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Lilah Silverstone The Arrow Project 46	Posted - 2013.05.30 15:03:00 - [1] - Quote Not on my watch
hamr0310 UNIFIED MERCS 0	Posted - 2013.05.30 15:04:00 - [2] - Quote and take away everything they bought during that time!!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4088	Posted - 2013.05.30 15:04:00 - [3] - Quote Next time don't waste money you weren't suppose to have to begin with
KatanaPT Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 150	Posted - 2013.05.30 15:05:00 - [4] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Next time don't waste money you weren't suppose to have to begin with Amen
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1679	Posted - 2013.05.30 15:05:00 - [5] - Quote I love how this will get more posts because we don't have to read the OP's ****** OP.
Summer-Wolf BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 49	Posted - 2013.05.30 15:07:00 - [6] - Quote Im against that idea. Why would it be fair to let the negative people get to zero (which means pocketing a **** ton of isk) while the people that decided to wait and see the outcome get nothing? If anything, just give back all that extra isk to everyone. There is a definite chance there will be a lost of players because of all this.
Hawkin P Molon Labe. League of Infamy 36	Posted - 2013.05.30 15:07:00 - [7] - Quote Well the forums are glitching. Here is the OP Dear CCP, Don't you have enough people fed up with this game already? You do realize, that 95% of the people you sent into ISK debt, will NEVER play this game again. I didn't go negative, but I am among the minority of the players you have. I come here on the forums daily, to find out what's going on. Most players don't. Most players just want to turn on their PS3 and play. They saw the extra ISK and thought it was part of the respec like before. As a matter of fact for the first week or more in your response letters to submitting a Respec Ticket you said you were going to refund ISK I'll quote my response from you: "The skill respec will be applied to your characters in the coming days once we have completed and deployed changes to the skill tree. This one time respec will remove and refund all ISK and skill points that have been applied to date." So I get taking back the extra ISK, even sending people to 0 ISK, but negative? No one is going to use free suits to dig their way out of millions to 10's of millions of ISK debt, they are just going to move on to a new game. Your meager offer to have someone submit a ticket and have some of thier inventory turned back into ISK, is a tedious process, that won't help most people because they spent that ISK on everything from Protosuits, to Tanks. Then had those items destroyed by people like me. Some people donated alot to their corp who spent that ISK on PC. So, most of that ISK is gone, and can't be refunded. For a company who's general motto is if you can do it in the game then it's allowed, you are going against everything you believe in, by doing what you did. People went on a spending spree, but it was your fault. Take the extra ISK but anyone you sent into DEBT, needs to be set to ZERO ISK not NEGATIVE. If you don't I am pretty sure outer space wont be the only place in a vacuum.
Jinxle D'eminxle DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2013.05.30 15:08:00 - [8] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Next time don't waste money you weren't suppose to have to begin with ^^ Must agree with this, putting them at zero is no punishment or fair response to people who spent all them millions. Put them at zero to still make more isk with no penalty for blowing it and purchasing 1000s suits and mod's and let them just outclass others due to free higher teir equip basically provided by CCP - does not seem like a fair topic this one :) my 2 cents
Natu Nobilis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 344	Posted - 2013.05.30 15:08:00 - [9] - Quote If 95% of the players were stupid to spend money they didn-¦t have, then i-¦m perfectly fine with them leaving. It will make the game and the forum better.
DRE PrEaCh Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack 0	Posted - 2013.05.30 15:15:00 - [10] - Quote I'm starting to notice that everyone who is with CCP on the NEGATIVE ISK problem are pretty much cry babies with no skill, who can't compete with the guys running proto gear. You don't know how to outsmart them, outplay them, and you're happy that you don't have to see these skilled players with protogear on pub matches. I guess CCP doesn't care about the skilled players who put time and money into this game, cuz that's what it takes to get a good toon and build yourself up (skill wise) in the game. To all you skill-less, brainless, cry baby punks out there who agree with the NEGATIVE ISK move, just know that we're still going to stomp you in pub matches using militia gear. :) To CCP from the guys who put time and money into this game, just know we're not going to spend another dime buying AUR in the near future :)

Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1751	Posted - 2013.05.30 19:43:00 - [11] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Next time don't waste money you weren't suppose to have to begin with 90% of the players, don't trawl the forum. There was no announcement, there was no in-game mail, heck there's not even a sticky about it. How were they supposed to know they weren't supposed to receive it?
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 252	Posted - 2013.05.30 19:45:00 - [12] - Quote DRE PrEaCh wrote: I'm starting to notice that everyone who is with CCP on the NEGATIVE ISK problem are pretty much cry babies with no skill, who can't compete with the guys running proto gear. You don't know how to outsmart them, outplay them, and you're happy that you don't have to see these skilled players with protogear on pub matches. I guess CCP doesn't care about the skilled players who put time and money into this game, cuz that's what it takes to get a good toon and build yourself up (skill wise) in the game. To all you skill-less, brainless, cry baby punks out there who agree with the NEGATIVE ISK move, just know that we're still going to stomp you in pub matches using militia gear. :) To CCP from the guys who put time and money into this game, just know we're not going to spend another dime buying AUR in the near future :) Yay! A broke ass e-thug. I have ISK because I'm not a fuckwit. LOLZ
Moronic Farce Goonfeet 21	Posted - 2013.05.30 19:47:00 - [13] - Quote DRE PrEaCh wrote: I'm starting to notice that everyone who is with CCP on the NEGATIVE ISK problem are pretty much cry babies with no skill, who can't compete with the guys running proto gear. You don't know how to outsmart them, outplay them, and you're happy that you don't have to see these skilled players with protogear on pub matches. I guess CCP doesn't care about the skilled players who put time and money into this game, cuz that's what it takes to get a good toon and build yourself up (skill wise) in the game. To all you skill-less, brainless, cry baby punks out there who agree with the NEGATIVE ISK move, just know that we're still going to stomp you in pub matches using militia gear. :) To CCP from the guys who put time and money into this game, just know we're not going to spend another dime buying AUR in the near future :) Ya if your in any way responsible with money and don't blow it all the second you get it even if your not sure where it came from your a scrub with no gungame bro!
Ross Gallant REGULATORS OF VALOR Orion Empire 1	Posted - 2013.05.30 19:51:00 - [14] - Quote I'm with everyone saying to set it back to 0isk, or even simply do as you said and refund the isk from the purchased items. I've put a solid amount of hours into this game and would love to continue playing, but as someone else mentioned earlier in this thread, it's a real pain in the a to have to dig ourselves out of debt because of CCP's mistake, and easier remedy would've simply been to issue the "bonus" isk to all the other players aswell instead of taking it from the ones who received it. and again as someone stated earlier, their was not sufficient warning of this in-game, hence everyone making the mistake of spending the given isk, I had rationalized it out to the respec as it had happened before. I understand why alot of the other people who didn't go negative are saying things are fine this way, but it really kills the gaming experience for the ones who did go negative. I've been patient as hell with your buggy servers and glitchy matches and everything being over powered and dwarfed every 2 days, don't add to the s* list of reasons why I'm considering deleting this game and being done with it.
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 75	Posted - 2013.05.30 19:55:00 - [15] - Quote Quote: People went on a spending spree, but it was your fault. Yes, because clearly CCP manipulated your brain into switching off and going on a spending spree....riiiiight.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 595	Posted - 2013.05.30 19:55:00 - [16] - Quote No. Players tried to exploit the obvious error. Obvious incoming fix was obvious. Also, players can already petition to get refunded their isk, and have the assets they spent their unearned isk on removed. No problem exists.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1752	Posted - 2013.05.30 19:56:00 - [17] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: No. Players tried to exploit the obvious error. Obvious incoming fix was obvious. Also, players can already petition to get refunded their isk, and have the assets they spent their unearned isk on removed. No problem exists. Can you petition in game yet?
Schalac 17 Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 182	Posted - 2013.05.30 19:57:00 - [18] - Quote All ISK is useful for in this game is buying gear and clone packs if you already have the skills you need unlocked. I buy suits by the 100's because what good is ISK sitting in my wallet. I'm sure that other people do the same thing and with no way of knowing that they weren't supposed to have the ISK in the first place, why punish them? CCP made the mistake, punishing the players for it is just bad PR and poor support.
Novawolf McDustingham The514th Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 120	Posted - 2013.05.30 19:57:00 - [19] - Quote This is probably the single greatest thing I've ever seen a Dev do, ever. Aaaaaaaaaand, it's gone!
Buster Friently Rosen Association 595	Posted - 2013.05.30 19:59:00 - [20] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Buster Friently wrote: No. Players tried to exploit the obvious error. Obvious incoming fix was obvious. Also, players can already petition to get refunded their isk, and have the assets they spent their unearned isk on removed. No problem exists. Can you petition in game yet? Nope, but an connection is required, and the PS3 has a browser, so I think we're good on the capability of requesting a petition, which you can do by sending an email to [email protected] If by some stroke of extreme lameness an affected user is incapable of sending a simple email, then they still have all the stuff they bought with their unearned isk, so they should be able to work the debt off quickly.

ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 528	Posted - 2013.05.30 19:59:00 - [21] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Next time don't waste money you weren't suppose to have to begin with 90% of the players, don't trawl the forum. There was no announcement, there was no in-game mail, heck there's not even a sticky about it. How were they supposed to know they weren't supposed to receive it? there for multiple in-game announcements about it so that's a line bull. in fact I got hit with every single one.
ADAM-OF-EVE Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2013.05.30 20:06:00 - [22] - Quote you may be in neg ballance but you now have hundreds of mil isk worth of items lying around spare. use them and get yourself out of neg wallet or petition ccp to remove all items and bring you as far back into + wallet ballance as they can
Deluxe Edition TeamPlayers EoN. 319	Posted - 2013.05.30 20:06:00 - [23] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Next time don't waste money you weren't suppose to have to begin with 90% of the players, don't trawl the forum. There was no announcement, there was no in-game mail, heck there's not even a sticky about it. How were they supposed to know they weren't supposed to receive it? They spammed multiple announcements that showed up as pop ups. Impossible to miss. Mails where also received.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1696	Posted - 2013.05.30 20:07:00 - [24] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: you may be in neg ballance but you now have hundreds of mil isk worth of items lying around spare. use them and get yourself out of neg wallet or petition ccp to remove all items and bring you as far back into + wallet ballance as they can ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
ImpureMort Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 76	Posted - 2013.05.30 20:08:00 - [25] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Next time don't waste money you weren't suppose to have to begin with 90% of the players, don't trawl the forum. There was no announcement, there was no in-game mail, heck there's not even a sticky about it. How were they supposed to know they weren't supposed to receive it? not only that but the math has been done on characters that didnt grind a bunch right after reset ccp has taken more than they gave.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1753	Posted - 2013.05.30 20:08:00 - [26] - Quote Deluxe Edition wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Next time don't waste money you weren't suppose to have to begin with 90% of the players, don't trawl the forum. There was no announcement, there was no in-game mail, heck there's not even a sticky about it. How were they supposed to know they weren't supposed to receive it? They spammed multiple announcements that showed up as pop ups. Impossible to miss. Mails where also received. What your alliance does is not what CCP did. There are no mails in game to my account, and they took more than they gave, on top of giving me nothing for the reimbursed skill books.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 254	Posted - 2013.05.30 20:10:00 - [27] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: you may be in neg ballance but you now have hundreds of mil isk worth of items lying around spare. use them and get yourself out of neg wallet or petition ccp to remove all items and bring you as far back into + wallet ballance as they can How will they learn their lesson then? I'd vote no, if it happens again maybe let the new ones do this, though the first batch should be executed as an example.
Crimson Sax Edoras Corporation 1	Posted - 2013.05.30 20:13:00 - [28] - Quote Honestly makes no sense. If you are so deep in negative then you must of stocked up on a lot of fits. I mean a lot. Even if you have fits that cost 150,000 ISK and stock up 100 you are only at 15,000,000 which isn't that bad (especially considering to have a suit that costs that much you must be very far a long in the game). So just play it off, you'd have 100 fits to make it back. If you have more than that in debt than what the heck did you buy?
Moronic Farce Goonfeet 21	Posted - 2013.05.30 20:20:00 - [29] - Quote I'd wager ISK ,that I totally have ha ha, that they donated it to their corps for PC clone packs. They don't have a ton of suits ready to go because they wanted to get a leg up in PC is my guess.
11Up3Down Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2013.05.30 20:27:00 - [30] - Quote Fact is, CCP screwed up. IT doesn't matter what players did or did not spend afterwards. The screw up shouldn't have happened in the first place. This wasn't the first respect/isk refund that we've had. So what made this one so different? Why the screw up to begin with? Then they screwed the fix up taking more ISK away from players that what was given to players in the original screw up. They should have just left it alone. There was no reason to even take the ISK back. It's not like we have a real market or anything to screw up. So what if someone can buy 200 fittings? Doesn't really matter, no market is no market. The ISK isn't trading hands so no harm no foul. CCP screwed this up, not the players. BTW, no I'm not affected by the screw up. I had more ISK than I should have and I have about the same amount of ISK I was suppose to have to begin with.



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