DUST Search - Pistols

Jathniel wrote:

Asher Night wrote:

J-Lewis wrote:

Asher Night wrote:

All I ever play as in FPS's is a ninja, scout type chracter that only uses smgs, knives and pistols - so you would think I would be all for this idea. I'm against it.

One pistol works well enough and does plenty of damage. We don't need twice the chance of scoring a 450% damage headshot.

If it becomes a problem, it can be re-balanced.

Why break it so you can fix it? Just don't break it. I promise you this will make pistols OP. Pistols were designed to hold their own, and you have just one. You asking for two would be just the same as asking for two assault rifles, or two mass drivers, etc.

The only way this would work is if a new class of pistols were introduced specifically for duel wielding that let you fire each individually, but the bullets did less damage - which ultimately would equal the dps as using just one pistol or it wouldn't be balanced, so why even bother?

No. This makes NO sense. Why the hell would you want a Dual Wielder to have the same DPS as a single pistol?
This makes dual wielding totally meaningless!

The whole purpose is to have added dps! Straight

Are we that worried about getting killed, that we can't even explore and experiment?

Dual Wielder = Advantages excellent DPS. ONLY. Disadvantages longer reload time, NO ADS. Effectively reducing long range accuracy unless he stops to crouch and aim like a sniper to get a tighter hip fire crosshair.

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Bringda Payne Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 21	Posted - 2013.05.31 13:03:00 - [1] - Quote I'd like to request that if you equip 2 pistols that you can duel wield them. Make it so while using both you are only able to hip fire both of them. It would be sweet to build a gunslinger....
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 127	Posted - 2013.05.31 14:13:00 - [2] - Quote As much as this idea sounds silly, so many people have been asking for it. Maybe they could have a dropsuit that specializes in DWing sidearms with bonuses to range at the cost of reload speed for the sake of balance.
Oha Yo Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 83	Posted - 2013.06.11 16:02:00 - [3] - Quote dude, i was just thinking about it, i wanna be a cowboy.
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 117	Posted - 2013.06.11 16:26:00 - [4] - Quote Warframe has a half decent system for this kind of thing: You can dual wield secondaries, however it comes with both benefits and drawbacks. Pros: Double the ROF = double the DPS. Cons: Reduced accuracy. Double the reload time. Double the ammunition consumption (both weapons draw from the same ammo pool). Dust should probably have it look like so: Pros: Double ROF = Double DPS. Individual trigger control. Cons: Reduced hip-fire accuracy. No ADS. Increased ammunition consumption (both draw from the same pool, but you have individual control over each pistols consumption). Increased reload time (1.5x reload time if reloading one pistol, 3x if reloading both). This provides an option for much more aggressive use of sidearms as a primary weapon, but sacrifices what would otherwise be your backup weapon.
Asher Night 187. 94	Posted - 2013.06.11 16:30:00 - [5] - Quote All I ever play as in FPS's is a ninja, scout type chracter that only uses smgs, knives and pistols - so you would think I would be all for this idea. I'm against it. One pistol works well enough and does plenty of damage. We don't need twice the chance of scoring a 450% damage headshot.
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 117	Posted - 2013.06.11 16:36:00 - [6] - Quote Asher Night wrote: All I ever play as in FPS's is a ninja, scout type chracter that only uses smgs, knives and pistols - so you would think I would be all for this idea. I'm against it. One pistol works well enough and does plenty of damage. We don't need twice the chance of scoring a 450% damage headshot. If it becomes a problem, it can be re-balanced. I don't see that many pistol users actually landing head shots.
Asher Night 187. 94	Posted - 2013.06.11 20:17:00 - [7] - Quote J-Lewis wrote: Asher Night wrote: All I ever play as in FPS's is a ninja, scout type chracter that only uses smgs, knives and pistols - so you would think I would be all for this idea. I'm against it. One pistol works well enough and does plenty of damage. We don't need twice the chance of scoring a 450% damage headshot. If it becomes a problem, it can be re-balanced. Why break it so you can fix it? Just don't break it. I promise you this will make pistols OP. Pistols were designed to hold their own, and you have just one. You asking for two would be just the same as asking for two assault rifles, or two mass drivers, etc. The only way this would work is if a new class of pistols were introduced specifically for duel wielding that let you fire each individually, but the bullets did less damage - which ultimately would equal the dps as using just one pistol or it wouldn't be balanced, so why even bother?
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 142	Posted - 2013.06.11 20:40:00 - [8] - Quote No. You go and buy 2 pistols, and try it for yourself. It doesn't work. Stop ******* asking. Peace, Godin
Oha Yo Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 83	Posted - 2013.06.11 20:40:00 - [9] - Quote Asher Night wrote: J-Lewis wrote: Asher Night wrote: All I ever play as in FPS's is a ninja, scout type chracter that only uses smgs, knives and pistols - so you would think I would be all for this idea. I'm against it. One pistol works well enough and does plenty of damage. We don't need twice the chance of scoring a 450% damage headshot. If it becomes a problem, it can be re-balanced. Why break it so you can fix it? Just don't break it. I promise you this will make pistols OP. Pistols were designed to hold their own, and you have just one. You asking for two would be just the same as asking for two assault rifles, or two mass drivers, etc. The only way this would work is if a new class of pistols were introduced specifically for duel wielding that let you fire each individually, but the bullets did less damage - which ultimately would equal the dps as using just one pistol or it wouldn't be balanced, so why even bother? dammit, this guy's making sense. it would be op as hell.
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 462	Posted - 2013.06.11 20:44:00 - [10] - Quote It wouldn't be OP..... pistols don't have that kind of range... and they don't have a sharpshooter to level up. Of course it would be strong, it's TWO secondaries. Damn it, so many people are so afraid of dying that we can't even get a pinch of variety in this game....

Heals Vaginas Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.06.11 20:47:00 - [11] - Quote wouldn't be bad if they block modded controllers. Plus who doesn't love dual wielding pistols in a game
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 462	Posted - 2013.06.11 20:51:00 - [12] - Quote Asher Night wrote: J-Lewis wrote: Asher Night wrote: All I ever play as in FPS's is a ninja, scout type chracter that only uses smgs, knives and pistols - so you would think I would be all for this idea. I'm against it. One pistol works well enough and does plenty of damage. We don't need twice the chance of scoring a 450% damage headshot. If it becomes a problem, it can be re-balanced. Why break it so you can fix it? Just don't break it. I promise you this will make pistols OP. Pistols were designed to hold their own, and you have just one. You asking for two would be just the same as asking for two assault rifles, or two mass drivers, etc. The only way this would work is if a new class of pistols were introduced specifically for duel wielding that let you fire each individually, but the bullets did less damage - which ultimately would equal the dps as using just one pistol or it wouldn't be balanced, so why even bother? No. This makes NO sense. Why the hell would you want a Dual Wielder to have the same DPS as a single pistol? This makes dual wielding totally meaningless! The whole purpose is to have added dps! Are we that worried about getting killed, that we can't even explore and experiment? Dual Wielder = Advantages excellent DPS. ONLY. Disadvantages longer reload time, NO ADS. Effectively reducing long range accuracy unless he stops to crouch and aim like a sniper to get a tighter hip fire crosshair.
Oha Yo Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 83	Posted - 2013.06.11 21:01:00 - [13] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Asher Night wrote: J-Lewis wrote: Asher Night wrote: All I ever play as in FPS's is a ninja, scout type chracter that only uses smgs, knives and pistols - so you would think I would be all for this idea. I'm against it. One pistol works well enough and does plenty of damage. We don't need twice the chance of scoring a 450% damage headshot. If it becomes a problem, it can be re-balanced. Why break it so you can fix it? Just don't break it. I promise you this will make pistols OP. Pistols were designed to hold their own, and you have just one. You asking for two would be just the same as asking for two assault rifles, or two mass drivers, etc. The only way this would work is if a new class of pistols were introduced specifically for duel wielding that let you fire each individually, but the bullets did less damage - which ultimately would equal the dps as using just one pistol or it wouldn't be balanced, so why even bother? No. This makes NO sense. Why the hell would you want a Dual Wielder to have the same DPS as a single pistol? This makes dual wielding totally meaningless! The whole purpose is to have added dps! Are we that worried about getting killed, that we can't even explore and experiment? Dual Wielder = Advantages excellent DPS. ONLY. Disadvantages longer reload time, NO ADS. Effectively reducing long range accuracy unless he stops to crouch and aim like a sniper to get a tighter hip fire crosshair. dammit, this guy's also making sense. i'm confused you work it out and i'll be back later to check on you both!
Asher Night 187. 94	Posted - 2013.06.11 23:44:00 - [14] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Asher Night wrote: J-Lewis wrote: Asher Night wrote: All I ever play as in FPS's is a ninja, scout type chracter that only uses smgs, knives and pistols - so you would think I would be all for this idea. I'm against it. One pistol works well enough and does plenty of damage. We don't need twice the chance of scoring a 450% damage headshot. If it becomes a problem, it can be re-balanced. Why break it so you can fix it? Just don't break it. I promise you this will make pistols OP. Pistols were designed to hold their own, and you have just one. You asking for two would be just the same as asking for two assault rifles, or two mass drivers, etc. The only way this would work is if a new class of pistols were introduced specifically for duel wielding that let you fire each individually, but the bullets did less damage - which ultimately would equal the dps as using just one pistol or it wouldn't be balanced, so why even bother? No. This makes NO sense. Why the hell would you want a Dual Wielder to have the same DPS as a single pistol? This makes dual wielding totally meaningless! The whole purpose is to have added dps! Are we that worried about getting killed, that we can't even explore and experiment? Dual Wielder = Advantages excellent DPS. ONLY. Disadvantages longer reload time, NO ADS. Effectively reducing long range accuracy unless he stops to crouch and aim like a sniper to get a tighter hip fire crosshair. You seriously think it makes "NO" sense? Really? Am I being trolled? I'm not even going to explain it to you. It so obvious - watch this: Someone explain to him why it would be OP.
Thor McStrut Reckoners 33	Posted - 2013.06.11 23:47:00 - [15] - Quote When I first played, I thought this would be cool. Then, when I saw this topic, the first thing I thought of was dual wielding Flaylocks. NO
Rachoi HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 93	Posted - 2013.06.11 23:53:00 - [16] - Quote ....no thank you CoD mechanic. i really do not think this would be a good idea anyway.just because its balanced in theroy does not make it balanced in practice. Rapid Reload would shrink the reload window, pistols dont need sharp shooter to be effective, because of its insane HSM, just fire the rounds fast as possible, and one is bound to be a head shot
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 656	Posted - 2013.06.12 00:01:00 - [17] - Quote Dual wielding scrambler pistols would be awesome.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 926	Posted - 2013.06.12 00:25:00 - [18] - Quote It'd give a bunch of flavor to the Amarr scout - much beefier than other light frames but with the penalty of no light weapon slot so all you can do is dual wield a sidearm. It would make sense that it would be Amarr as well, considering that Lasers/Scrambler rifles are well served by a sidearm, moreso than most weapons.
Bringda Payne Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 32	Posted - 2013.06.12 15:40:00 - [19] - Quote I don't know why people think this would be so overpowered. More so than the Tac AR? Anything they implement can be brought inline with balance through time, testing and feedback. I'm just suggesting something that would bring a new element to the game. Change is not that bad folks...learn it go with the flow. I think the ability to go prone would be a good addition too. Let me guess, too OP also? "I can't find the snipers as easy as i could before!" I can hear it already.....
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 675	Posted - 2013.06.12 15:42:00 - [20] - Quote Bringda Payne wrote: I don't know why people think this would be so overpowered. More so than the Tac AR? Anything they implement can be brought inline with balance through time, testing and feedback. I'm just suggesting something that would bring a new element to the game. Change is not that bad folks...learn it go with the flow. I think the ability to go prone would be a good addition to. Let me guess, too OP also? "I can't find the snipers as easy as i could before!" I can hear it already..... It would be more damage but at a trade off. Perhaps duel wielding means longer swap times between equipment. Longer reload times. Increased dispersion/lower accuracy (no free arm to brace the weapon). Its should be about cool factor rather than damage anyway.

WeapondigitX V7 Planetary Response Organization 28	Posted - 2013.06.13 04:05:00 - [21] - Quote I would be fine with double pistols if: the reload time was always 8x longer when reloading both of the pistols. 5x longer when reloading 1 pistol recoil was increased by a bit accuracy reduced HUGELY when moving cant aim down your sights both pistols would draw from the same ammo pool when 1 pistol ran out of ammo you would automatically just hold 1 pistol and the 2nd would be holstered (and accuracy goes back up and recoil back down again etc) jumping would decrease your accuracy HUGELY Accuracy would recover much slower than normal still able to holster one pistol when ever wanted crouching would increase accuracy a lot more than normal but moving would decrease than bonus by a large amount stamina would not drain as fast while sprinting and jumping when you have equipped 2 sidearms instead of 1 sidearm and 1 light weapon
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 640	Posted - 2013.07.11 19:45:00 - [22] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: Bringda Payne wrote: I don't know why people think this would be so overpowered. More so than the Tac AR? Anything they implement can be brought inline with balance through time, testing and feedback. I'm just suggesting something that would bring a new element to the game. Change is not that bad folks...learn it go with the flow. I think the ability to go prone would be a good addition to. Let me guess, too OP also? "I can't find the snipers as easy as i could before!" I can hear it already..... It would be more damage but at a trade off. Perhaps duel wielding means longer swap times between equipment. Longer reload times. Increased dispersion/lower accuracy (no free arm to brace the weapon). Its should be about cool factor rather than damage anyway. What you mentioned is precisely why it would be balanced. Reloading would take longer by default. Especially if you go with a a mechanic, where you can't reload until both pistols are empty. The other hand isn't free, how is the gun supposedly going to reload itself? Expend your dps, then reload at maybe 3x time. No ADS, to prevent precision fire, because this would be a brawler build. Nothing wrong with throwing a bunch of shots out. Of course a bunch of the shots would probably be head shots. If someone can actually aim, why prevent that? Just look at the AR, it has no kick in ADS. It and the scram rifle can put numerous rounds into an opponent's head. What reason is there to discriminate against other weapons?


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