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Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 574	Posted - 2013.06.05 06:12:00 - [1] - Quote They locked a thread a while back that complained about there being no isk variant of the aurum fused locust grenades. They said they were putting out a isk variant. The Thukker does not count as a isk variant of the fused locust. It's nothing like the fused locust except it's contact property. Shame on you CCP, shame on you.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4894	Posted - 2013.06.05 06:16:00 - [2] - Quote Help me out here a bit. Are you saying the aur version needs to be nerfed to the isk version?
The Black Art Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 65	Posted - 2013.06.05 06:16:00 - [3] - Quote Sontie wrote: The Thukker does not count as a isk variant of the fused locust. It's nothing like the fused locust except it's contact property. Uh...what exactly were you looking for in the ISK version of Fused Locus grenades that the Thukker doesn't provide?
Nimerae BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 0	Posted - 2013.06.05 06:18:00 - [4] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Help me out here a bit. Are you saying the aur version needs to be nerfed to the isk version? Or the ISK buffed to the aur version
XiBravo TeamPlayers EoN. 86	Posted - 2013.06.05 06:20:00 - [5] - Quote The only thing that should be said about any fused / contact grenade is why are they in the game? ** why have they not been removed yet is also acceptable.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1721	Posted - 2013.06.05 06:23:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Help me out here a bit. Are you saying the aur version needs to be nerfed to the isk version? 6m blast radius for AUR version. ISK version gets 2.5 Clearly one of these is not like the others
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers EoN. 73	Posted - 2013.06.05 06:24:00 - [7] - Quote Fused Locus: 400 damage 6.0 radius (what?) 2 Max Thukker: 600 damage 2.5 radius. 3 Max Max ammo doesn't count if you have nanos. And all the while I have seen maybe three people using a MD in PC. CCP: Nerfs MD because it is too effective in CCP; adds something better that you have to pay for.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4896	Posted - 2013.06.05 06:34:00 - [8] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Fused Locus: 400 damage 6.0 radius (what?) 2 Max Thukker: 600 damage 2.5 radius. 3 Max Max ammo doesn't count if you have nanos. And all the while I have seen maybe three people using a MD in PC. CCP: Nerfs MD because it is too effective(At their LAN parties) ; adds something better that you have to pay for. Also note the CPU and PG req differences between the two nades. ((Why does flaylock pistol have such absurdly low PG reqs?)) Unrelated question. I guess they have to do something to keep the new players interested? MDs (as well as all projectile based weapons) are suffering from a serious bug, a fix has been made but wont make it until next code release.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1721	Posted - 2013.06.05 06:35:00 - [9] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: Fused Locus: 400 damage 6.0 radius (what?) 2 Max Thukker: 600 damage 2.5 radius. 3 Max Max ammo doesn't count if you have nanos. And all the while I have seen maybe three people using a MD in PC. CCP: Nerfs MD because it is too effective(At their LAN parties) ; adds something better that you have to pay for. Also note the CPU and PG req differences between the two nades. ((Why does flaylock pistol have such absurdly low PG reqs?)) Unrelated question. I guess they have to do something to keep the new players interested? MDs (as well as all projectile based weapons) are suffering from a serious bug, a fix has been made but wont make it until next code release. MDs would still get outclassed even if that wasn't the case, you do realize this right?
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1722	Posted - 2013.06.05 06:44:00 - [10] - Quote Freedom MD (proto) With skills 448.27 per direct hit 146.74 splash damage 4.125 blast radius. Perks: more range, more ammo. Sure, the MD would outlast the grenade user, but in a direct 1 on 1 the grenade would stomp all over the MD.

Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers EoN. 74	Posted - 2013.06.05 06:44:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: Fused Locus: 400 damage 6.0 radius (what?) 2 Max Thukker: 600 damage 2.5 radius. 3 Max Max ammo doesn't count if you have nanos. And all the while I have seen maybe three people using a MD in PC. CCP: Nerfs MD because it is too effective(At their LAN parties) ; adds something better that you have to pay for. Also note the CPU and PG req differences between the two nades. ((Why does flaylock pistol have such absurdly low PG reqs?)) Unrelated question. I guess they have to do something to keep the new players interested? MDs (as well as all projectile based weapons) are suffering from a serious bug, a fix has been made but wont make it until next code release. What serious bug is this? It works the same as it did last patch, except with less splash and damage... Were they not aware of this serious bug last build? I am sure someone must have come across it at their lan parties... I hit people pretty often at this point. If it has to do with the splash getting caught on ridges, that isn't the problem with the gun. I've been doing this long enough to know what can hit and what can't... So I usually try to take shots that can hit. The problem isn't with hitting people, even with the splash nerf. The problem is that I have to hit them with a flux through heavy lag to have any chance of killing someone.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4896	Posted - 2013.06.05 06:45:00 - [12] - Quote Its a numeration of things, but basically what the server is seeing and what you are seeing involving the mass driver is two different stories.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1722	Posted - 2013.06.05 06:46:00 - [13] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Its a numeration of things, but basically what the server is seeing and what you are seeing involving the mass driver is two different stories. And do grenades not count as projectiles? Cause the bug should effect them as well.
Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 575	Posted - 2013.06.05 06:51:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Help me out here a bit. Are you saying the aur version needs to be nerfed to the isk version? No, not at all. I'm just saying that CCP said that the isk version and the aurum versions are the same and they are not.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers EoN. 74	Posted - 2013.06.05 06:52:00 - [15] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Its a numeration of things, but basically what the server is seeing and what you are seeing involving the mass driver is two different stories. So can we get a temp buff to compensate for this? It wouldn't be that hard to change a couple of numbers on the marketplace... And then CCP can "rebalance" it once they fix it. If something isn't working right and is really gimp in laggy situations (nearly every PC battle)... Why not do what you can in the mean time, instead of waiting until Wang-knows-when to fix it?
Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 575	Posted - 2013.06.05 06:55:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Update on this: We did deploy ISK variant of this grenade to the market - "Thukker Contact Locus Grenade" for 23,190 ISK. This post is a lie. The Thukker is not a isk variant of the Fused Locust grenade. It is just an isk contact grenade at the proto level.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3219	Posted - 2013.06.05 07:43:00 - [17] - Quote So basically, the Fused Locus Grenade is a totally broken AUR item that needs a hard nerf? re-reads stats Yep. Seriously, CCP, this is still kind of screwed. Fix? EDIT: Also, for the record, "Locus" is a real word. You can stop calling them "Locust" Grenades now.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1726	Posted - 2013.06.05 07:51:00 - [18] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: EDIT: Also, for the record, "Locus" is a real word. You can stop calling them "Locust" Grenades now. Interesting...
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries 164	Posted - 2013.06.05 07:54:00 - [19] - Quote Fused shouldn't be in the game.... BUT WTF 6.0m blast radius?! CCP weapon balancing
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 104	Posted - 2013.06.05 07:57:00 - [20] - Quote Why havent CCP removed his monastery from the game yet?

DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 515	Posted - 2013.06.05 08:04:00 - [21] - Quote Thukkers have the power of a Core... which is insane, but with less range. They are proto though, gonna be a while before I fork over ~1 million SP to get prototype nades (I'm at M1's right now, need 2 more levels). Not exactly what I had in mind for ISK variant of impact nades, but I guess they won't get abused too much this way (until more people go lvl 5 nades). Fused are still p2w though, as they require little to no SP investment, they are as powerful as STD nades, and are AUR only.
XiBravo TeamPlayers EoN. 87	Posted - 2013.06.05 08:07:00 - [22] - Quote Only a matter of time till player base has proto nades. #theendisnear
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3219	Posted - 2013.06.05 08:08:00 - [23] - Quote Lets play with maths! Using a volume calculator (because I can't be bothered working it out properly), entering 2.5m and 6m into a spherical volume calculator gives the following. 2.4m radius = 65.54 cubic metre volume. Sounds pretty big, until you see this: 6m radius = [b]904.78 cubic metres. WTF? That's well over 10x the affected volume of space. Even accounting for half the blast being interrupted by terrain (the grenade is on the ground), you're looking at 5x the blast volume of an UNINTERRUPTED Thukker blast. So to be fair, it should be dealing an appropriately reduced amount of damage. I think 200 is fair. Unless they really feel the Fused Locus needs that kind of damage, in which case, cut the radius back to 4m, which means a volume of about 268 cubic metres. That sounds fair enough to me.
XiBravo TeamPlayers EoN. 89	Posted - 2013.06.05 08:28:00 - [24] - Quote I appreciate striving for balance backed by mathematical equations as much as the next guy, EXCEPT concerning contact grenades as the only solution is to scrap the idea and remove them completely. (Multiply by zero for u math magicians)
Jabroni Beater PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 1	Posted - 2013.06.05 08:29:00 - [25] - Quote I dunno how it is in the PC matches, but since Fused grenades have shown up, I haven't seen them even once in a public match...so I can't really see what the big deal is, even if the Fused and Thukker are radically different.
James-5955 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 193	Posted - 2013.06.05 08:33:00 - [26] - Quote Jabroni Beater wrote: I dunno how it is in the PC matches, but since Fused grenades have shown up, I haven't seen them even once in a public match...so I can't really see what the big deal is, even if the Fused and Thukker are radically different. I'm at a loss for words right now... I'm going to rage quit the forums for the night, this is getting ridiculous.
Orenji Jiji Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 82	Posted - 2013.06.05 08:36:00 - [27] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Thukkers have the power of a Core... which is insane, but with less range. They are proto though, gonna be a while before I fork over ~1 million SP to get prototype nades (I'm at M1's right now, need 2 more levels). Not exactly what I had in mind for ISK variant of impact nades, but I guess they won't get abused too much this way (until more people go lvl 5 nades). Fused are still p2w though, as they require little to no SP investment, they are as powerful as STD nades, and are AUR only. I have specced into nades head first in uprising and let me tell you this... cooked core > cooked m1 > thukker. While it may be fun to troll people with contact grenades I'd still take increased damage and radius of traditional boom-booms. And yeah, I play Scout so I died to Fused many times, but that's only a problem if I pretend to be Assault. If you can land your contact nade on me -- I deserved to die.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4896	Posted - 2013.06.05 08:40:00 - [28] - Quote I haven't seen any contact grenades either since they been made available for Aurum. M2s the most lethal grenade to me still.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers EoN. 74	Posted - 2013.06.05 08:48:00 - [29] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I haven't seen any contact grenades either since they been made available for Aurum. M2s the most lethal grenade to me still. You drive around in an LAV. Of course you haven't seen many contact gernades. Fused Locus are the overpowered ones because of the radius. Any chimp can hit with a 6.0 radius contact nade.
Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 580	Posted - 2013.06.05 08:50:00 - [30] - Quote Lol, everyone is posting about something completely different than the intent of the OP. Shame on you forum trolls, shame on you. This was not a balance thread. This was not a MD thread. This was simply pointing out that CCP doesn't seem to understand that apples do not equal oranges. Also, the Thukker is perfectly balanced. The 2.5 meter radius is small. quite small. The core radius is huge, quite huge. The huge radius requires careful cooking (but not to careful with that splash radius). The contact Thukker requires precision. Neither of them are the Fused Locus Grenade, which regardless of any argument about balance, or game breaking, does not have an isk equivalent. To alleviate your collective confusion, I'll end this with a pointless demand (which you are all more comfortable with). CCP Frame, reword your post to reflect that the Thukker serves as an isk approximation of the Fused Locus Grenade instead of an isk variant.



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