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itt: Another barely literate thread from spkr4theDowns.

Did they modify the LAV physics in the latest update?

Yeah I hated physics, the bastards made me take 2 semesters of it though to get my Biology degree, but what I am arguing for is more realistic physics than what we currently have. Force = mass/acceleration. The force of a bullet is usually greater than that of a car because while it has less mass it has far more acceleration, acceleration that is focused on a small area. Yet our cloned super soldiers wear armor with shielding that is able to dissipate that force at the cost of expending its own energy, thus why your shields or armor drop with every bullet, plasma round, or joule of energy absorbed by either the shield or armor plate. Of course the more powerful the shield or plate the more energy needed to power and the more complex systems needed to run it, thus the increased CPU and PG cost.

However, with LAVs the force of the object remains constant and the only variables involved are the acceleration of the vehicle and the energy (if you will) the shields and/or armor absorbing the force of impact. Yet with our current mechanic getting hit by a vehicle is constant one hit kill regardless of the acceleration of the vehicle or the shield/armor energy the recipient of that force has to absorb and mitigate that impact.

So while I still do hate physics, IMO, in this particular argument physics is my ally and your enemy my friend.

"So, still, why should damage be reduced or eliminated when a vehicle hits someone?"


Well it should depend on the velocity of the vehicle, and it should do a certain amount of damage based on that velocity. Also being hit by such a vehicle should also transfer much of that impact force into sending the recipient (I.E. the poor ******* getting hit) flying away from the force of impact.

So what I wish we had is sort of a calculation where we substitute force for damage and thus....

Damage = Mass * Acceleration

The mass of LAVs can be considered constant so then damage = acceleration. If acceleration is high enough and the amount of damage the person being hit can absorb is low enough then death occurs. If not the target if knocked back a distance proportional to the force of impact and loses however much damage would be incurred, but survives.

"So, still, why should damage be reduced or eliminated when a vehicle hits someone?"


Well it should depend on the velocity of the vehicle, and it should do a certain amount of damage based on that velocity. Also being hit by such a vehicle should also transfer much of that impact force into sending the recipient (I.E. the poor ******* getting hit) flying away from the force of impact.

So what I wish we had is sort of a calculation where we substitute force for damage and thus....

Damage = Mass * Acceleration

The mass of LAVs can be considered constant so then damage = acceleration. If acceleration is high enough and the amount of damage the person being hit can absorb is low enough then death occurs. If not the target if knocked back a distance proportional to the force of impact and loses however much damage would be incurred, but survives.

lolno

Though I do like the idea of being able to shoot out the tires on LAV and break the tracks on HAV. IDK that it should entirely immobilize (maybe for the HAVs with broken tracks) them though I would imagine it would have a negative effect on handling. If you couldn't adapt to driving on rims then you shouldn't be operating vehicles.

Why should running someone over damage the vehicle? I already bounce off people after hitting them with either a LAV or HAV. You want me to blow up after hitting a heavy? How could you possibly explain that?

Does it say that in lore?

Simple solution, no big changes for people who use LAVs as transportation. However much damage the LAV does to a player should be reflected back onto the vehicle(up to a maximum of the current ehp of the one getting run over). You should be able to run over scouts and not even get into armor, but if you run down a few suits with a significant amount of ehp in quick succession I would expect your vehicle to stop functioning(and explode).

Realistically, hitting a deer would do about the same amount of damage a regular person would do to your vehicle, hitting a moose would be anyone in a drop suit(not so much scouts but more than a regular person). Most of the time a car can drive away from hitting a deer, very rarely will they drive away after hitting a moose.

Pics are bloody.
Car vs Deer
Car vs Moose

car= no armor, no shields barely any metal in them now, not meant for combat
LAV=armor and shields, reinforced, meant for combat and resistant to damage
deer/moose= large meat filled animal that's larger and more weight then people
merc= clone that's meant to resist small arms fire and doesn't equal the weight of a moose.
ever seen Humvees(armored) that hit people. barely dents them if at all. that's like LAV running over mercs barely even dents them if at all because mercs are not moose and LAVs are the same as cars.

deer=no armor, no shields no metal in them whatsoever, not meant for combat
merc=armor and shields, reinforced, meant for combat and resistant to damage, also larger and more weight than people

Armored humvees are certainly not light, nor do they have a turning radius of a pin head, nor can they jump 50m by going over a small hill. In order to get the performance and handling(or lack thereof) the LAV would need to be very light(as in nearly no armor).

I can fall from the mcc, not hit my dampeners, and live with about half of my armor left. Why should a car moving slower than I am falling kill me instantly(do note that if we're using earth gravity I'm hitting the ground at over 100km/h)?

The militia LAV has something like 950 armor, a heavy can have just about that much armor as well and just as much weight if suit armor is made out of the same stuff as LAV armor(presumably it is to save weight).

In any case, Newtons laws being what they are, I still expect the LAV to take damage equal to the damage the suit takes. The LAVs weak point is the hood(which just so happens to be where the drivers like to ram people) so it could be said that it should take more damage than the suit can actually take.



AV grenades could be fixed to work again(they don't track properly and only get partial hits sometimes).


Barring that I want deployable lamp posts.

That would require addition coding and animations. I doubt CCP wants to do that.

Can't say I've ever seen a bomb suit get run over, nor have I seen one shot with a plasma rifle. From what I've read it seems that a single sniper bullet can kill the operator - not so in Dust where it can take more than 3 hits to get a kill - more for a heavy.

Actually I want all logistics LAVs tires to flatten when I shoot at them, making them completely immobile. Then I want the people who were trying to murder taxi to be stuck in their immobile LAV for the rest of the match because of an electronics malfunction where they cannot unbuckle their seatbelt.

That would make me quite happy.

from what I have read a heavy can't survive a remote explosive

Did you know that the wheels on the Moon rover aren't filled with air? They're made out of metal.

I would imagine CCP did the same thing for the LAVs. So no, they shouldn't pop.

You got that right, I suck at this game, anyone who plays with or against can tell you that. I actually play for fun and not for a sense of self-esteem. So now that we got that out of the way, people who use LAVs as weapons because they are OHK are lame, simple as that, it pisses me off and I have very little skill at this game I can't imagine how it must **** off those that can actually play it well.

For me it will be easy, once I can grind for my SP in PvE I won't give a crap what you jackasses do in pub matches run each other over to your hearts content. No one uses such noob tactics in PC battles But being run over as instant kill at any velocity will always be stupid.

No one uses such noob tactics in PC battles

Good point. But the reason it is not used is because it is easily countered. PC players don't not use it because of honor or equality. They don;t use it because it does not work. AV tactics and simple battle ground awareness shuts down people driving death cabs very quickly and makes he tactic worthless if not damaging to your own team (getting killed does not help your team).

LAVs don't need a nerf you and others need to get better at destroying them and avoiding them.

You like PvE...think of LAVs as a sub boss that you need to counter and put down before progressing.

I mean in PvE if a sub boss uses an attack that is easy to avoid yet you keep not avoiding it should that sub-boss be nerfed?