't a PC. I think this hits the ******* nail on the ******* head. +1. I think numbers need to stay as high as possible and AUR purchases need to sustain the effort and allow a profit. I think Sony is more intrested in the tech that comes with Dust514. It's very useful testbed for data they can then use in plantside :-P:-P |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
102
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Posted - 2013.06.06 13:58:00 -
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I think there is a viability threshold for Dust 514. I will not guess at the numbers because I have no clue though I suspect current numbers to be on the low side.
To be viable on a long term basis I believe they will need numbers similar to Eve. This based on the amount of Aurum etc items that need to be bought to pay for the Dust 514 teams and resources. Would anyone like to guess how much CCPs monthly costs are for this game is? Especially when you add in salaries. At a minimum it must be tens of thousands of Gé¼ if not more. Now you could say that there are probably 20k active players in all of the different time zones but we have no idea how many of them actually spend money on this game.
Even if all 20k did spend money every month it would still be close to break even at best. If numbers do not improve then CCP has broadly 2 options:
1. Reduce staff and resources to the point they are making money. This would result in limited expansions at a slower pace but avoids closing the project completly and you have the permanent half life some have mentioned.
2. Go all in for the next couple of years. That is to say ignore current user figures, and the possible losses they may be making at the moment in the hopes that the larger team will improve the game to the point that it is comparable to a AAA game in terms of gameplay and has a more complex and involving back story and function than most of those games.
My hope is obviously with option 2 as it result in me enjoying this game in years to come. However, I can not deny that Dust 514 has to improve in all respects if CCP wants to be able to hold its own against other AAA titles in the years to come.
To those arguing about the PS4 my opinion is as follows. Dust does not need to be on the PS4 in the first year unless there are some dramatic updates to the game. However, I could see Dust 514 PS4 specials appearing for Christmas 2014. 2013 is all about the first adopters willing to pay high prices for the console and take the risk that there may still be issues with the hardware etc that need to be resolved. The major sales will come in the following year when the tech is proven and/or updated and the price is more reasonable and more accessories and games are on the market.
As I see it CCP has 2 maybe 3 expansions to prove that Dust 514 has a viable, and growing, future so long as they fix the actual gameplay mechanics soon, and I do mean soon. Plenty of games have problems but most people will stick it out for a while if they see those problems resolved in a timely fashion.
For me the priorities would be as follows:
1. Gameplay mechanics. If the gun game is not fluid and predictable and comparable to other FPS then you will loose most people before they bother to learn anything else about the game. 2. New modes including some variant of PVE. My preferences would be focused on squad based PVE but some solo would be good as well. 3. Introduction of all racial variants of existing versions. They can work on new models and introduce them with the expansions e.g. Proto tanks, jet fighters etc 4. Better and more profitable links to Eve.
There are plenty of things I have not mentioned, like the open market, but these can be added as part of updating the game.
I do not believe Dust 514 will fail but I have no idea what it will look like in a year. It could be an incredible and complex game or something very niche with a very small budget. |
Atikali Havendoorr
HERBGROWERS
18
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Posted - 2013.06.06 14:34:00 -
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Tharak Meuridiar wrote:Game: Mortal Online Age: 3-5 years old Status: Active Info: Mortal online is a first person sandbox MMO. It has a very unique crafting and skill system. It also has rampant bugs and balance issues that have been there since release. For instance sometimes the skillbar just doesn't work after logging in. You rush into the middle of a fight and find you aren't switching weapons or activating abilities when you press the button. Also of the hundreds or race/age combos for characters ~10 are viable with only 2-5 combos being viable for each role. These issues have been around since release and have not been dealt with but people still play this game because it's unique. [...]
Holy macaroni! That is still alive? Hah!
I was kinda involved in the development. One of my best friends worked on it as a graphics artist from start to first release. Management was terrible, totally senseless idea to start with an MMO as a first game ever for a team. The producer had very little knowledge about the gaming industry. They were running out of both time and money, which is more rule than exception, and management told them to work overtime, but didn't pay for it. Many left because of this. That-¦s why it kinda failed. But my mate stayed, just to have it on the CV. He left shortly after release. I took the picture of the whole team for the special edition art book. Wonder if it ever shipped.
The idea was great, but the production was a failure.
My mate is very good though, probably the best matte painter in Sweden. http://kupski.net/ |
PonyClause Rex
TRAMADOL KNIGHTS
48
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Posted - 2013.06.06 14:41:00 -
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Now is the time CCP should be marketing Dust for PS4 |
Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona
36
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Posted - 2013.06.06 15:39:00 -
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Dust 514 dies if not converted next gen console (ps4)that is my opinion. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
299
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Posted - 2013.06.06 15:48:00 -
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These games are truly unique offering experience that no one else can. Same for EVE, it has no competition.
Now, what about Dust? Well, its a FPS, which means its competeing in a highly saturated market of well refined shooters that got the basics to a science. The one thing Dust does better than them is customization. Time vs Reward requires too much time to get anywhere (yes there is a mathematical formula that knows when to reward people for x amount of time played), so progression isn't one of them. And CCP didn't take PC far enough for it to be considered a big plus. Maps aren't that big. Player counts aren't that good. Graphics are PS2.5 era. Aiming is terribad. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
217
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Posted - 2013.06.07 01:45:00 -
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Tharak Meuridiar wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:I also predict that Dust will fail as soon as some other developer who is better at making FPS will make a game with permanent resources to fight over to support a robust clan warfare. Something like Planetside but only for consoles. People who came to Dust following a promise of a persistent world where actions have a permanent effect will turn right around and jump on the next boat. By the time that happens DUST 514 will have worked out many bugs, tied things together better, released more content, and people will have invested a lot of time into it. Upon that game's release it will have most if not all of the issues the doomsayers are QQing about right now. Most of these doomsayers will be QQing on some other new game's forums a few months from now, and another's a few month's on. Note that they are QQing here rather than playing one of the other games that meet all their expectations that the market has to offer. (Mainly because those games don't exist.) This isn't my first trip on the new game train. The doomsayers are always prooven wrong in the end.
Do you play mostly PC games? For a new console game Dust falls far below average. But you know, I do wish that you are right. I would enjoy the game again and support CCP if only they wanted to do their job and fix what's broken. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
217
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Posted - 2013.06.07 01:47:00 -
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PonyClause Rex wrote:Now is the time CCP should be marketing Dust for PS4
LOL, that would be balls of them! |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2240
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Posted - 2013.06.07 01:56:00 -
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I'm sure Dust will continue to be rubbish for years to come, they'll port to PS4.
PvE & Industry would probably go a long way towards helping the game survive. |
Tharak Meuridiar
The Empyrean Agency
30
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Posted - 2013.06.07 02:20:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:Do you play mostly PC games? For a new console game Dust falls far below average. But you know, I do wish that you are right. I would enjoy the game again and support CCP if only they wanted to do their job and fix what's broken.
This is based off a more PC like model. Most PC shooters ship as finished products that may or may not include purchasable add-ons at a later date.
Dust is running off the free-expansion MMO model which means the game is continually fixing bugs and adding more content for free as long as you pay the sub fee (which for this game is nothing).
That may not appeal to the greater PS FPS crowd but it's worked well enough on the PC that it should draw a crowd large enough to support this title. There were 6000+ players when I logged on during my break. Which means this game is doing fine ATM. 6000+ online at one time suggests a population of tens or hundreds of thousands. Remember, the people paying the most for AUR lead productive lives that don't allow them to be online 24/7. |
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Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
74
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Posted - 2013.06.07 02:31:00 -
[41] - Quote
This game has the special position of being able to fail with every new release. And it can even fail a few times over in between those times.
It's really in a special spot. A unique game. None like it has ever existed. |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
287
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Posted - 2013.06.07 02:42:00 -
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Give me long life or give me bacon.
Ps: I really like bacon. |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
774
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Posted - 2013.06.07 03:16:00 -
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Tharak Meuridiar wrote:Immortal Solder Alpha wrote:Dust has already failed. Servers online? Check People buying AUR? Check Thousands of players online? Check How has it failed? Oh that's right! You pulled your own criteria straight out of your kitten.
Your equating failed to not having players online, so your kind of pulling that out of your own mind either. Your setting your own criteria for failure while then denying that same ability to set criteria to others... |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.07 03:20:00 -
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Tharak Meuridiar wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:I also predict that Dust will fail as soon as some other developer who is better at making FPS will make a game with permanent resources to fight over to support a robust clan warfare. Something like Planetside but only for consoles. People who came to Dust following a promise of a persistent world where actions have a permanent effect will turn right around and jump on the next boat. By the time that happens DUST 514 will have worked out many bugs, tied things together better, released more content, and people will have invested a lot of time into it. Upon that game's release it will have most if not all of the issues the doomsayers are QQing about right now. Most of these doomsayers will be QQing on some other new game's forums a few months from now, and another's a few month's on. Note that they are QQing here rather than playing one of the other games that meet all their expectations that the market has to offer. (Mainly because those games don't exist.) This isn't my first trip on the new game train. The doomsayers are always prooven wrong in the end.
Also, you say with confidence it will be fixed but the issues you speak of have been issues for over a year in beta and yet there is little progress. Sorry, I don't buy that all of a sudden DUST will magically become better and fix its myriad problems, especially at this rate. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.07 03:34:00 -
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Does anyone here remember Earth and Beyond? That happened to be one of the few games that actually did fail. This was also the game from which Eve Online saw an influx of new players shortly after. |
Geth Massredux
Defensores Doctrina
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Posted - 2013.06.07 03:39:00 -
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LMFAO to the person who said Dust 514 will fail..... |
Bytrine Prototype
Shoot it Strip it.INC
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Posted - 2013.06.07 04:12:00 -
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This game is great, but is hugely unbalanced.
One grenade to kill a Tank? Really.... Even if it was one of the best grenades on the Marketplace, it shouldn't be able to blow up the tank in one go.
The spawn system in the Ambush Game-mode is HUGELY crappy. I lost count at how many times I get spawn killed.
The method of getting SP is hugely unbalanced. Though I understand they want it to take awhile, but after your given 500k (or is it 250k? idk) SP once character is made, do you know how long or how bad of a grind it is to just unlock ONE SKILL? Hours.
To me, that is hugely unbalanced as you should get way more than 3,000 SP for every won/lost match. And I know my performance is decent as I can get a 10/0 in Ambush with a tank and I still averaged about 5k SP, when I need 143k just to unlock another level of Dropsuit Command.
I love this game and see it's potential and it's very fun... but I think you should get way more Skill Points. I mean, if I can get 200k+ ISK in one match, why do I only get 3k SP? If they could boost it up to 10k SP for a LOST match, I'd be happy.
I have 5,000,000+ ISK right now and no way to spend it as I am constantly grinding to unlock one level.
(also, SP boosters are a waste of money and don't do much)
I'm not being a doomsayer, or trying to be. I just don't like a few things and I want you all to recognize the flaws this game has, as well as it's many pros. |
da GAND
187. Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.06.09 05:39:00 -
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Draka Marintu wrote:The PC community is alot more patient than the console community. Games die on console alot faster than pc if ccp doesn't get it together there not going to have a player base
at this rate of updates this game will fail, and this failure will be on CCP's record permanently. They gotta remember that their mostly dealing with the FPS community here. |
Tactic Angel
GodsWolves
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Posted - 2013.06.09 06:38:00 -
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While I do not like the 'Dust will not fail because it is not as broken as these other awful games,' there is certainly a point there. I prefer to look at EVE and CCP's commitment to an ever growing and expanding experience. I played EVE for about two years, and while I was pretty much on the fringe of doing anything interesting, I do have to say that I could see the changes and improvements. I also played the beta, and for anyone to say that the game is as broken now as when I started is completely ridiculous. In the 4 or 5 major builds I have played, every one has provided improvements to the gameplay, stability, and overall experience. I probably wouldn't say we are at 'AAA shooter' today, but its just a matter of time. |
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