Sounds like a government bail out, well if American corporations are not held accountable for their mismanagement why should video game players.

Also, thanks CCP, I will enjoy fighting against ill gottenk tanks and proto gear whenever I fight the scammers you have enabled.

I wonder how CCP will handle the players who donated millions-billions to corp wallets and then in turn used that isk to fund PC matches and dispersed remaining isk to members throughout the corp?

Unless the isk is reclaimed within a few days time that isk can easily be sunk into PC matches. Would you strip districts from corps using those illicit funds? or bring corp wallets down to millions/billions into the negative?

Apparently the perfect scam.

1. Spend it on gear/donate to corp

2. Go negative

3. Cry

4. Bail out

Did you even read the post? If they do what GM Grave says they will do, there will be no more "ill-gotten" gains.

Why not simply roll back the servers to the 28th?

lets do some math here... proto suit costs what, around 150k each? 100 of them would be 15m per maximum restock transaction.

how fair is that to those of us who DIDNT go negative that they get an extra 100 proto suits until 'something' gets done to revert them. what happens to the lost and destroyed proto suits that simply dont exist anymore?

rather than spend hours and hours trying to figure out exactly where every 0.01 isk that a player owned went, it would be quicker to just wipe their assets, zero out their wallet, and call it a day. they should be considered lucky to not have to make a new character to ever be able to buy anything again. 'fairness cry', i realize this solution only applies to the individuals and NOT the corp spending... but as mentioned theres no 'easy' solution to that aside from negative corp balances, which, if they have no districts, will simply be abandoned and reformed under a new corp.

I wonder how CCP will handle the players who donated millions-billions to corp wallets and then in turn used that isk to fund PC matches and dispersed remaining isk to members throughout the corp?

Unless the isk is reclaimed within a few days time that isk can easily be sunk into PC matches. Would you strip districts from corps using those illicit funds? or bring corp wallets down to millions/billions into the negative?

which is why setting their wallet balance to 0 shouldn't be a solution at all. It's impossible to stop a corp from exploiting this glitch in PC.

CCP setting players wallet to the negative is kind compared to blizzard perma banning any character that had anything to do with the D3 gold dupe glitch a month back.

Did you even read the post? If they do what GM Grave says they will do, there will be no more "ill-gotten" gains.

Apparently the perfect scam.

1. Spend it on gear/donate to corp

2. Go negative

3. Cry

4. Bail out

Yeah, that's PR speak for "We ain't gonna do **** about it".

They might go after some of the bigger donations to corps, but I doubt people who purchased a crap ton of gear will get any grief from CCP. You know how much time and effort it would take CCP to go in for each of the irresponsible players who overspent and remove the gear specifically tied to that ISK? I don't know how difficult or time consuming that would be, but it sure seems like a lot of work.

In the meantime we are working on a system to reclaim ISK from over-spending that will review player purchases and corp donation histories on a case by case basis in order to fairly correct each characters ISK wallet and assets as soon as possible.

While it may take some time to apply these changes we will contact affected users once we have rebalanced their ISK status to let them know that there should be no further adjustments.

Resetting characters to 0 ISK was a temporary fix that should allow players to play as normal during the our investigation, is it not the final step in resolving this issue.

Those who over-spent their unintended ISK on assets or who donated more than they could afford to their corporations will be investigated on a case by case basis and have their spending reversed. This means that we will be reclaiming assets and corporate donations including ISK spent by corporations where necessary.

Resetting characters to 0 ISK was a temporary fix that should allow players to play as normal during the our investigation, is it not the final step in resolving this issue.

Those who over-spent their unintended ISK on assets or who donated more than they could afford to their corporations will be investigated on a case by case basis and have their spending reversed. This means that we will be reclaiming assets and corporate donations including ISK spent by corporations where necessary.

Actually i wish to have my character returned the way it was before all this mess started. Like a one or two week rollback. I had close to 350-400 million isk, of my own assets from the last reset, when i logged on earlier this week i noticed a gain of round about 140 mil. i spend 300 of my own isk on tanks, log on today and found out not only did they delete the surplus money, but also my own isk and then still have the oddasity to say more will be deducted thrue assets. i demand a rollback and stop messing with our characters...

Why should more action be taken I have negative isk I brought things I couldn't use now but will use later. I play normally no problems no complaints

It's amazing how quick everyone is to demonize other players on these forums. When I logged in on the 28th I had not looked at the forums. I saw 78m isk where before I had about 8m. Instead of the supposed devilish schemes and plotting that we are being accused of I thought "they must have turned my salvage into isk like they did at the launch of uprising on May 6".
So, thinking this isk was mine, I donated 20million to my corp. The next day I have a -12m balance and I''m playing in free fits.
It sucks, but it's kind of fun too. I grind my negative balance down to approx. 10.5m.
Now I'm set at 0, I still owe 10.5m. I'm ok with paying it back. I would hate to have my character banned or some other punitive action for an honest mistake. Honestly, it's not my corps fault either I didn't consult with anyone about my donation. I just did it. I'm the one who owes the money, let me pay it back.

Resetting characters to 0 ISK was a temporary fix that should allow players to play as normal during the our investigation, is it not the final step in resolving this issue.

Those who over-spent their unintended ISK on assets or who donated more than they could afford to their corporations will be investigated on a case by case basis and have their spending reversed. This means that we will be reclaiming assets and corporate donations including ISK spent by corporations where necessary.

That's a great plan. Waste 100's of hours of staff time when you could be building the game and doing QA with those staff. But yeah you go ahead and get that spilled milk back in the carton.

Customer Support staff do not build the game or do QA as those are handled by our development teams. Asking them to do so is the equivalent of asking an ambulance crew to put out a fire in a skyscraper

Customer Support will strive to ensure that the errors in player wallets are remedied as soon as possible.

That's a great plan. Waste 100's of hours of staff time when you could be building the game and doing QA with those staff. But yeah you go ahead and get that spilled milk back in the carton.

Sounds like a government bail out, well if American corporations are not held accountable for their mismanagement why should video game players.

Also, thanks CCP, I will enjoy fighting against ill gottenk tanks and proto gear whenever I fight the scammers you have enabled. What this shows me is I should have been a scammer, I didnt so no massive stockpile for me. The good get punished instead. Great job....ya blew it.

Customer Support staff do not build the game or do QA as those are handled by our development teams. Asking them to do so is the equivalent of asking an ambulance crew to put out a fire in a skyscraper

Customer Support will strive to ensure that the errors in player wallets are remedied as soon as possible.

There is no open market so how does fake money hurt the market?

Wait a damn minute now. How are you going to call them scammers? ISK was sitting on their accounts out of no where and you call them scammers for spending it? Yes obviously something was fishy if their was an abundance of cash on their account. Its on THEIR WALLET..so now they are scammers, greedy, and ungrateful? Come on now..we have to think logically here..you guys do remember this is a video game correct? I dont agree with people sitting on hundreds of millions of isk and having unlimited proto gear. And I say easy come easy go as far as the ISK goes..it was given to us for free..it can be taken away for free. They took it away and people had negative balances so they are trying to be generous and at least zeroing out their wallets. Would you lay off CCP's back already...you and the rest of you whiney "QQ" babies on these god forsaken, forums. God damn i swear you just called them "Scammers?" What in the hell is wrong with you? Its a video game..and free money landed in their lap..hell yea the average persons going to spend it. Those that dont read the forums..and shouldnt be forced to in order to refrain from being called "Scammers", didnt know their was an issue.

Tired of tanks? Invest in AV, ****..make them waste those "scammed" tanks.

I know this is New Eden and whatever, but thats what it is exactly, New Eden. "Adapt or Die". Quit your bitching and moaning and get your game on man..more tanks..more explosions..more ISK. Ill have my AV nades ready..tanks are a joke these days anyway cause people like you whined and cried about them "OMG! A tank killed me..it had armor and a big gun and im just a little clone reserve, no way it killed me!"...team work ladies and gentlemen..ruins a tankers day. Join a corp that uses it.



sorry to lay into ya..and ranting like that but damn dude..its a game..lets remember that please..."Scammers" for gods sake what a joke..and some ******* in here say they should be punished? Are you like a real Amarr or something? One of those guys that sit on Eve and do that stupid role play **** reciting fake scripture? lol. I repeat once more..its a video game..lets all be adults here and be patient little gamers and continue to play our game and have our fun and let CCP sort this out without having to get online and read this garbage.

If its fake money, why does it hurt you if its gone?
(Also, you forget that the fact that there isn't one now does not mean there'll never be one.)

Wow, you are right. I dont know what ever gave me the impression that video game players can try and exploit, abuse, and....dare i say it, Scam the system in trying for an advantage. There were people who took advantage of this. That is a fact. This fix was a get out of jail card in a world I thought had none of those. Even if people didnt intentionally "scam", their non-willingness to except their rush spending/donating and use free fits to recover is not much better, imo. This fix seems like a corruption of the vision, I am sorry i feel that way. I still have faith CCP can create a great game. I am sure this error will definitely not be easy to get through for them, but their fix has confused me about some core things.

Alot of people are concerend that these people who have spent there free fortune are either going to get to keep all the equipment they purchased with the money that wasent theres, And still have there wallets reset to zero as oppossed to going negative. Then you would say they are reciving a "Bailout". Some of them very well may need it but for those who bought over 1000 proto suits and whatnot, And then try to feed you some line of BS about how the dident know, is just trying to exploit the game now. And should be delt with accordingly.

Resetting characters to 0 ISK was a temporary fix that should allow players to play as normal during the our investigation, is it not the final step in resolving this issue.

Those who over-spent their unintended ISK on assets or who donated more than they could afford to their corporations will be investigated on a case by case basis and have their spending reversed. This means that we will be reclaiming assets and corporate donations including ISK spent by corporations where necessary.

Resetting characters to 0 ISK was a temporary fix that should allow players to play as normal during the our investigation, is it not the final step in resolving this issue.

Those who over-spent their unintended ISK on assets or who donated more than they could afford to their corporations will be investigated on a case by case basis and have their spending reversed. This means that we will be reclaiming assets and corporate donations including ISK spent by corporations where necessary.

Wow, you are right. I dont know what ever gave me the impression that video game players can try and exploit, abuse, and....dare i say it, Scam the system in trying for an advantage. There were people who took advantage of this. That is a fact. This fix was a get out of jail card in a world I thought had none of those. Even if people didnt intentionally "scam", their non-willingness to except their rush spending/donating and use free fits to recover is not much better, imo. This fix seems like a corruption of the vision, I am sorry i feel that way. I still have faith CCP can create a great game. I am sure this error will definitely not be easy to get through for them, but their fix has confused me about some core things.