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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.06.05 09:44:00 -
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Sontie wrote:Lol, everyone is posting about something completely different than the intent of the OP.
Shame on you forum trolls, shame on you.
This was not a balance thread. This was not a MD thread.
This was simply pointing out that CCP doesn't seem to understand that apples do not equal oranges.
Also, the Thukker is perfectly balanced. The 2.5 meter radius is small. quite small. The core radius is huge, quite huge. The huge radius requires careful cooking (but not to careful with that splash radius). The contact Thukker requires precision.
Neither of them are the Fused Locus Grenade, which regardless of any argument about balance, or game breaking, does not have an isk equivalent.
To alleviate your collective confusion, I'll end this with a pointless demand (which you are all more comfortable with).
CCP Frame, reword your post to reflect that the Thukker serves as an isk approximation of the Fused Locus Grenade instead of an isk variant. You're right!
What were we thinking?
It's not like a discussion of the merits of each contact grenade is at all relevant to them being different! Not at all! |
Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
585
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Posted - 2013.06.05 11:32:00 -
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You're right, but still, the conversation would have been better housed in a thread with a title like "Thukker vs Core vs Fused vs M2 or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love the Contact Grenade" |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
4205
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Posted - 2013.06.05 11:35:00 -
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So there is no ISK equivalent, the AUR is clearly superior... lol, how P2W. Going to check market and make sure. |
Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
585
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Posted - 2013.06.05 11:42:00 -
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It's not P2W, it's pay to maybe be able to compete against us no lifers.
People that can afford to spend tons of money on aurum gear are usually, like 99% of the time, terrible. Even the ones who manage to stick around long enough to accumulate the SP needed to be competitive, still suck when they use aurum gear to try to get an edge.
The Codewish Duvolle TAC is P2W |
Absolute Idiom II
BetaMax. CRONOS.
102
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Posted - 2013.06.05 11:48:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:Fused Locus: 400 damage 6.0 radius (what?) 2 Max
Thukker: 600 damage 2.5 radius. 3 Max
Also note the CPU and PG req differences between the two nades.
These stats go to show that they are not isk/AUR equivalents in any form. In order to avoid P2W, CCP have been careful to ensure that AUR variants are simply a shortcut of the isk/SP grind (with either lower skill requirements, better CPU/PG usage, or being BPCs of standard level items).
To offer an AUR contact grenade that is superior in fitting, blast radius and skill reqs clearly breaks their stated anti-P2W intentions.
Help us, Iron Wolf Saber, you're out only hope. |
Superluminal Replicant
Planetary Response Organization
77
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Posted - 2013.06.05 11:48:00 -
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Oh cool didn't notice they re-added the thukker, I've been using the proto core grenade. |
Chilled Pill
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
83
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Posted - 2013.06.05 11:50:00 -
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Can't wait till everyone starts throwing these at us Scouts. It'll be like the magician smoke bomb trick thing except we're the ones that disappear.
Yey for Scouts! [/sarcasm] We can't even hope to survive M1's CCP!! Mercy!! |
Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
586
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Posted - 2013.06.05 11:55:00 -
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Scouts can easily jump over a Thukker. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
381
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Posted - 2013.06.05 12:41:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:Fused Locus: 400 damage 6.0 radius (what?) 2 Max
Thukker: 600 damage 2.5 radius. 3 Max
Expanding on this, the Fused Locus fit requirements are 1/3 the PG and 1/5 the CPU of the ISK "equivalent".
Just remove all contact grenades. |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
261
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Posted - 2013.06.05 12:47:00 -
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Agreed, any and every AUR item that does not have an indentical ISK variant, except for skillreq has to fall victim to the P2W sword.
They did great improvement since chromosome on that regard but the fused are a step in the wrong direction. |
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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
546
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Posted - 2013.06.05 13:50:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Agreed, any and every AUR item that does not have an indentical ISK variant, except for skillreq has to fall victim to the P2W sword.
They did great improvement since chromosome on that regard but the fused are a step in the wrong direction.
I do have to give them props for removing AUR variants that allowed for easier fitting than any ISK variant. That was definitely a sound anti-P2W move on their part. I can't say I was thrilled about ISK-variant variety being cut across most item types though. |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
265
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:04:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:Agreed, any and every AUR item that does not have an indentical ISK variant, except for skillreq has to fall victim to the P2W sword.
They did great improvement since chromosome on that regard but the fused are a step in the wrong direction. I do have to give them props for removing AUR variants that allowed for easier fitting than any ISK variant. That was definitely a sound anti-P2W move on their part. I can't say I was thrilled about ISK-variant variety being cut across most item types though. Exactly. The removal of lower fitting cost variants was primarily what i was referring to and i'm still optimistic that CCP is on the right track in general but there's still some weird items left ( e.g. STD AUR injectors with ADV AUR benefits) to work on.
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Wakko03
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
167
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:12:00 -
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Should I bump my threads on this TOPIC from just about 20-25 days ago where I first brought this up and tried to have discussions about this, nah you guys are doing fine, but then again my posts seemed to be judged as feedback or request and was moved to that forum section.
Let me know when you guys get serious about questioning the lag in PC battles, and how to load in properly to the warbarge... hint don't go in as squads, and if you have a non-corp member only make a squad of 2 players; one to bring the other one in. But then again you all know more than I. |
Moonracer2000
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
509
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:20:00 -
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I agree with those who feel the ISK contact grenades should have identical stats as the AUR contact grenades but require a higher skill level in grenades to use.
This is how AUR items have been properly balanced into the game. This is also where item balance has gone wrong in the past. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
48
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Posted - 2013.06.28 15:22:00 -
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Get this grenade out of here! We were in CQ combat, I had him against the wall with my NVs then he chucks a contact grenade and blows me out of the water yet no scratch on him? I blow myself up with REs for being close, why not this garbage? |
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