Hi guys,

We are performing final tests on an update today. As long as all goes well and the game doesn't explode we will be deploying some changes to the TAC as well as fixing the explosives skill that wasnGÇÖt working. The TAC has clip size reduced to 18, increased dispersion when hip firing and a lower ROF cap.

WeGÇÖll be watching carefully to see what kind of impact this has on weapon performance.

CCP Wolfman

18? Did they increase the reload speed? Please tell me they increased the reload speed.

I think CCP completely ignored the god damned damage output . IT suppose to be a long range, well short-mid range to mid -mid range, medium damage weapon. With the breach being a short range CQC high damage weapon. Why can't CCP just flip the damage stats on these guns? the breach could do the 70 and the TAC 50-56.

Hell the breach wouldn't even be broken at those levels because of close people have to actually be to to take the full damage and the low ROF

Semi auto weapons usually have very high damage and low ROF. Lowering ROF makes the most sense.

18? Did they increase the reload speed? Please tell me they increased the reload speed.

What do you guys think?

@Nelo 79 damage is base damage. Charged shot is almost like a sniper.

I bet they've over nerfed it. Hmm, I wonder if any ARs will be worth using now. Back to full auto and its pathetic range. 18 seems really steep tbh, especially with all the other nerfs hitting it as well. I guess I'll see for myself soon.

You've gotta consider the fact that the lower RoF cap will actually force better aiming between shots, so more of your shots will land.

I wonder if any ARs will be worth using now.

Oh shut up.

Didn't see that one coming

The full auto is fine, I won't have a problem using it. Used it all the time before, can still go back to it and dominate. Just don't want to see a weapon get gimped too far. Seen it happen far too many times. Worst case scenario, spec into another weapon which doesn't take much SP anyways and have the ability to use AR if ever needed. Not so bad.

Oh wait... maybe I shouldn't of explained anything and I should've just made a simple insulting post like some people.

Oh well.

I'm just curious, what would you use if you weren't using an AR? MDs, LRs, Plasma cannon perhaps?

I'm implying that no other weapon in this game stands a chance in competitive play. That is to say, ARs are the only weapons that don't suck ATM.

HMGs look alright though, I think... haven't used one in a while.

I'm implying that no other weapon in this game stands a chance in competitive play. That is to say, ARs are the only weapons that don't suck ATM.

HMGs look alright though, I think... haven't used one in a while.

Well now, it's time to use the regular AR, and sooner or later, people will be whining how OP it is, then we switch to the lazers since the AR and all it's variants have been nerfed, people will whine again how OP lazers are, then we go to mass drivers, then SR, then more wahh wahh from people who just suck at playing this game. The only real problem with the TAC is its RoF, because of moded controllers, other than that, it's fine.
I like how CCP listens, but I don't like how they keep nerfing every friken weapon into oblivion. Why not change this game entirely, make guns shoot marshmallows, tanks shoot magical ponies, dropships have rainbow trails, and everyone have bacon instead of ISK.

You must have had a strong attachment to the TAR to the point where you refer to other weapons like they were a joke.

Cant wait for the patch and see how things turn out, maybe people will give other weapons a try for a chance.

Semi auto weapons usually have very high damage and low ROF. Lowering ROF makes the most sense.

Edit: Lowering damage would make the SR OP at 79 damage.

The scr is actually how the tar should work.
Lower the.rate of fire and decrease the clip size to 10, maybe 12. This will force people to actually use this weapon tactical. Habing 30 bullets in one clip on a tactical gun is just ridicoulus.

I think it needs a 5-10 % damage buff now, to counter how often you're going to have to reload.

all those nerfs are less effective then a over heat to jam that works like the scram rifle with out the damage. That allows for burst hi fire rates while favoring the well trained finger over the modded controller, you would be able to run the gun dry in most situation but pump out a quick burst when ever needed. I mean I've seen the damn thing used effectively at range, both in ads and not, with a modded at 8-12rps. With a heat build up you could knock that down to 5-6rps ave with an 5-8round burst at 15rps, not enough to turbo effectively but more then enough for the well trained trigger finger.

HMG's aren't bad tbh, but the hard range cap sucks.

It sucks for ALL the weapons, minus the tact. but for a heavy it's more noticeable cuz he can't close the gap as fast as an AR player can.

When CCP removes the hard cap, guns will feel allot better.

it would make sense. But it wouldn't change the fact that the TAR is suppose to be a medium damage weapon, waiting for CCP to either fix the wording or fix the damage, if they keep the damage the same, even with the new clip size/ROF, they would need to lower the range abit *cough*orbetteryetraisetherangefortheSR*cough* mhhmm pretty mean cough. They didn't really have to do all this (lowering ROF and clip) so much as they could've lowered the damage and given it less range as well as increased dispersion/kick when not ADS(which they kinda did anyway).

In turn they could've given the breach AR the TARs damage and quite frankly no one would notice because of the ****** range/rof on it. Then when the gauss rifle is released it could have better range/much lower ROF/higher damage output/lower clip. It'd basically be a hybrid between SR and TAR. don't know if it'd need a charge time though

Quick note: since you brought up the SR. You're forgetting it has an overheat and lower damage to armor. Aside from that if im correct 79 isn't the base damage that's the charged damage. In either case it also has less range then the TAR with again an overheat.

Now it will just take 1.5 seconds for a modded controller to wipe the floor with everyone instead of 1 second.

There's a skill for that, level it up.

There's a app for that, level it up.

Would have been acceptable if mag capacity of Glu went from 24 to 18, and the Duv Tact from 30 to 24. 18 is a bit excessive for the Duvolle. ROF and Hipfire nerf sound good.

I think either the damage should be bumped up another 5-6pts (to offset the large reduction in mag capacity) OR the range gets buffed another 10-20m NO.

Before the Tac haters cry:
Think about it. (going off memory) A Duvolle does 37dmg per round x 60 rounds, means 2220 dmg per magazine.

Duv Tact has 78 dmg per round x 18 rounds, means 1404 dmg per magazine. Seems a little low. A player will barely be able to take down a high level Heavy with a FULL magazine. (thats assuming they hit with almost every shot)

Still got to try that brand new Tac AR. But if it got too nerfed, the best solution to make it usefull would be to lower the recoil through ADS by a good amount.

It would remain the deadliest long range AR but a ***** to use at short range... which is kind of the point afaik.

What do you guys think?

At 77,000 isk, the Douville TAC is a premium priced weapon. I don't see why it has to be nerfed at all.

Just to get your hands on one you have to climb awfully high on the AR skill tree. Then if you die with it, including suit and equipment, you can be out 150,000 isk per death.

I feel like if I pay that much to get that weapon, it should be static, or get better, not get worse.

However, that being said, I love this game and all that it offers. I appreciate all that you guys do.

( just don't know if I can survive. I suck at other weapons.)

Semi auto weapons usually have very high damage and low ROF. Lowering ROF makes the most sense.

Edit: Lowering damage would make the SR OP at 79 damage.

What do you guys think?