Maybe pilots should learn how to complain better because I am having an extremely difficult time to finding out 'what exactly' the problem is, but if you wish I'll tell CCP everything's fine nothing needs to be fixed at all.

So be it.

I had such a nice list of things that outside of numbers needs fixing, mostly quality of life stuff for vehicles and AV in general.

Things like fix the small missile turret from exploding itself while the vehicle is moving.

Unfortunately I am the only pilot and AV guy on the CPM, secondly you're confusing my job with CCP's job. I also lag bad enough HP bars don't update as fast as they should and I quite often see people with empty HP bars or full, or myself having no armor or shields on spawning.

Sorry to jump in here.

But what you just said here is bang out of order.

Your a Member of the CPM, your position has been elevated by the company that makes the game. You are no longer "one of the guys".

Your post lacks respect, and verges on the passive agressive. You lost the right to be an intenet douchebag as soon as you were elevated to a position above the community.

Please don't threaten members of community with your power, by suggesting problems won't get fixed unless you whisper in CCPs ear.

Seriously, I can't believe you just said this. Talk about power going to peoples head.

Sometimes its better if you say nothing.

Maybe pilots should learn how to complain better because I am having an extremely difficult time to finding out 'what exactly' the problem is, but if you wish I'll tell CCP everything's fine nothing needs to be fixed at all.

So be it.

I had such a nice list of things that outside of numbers needs fixing, mostly quality of life stuff for vehicles and AV in general.

Things like fix the small missile turret from exploding itself while the vehicle is moving.

Sorry to jump in here.

But what you just said here is bang out of order.

Your a Member of the CPM, your position has been elevated by the company that makes the game. You are no longer "one of the guys".

Your post lacks respect, and verges on the passive agressive. You lost the right to be an intenet douchebag as soon as you were elevated to a position above the community.

Please don't threaten members of community with your power, by suggesting problems won't get fixed unless you whisper in CCPs ear.

Seriously, I can't believe you just said this. Talk about power going to peoples head.

Sometimes its better if you say nothing.

I don't blame the guy, i see floods and floods of vehicle complaint threads, most just consist of how they have been run over XXXX amount of times from what i've seen.

I'm waiting for some new weaponry, like the rail rifle and stuff like that, before i go pointing at vehicles saying "Hey that needs a nerfing" since really, i know there might be some tools down the line that i'm not aware of that can more effectively deal with these death taxis. I do agree they need a slight reduced HP, but even then maybe i'm not using the right tools, or i'm not effectively spec'd to truly deal with this threat, and all the Assault rifle run and gunners aren't going to help me stop these things.

For now i relax back onto my militia swarm launchers and forge guns, in hopes my pew pew weaponry that costs me 601 ISK a pop, can deal with it. Cause i find it foolish to run Proto in pubs.

Maybe pilots should learn how to complain better because I am having an extremely difficult time to finding out 'what exactly' the problem is, but if you wish I'll tell CCP everything's fine nothing needs to be fixed at all.

So be it.

I had such a nice list of things that outside of numbers needs fixing, mostly quality of life stuff for vehicles and AV in general.

Things like fix the small missile turret from exploding itself while the vehicle is moving.

Iron Wolf Saber, everyone know's me as SI's Dropship pilot. Contact me ingame on dust after downtime and we'll talk about pilot problems.

I will admit, Saber is a good CPM in a bad posistion. Yea it feels like he is a CCP Intern, but honeslty if a blue poster came in here and started talking to us, Um yea we would start talking to them. Of course.

Don't alienate the CPM or the game will turn to garbage due to miscommunication. Dropships and Tanks seem fine to me so I have no idea whats wrong with everyone, Every time I see a CPM post, the response is always super hostile. And thats just entirely unproductive.

You people are screwing up this game. Yes CCP doesn't listen very well, yes the CPM might not be the best elite balances. But when you flame them or attack them constantly. It goes from you might not be heard to you WON'T be heard.

They didnt have to accept the position, if they cant handle it they either need to quit or harden the **** up and deal

No, its called you people have no respect. The only people who really work in these kind of situations where everyone is hostile against them are called Soldiers. They get paid to shoot people, not to help them. Iron Wolf is here to help you. I wish he had the power to ban all you people.

I got you on roster, you may get an eve mail from my eve online character, much easier to type there instead (speaking of which ccp can we please get game mail support on the forums?) I know dropships are seriously hurting for some love. CCP Blam is a bit abusive with that.

Respect for the title was there but many of the CPM have lost that respect due to their actions and behavior
Really think about it, when was the last time you heard of people wanting to get rid of say Nova Knife? He carries himself in a respectable manner from what Ive seen and others respect him for it
If the stress of the position is getting to others like Wolf who is getting snippy and making thinly veiled threats if he even bothers with trying to veil them in the first place then they can quit and the community will be none worse for the wear and we might be able to get around to electing our own representatives

Youve got something brown on your nose there

Respect for the title was there but many of the CPM have lost that respect due to their actions and behavior
Really think about it, when was the last time you heard of people wanting to get rid of say Nova Knife? He carries himself in a respectable manner from what Ive seen and others respect him for it
If the stress of the position is getting to others like Wolf who is getting snippy and making thinly veiled threats if he even bothers with trying to veil them in the first place then they can quit and the community will be none worse for the wear and we might be able to get around to electing our own representatives

Ha, no there is general respect. Just because you don't think someone deserves it doesn't mean you withold it. Like you. I have no respect for you. I don't care if you get hit by a truck or get cancer. In fact, if you died right now, it might make it easier for people to see what I posted. See, thats called a lack of respect. But I don't need to respect you.

Thats because you have no authority or influence. You are nothing.

Now if you disagree with Iron Wolf, flaming him isn't going to get you any points. Its going to make him angry and maybe he will actively work to sabotage you. I've see stuff like that before. However, as long as he wears the CPM title, he does have somewhat of a say and if you actually want the game to get better, speaking in a civil tone will net you more results then saying. "Go die in a fire"

Please do not resort to personal attacks. I rarely do this and refrain from it.

Ha, no there is general respect. Just because you don't think someone deserves it doesn't mean you withold it. Like you. I have no respect for you. I don't care if you get hit by a truck or get cancer. In fact, if you died right now, it might make it easier for people to see what I posted. See, thats called a lack of respect. But I don't need to respect you.

Thats because you have no authority or influence. You are nothing.

Now if you disagree with Iron Wolf, flaming him isn't going to get you any points. Its going to make him angry and maybe he will actively work to sabotage you. I've see stuff like that before. However, as long as he wears the CPM title, he does have somewhat of a say and if you actually want the game to get better, speaking in a civil tone will net you more results then saying. "Go die in a fire"

Its not a personal attack. I didn't say I wanted him to die. I didn't say that I was something. I'm a nobody when it comes to this game just like everyone else.

Your second sentence contradicts so much of your post but I like how you go wishing cancer on people if they dont agree with you
Real classy move

As for Wolf I have seen people be civil when bringing things up and then getting a "Durr hurr try harder" type response and even if that doesnt happen everytime when it does happen its enough to lower peoples opinion of him just that much further
And like I said before if it all gets to be too much then he can just step away, no one is twisting his arm to stay on as CPM and I know lots of people are anxious to replace not just him but all current CPMs with ones the playerbase has voted for instead of ones assigned to us

Your second sentence contradicts so much of your post but I like how you go wishing cancer on people if they dont agree with you
Real classy move

All I am asking for is would the current pilots stop being so stubborn and actually try to talk to me? Not by me, not around or behind me, but at me.

Because I am sorta getting tired putting quite a bit of effort in trying to understand ANY their problems. In my efforts I have identified quite a large number quality of life issues but as for verifying their generic complaints I am having near zero success in.

This isn't like the HMG use where I can verify that the HMG only did kill at 10-15 meters. Or run up to a guy in an assault suit and beat a heavy armed with an HMG to death before they fixed it. The whole AVvV thing is a very complicated 'Environment' its not a situation, its not any specific vehicle, its not a specific module, its the whole damn thing. I would love to spend more SP into the environment better but I have to be able to verify other complaints to not just that of pilots alone. True CCP did make a game balanced on end gear. However in that theory player own skills should override gear disadvantages regardless

The problem with my statement of Try Harder is that most people DONT.

I've seen you show up in vehicle and AV threads, and bring your opinions instead of listening to the people who have a higher level of experience in the area you're talking about.

People point out that they're seeing high-level AV grenades failing to deal significant damage to well-fitted LAVs, and you use an example of a single AV Grenade killing the LAV you're in when you didn't fit it yourself and don't know exactly how it was fitted. You then use that one example to claim that the issue isn't worth considering and dismiss it. It's perfectly reasonable for people to become aggressive towards your refusal to listen to them in that case.

You've shown up in threads where high-tier tank drivers are explaining that their fits are having to be rebuilt repeatedly because of changes, nerfs, etc. and you're saying "well I can keep my Sica alive" and once again using that to negate the validity of their examples where they don't get the same luck.

You're NOT backing up the people who dedicate themselves to vehicles, OR the people who dedicate themselves to AV. You're arguing that our evidence isn't as important as yours, even when we know the full details of what we're talking about and you don't. Your examples of Militia and Standard gear don't negate the top-tier players talking about how the game should work. Your examples running as a gunner or passenger in a vehicle you don't know the full fitting details of are NOT a good counter to people who know every detail of their fitting and most of the relevant details about what killed them.

I had no quarrel with him until I red the part about one proto nade killing a militia LAV...

All I am asking for is would the current pilots stop being so stubborn and actually try to talk to me? Not by me, not around or behind me, but at me.

Because I am sorta getting tired putting quite a bit of effort in trying to understand ANY their problems. In my efforts I have identified quite a large number quality of life issues but as for verifying their generic complaints I am having near zero success in.

This isn't like the HMG use where I can verify that the HMG only did kill at 10-15 meters. Or run up to a guy in an assault suit and beat a heavy armed with an HMG to death before they fixed it. The whole AVvV thing is a very complicated 'Environment' its not a situation, its not any specific vehicle, its not a specific module, its the whole damn thing. I would love to spend more SP into the environment better but I have to be able to verify other complaints to not just that of pilots alone. True CCP did make a game balanced on end gear. However in that theory player own skills should override gear disadvantages regardless

@Jason Pearson.

Don't mean to highjack the thread but you LAV takes 5 Lai Dais? Seriously?

@Jason Pearson.

Don't mean to highjack the thread but you LAV takes 5 Lai Dais? Seriously?

I've seen you show up in vehicle and AV threads, and bring your opinions instead of listening to the people who have a higher level of experience in the area you're talking about.

People point out that they're seeing high-level AV grenades failing to deal significant damage to well-fitted LAVs, and you use an example of a single AV Grenade killing the LAV you're in when you didn't fit it yourself and don't know exactly how it was fitted. You then use that one example to claim that the issue isn't worth considering and dismiss it. It's perfectly reasonable for people to become aggressive towards your refusal to listen to them in that case.

You've shown up in threads where high-tier tank drivers are explaining that their fits are having to be rebuilt repeatedly because of changes, nerfs, etc. and you're saying "well I can keep my Sica alive" and once again using that to negate the validity of their examples where they don't get the same luck.

You're NOT backing up the people who dedicate themselves to vehicles, OR the people who dedicate themselves to AV. You're arguing that our evidence isn't as important as yours, even when we know the full details of what we're talking about and you don't. Your examples of Militia and Standard gear don't negate the top-tier players talking about how the game should work. Your examples running as a gunner or passenger in a vehicle you don't know the full fitting details of are NOT a good counter to people who know every detail of their fitting and most of the relevant details about what killed them.

@ Iron Wolf Saber.

I am not going to comment on what has been said on this thread but I did notice that you had problems investigating specific issues due to your level of SP and how you have used it. Now I assume you have alts that you have set up for different tasks but I can not imagine that you have lots of SP in them unless you are playing 23/7.

So my suggestions, which I hope help, are as follows:

1. Talk to the specialists, which you are already doing, and go into battle with them.
2. If you have specific questions/issues that you need answering then set up a thread asking those questions and saying what it is you need.
3. Ask CCP to set up test accounts called CPM Test or something similiar which has unlimited SP and Isk which can be manually reset, in terms of SP spent on skills, or resets after a week. This way you and the others can test out everything from militia fits to full protos with max skills.

From the sounds of it you are already doing options 1 and 2 but I think option 3 could really help your investigations of specific issues.

Because calling out one of the more active CPM reps is definitely a good way to get your opinions heard.

Maybe pilots should learn how to complain better because I am having an extremely difficult time to finding out 'what exactly' the problem is, but if you wish I'll tell CCP everything's fine nothing needs to be fixed at all.

So be it.

I had such a nice list of things that outside of numbers needs fixing, mostly quality of life stuff for vehicles and AV in general.

Things like fix the small missile turret from exploding itself while the vehicle is moving.

Passive aggressive snark doesn't make you right.

I haven't been paying attention to his posts... but his first post in this thread was a passive aggressive threat. It can't be seen any other way.

You want some pilot feedback?

Give Railgun and Forge Gun shots a trail like sniper rounds. Nothing is more frustrating than being chased around the entire map, high and low, and not being able to find out what the %$@#$ is shooting at you so I can shoot back.

Maybe pilots should learn how to complain better because I am having an extremely difficult time to finding out 'what exactly' the problem is, but if you wish I'll tell CCP everything's fine nothing needs to be fixed at all.

So, Iron Wolf...

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83233&find=unread

Hopefully the above link provides better feedback than you've been getting so far. It only has my opinions at the moment, but if some more well-reasoned discussion can happen, please listen to it and look at the experience the posters in question are speaking from, and please don't throw isolated rare events in as arguments against our conclusions. Just... READ and take in what the experts are saying. Please?

You want some pilot feedback?

Give Railgun and Forge Gun shots a trail like sniper rounds. Nothing is more frustrating than being chased around the entire map, high and low, and not being able to find out what the %$@#$ is shooting at you so I can shoot back.

This coming from the guy who said "learn to fly better" in one of the more useful dropship feedback threads?

Lmao

**** you man.

It's because the headrest for shield LAVs is higher than for armor, which causes the missile to detonate on the vehicle itself. It's especially bad when moving, over any kind of terrain, because you can rarely successfully get a shot off in a 90 degree angle towards the front of the vehicle.

Turrets for dropships needs to be fixed, because 1, they're going to the up and forward position automatically when in a certain range of the front of the ship. Second, either the bottom of the ships ought to be redesigned, or a greater firing area when in the turret, because the area you can shoot without hitting the ship is still pretty small when you're above a target.

Sorry to jump in here.

But what you just said here is bang out of order.

Your a Member of the CPM, your position has been elevated by the company that makes the game. You are no longer "one of the guys".

Your post lacks respect, and verges on the passive agressive. You lost the right to be an intenet douchebag as soon as you were elevated to a position above the community.

Please don't threaten members of community with your power, by suggesting problems won't get fixed unless you whisper in CCPs ear.

Seriously, I can't believe you just said this. Talk about power going to peoples head.

Sometimes its better, in your position, if you say nothing.

You have some serious issues, my friend. He is a member of the gaming community just like you are. He is not a whipping boy.

Whpcha*

I didn't know this thread was going that direction.

No Vundersex?

nein.
no vonderbar vundrsex.

your statements and arguments when it comes to AV and Vehicles are quite ridiculous

Whpcha*

I didn't know this thread was going that direction.

No Vundersex?

You're not a pilot, you're not a Vehicle player, your statements and arguments when it comes to AV and Vehicles are quite ridiculous and you need to stop. You're part of CPM, many of us think you as slightly important yet you make these ridiculous statements such as "I've seen a LLAV die to one proto AV Grenade" in an LLAV complaint thread, or little quips about Vehicles/AV in general.

If you have nothing useful to say, don't say it at all, and definitely don't tell us that you're the only CPM with anything in Vehicles, Militia doesn't count and if anything, makes us have even less faith in you and your fellow CPM. You're meant to represent the community, but how can you represent one if you're pretending you know what we're talking about?

I don't care for anything else, but don't disrespect AV/Vehicle Players when you know nothing about it.

Hey man props for the good thread.

Also maple and I had a blast in our PC last night was our first good tank battle.

You're not a pilot, you're not a Vehicle player, your statements and arguments when it comes to AV and Vehicles are quite ridiculous and you need to stop. You're part of CPM, many of us think you as slightly important yet you make these ridiculous statements such as "I've seen a LLAV die to one proto AV Grenade" in an LLAV complaint thread, or little quips about Vehicles/AV in general.

If you have nothing useful to say, don't say it at all, and definitely don't tell us that you're the only CPM with anything in Vehicles, Militia doesn't count and if anything, makes us have even less faith in you and your fellow CPM. You're meant to represent the community, but how can you represent one if you're pretending you know what we're talking about?

I don't care for anything else, but don't disrespect AV/Vehicle Players when you know nothing about it.

Is that like Fahrvergnf++ken?

+1 Jason

WHY does the LLV have more BUILT IN resistance than a TANK????? tank @ 10% and llv @ like 33%.......lol
dont get me wrong u shouldnt be able to one shot a beefed up lav/llv but yeaaaaaaaa...........dem resists......

Maybe pilots should learn how to complain better because I am having an extremely difficult time to finding out 'what exactly' the problem is, but if you wish I'll tell CCP everything's fine nothing needs to be fixed at all.

So be it.

I had such a nice list of things that outside of numbers needs fixing, mostly quality of life stuff for vehicles and AV in general.

Things like fix the small missile turret from exploding itself while the vehicle is moving.

Tank has 0 passive resist. the LLAV comes with 25% resist . You are forgetting about the skills tht increase resist. Which are apllied to those stats. If you get skills Tank has 10% passive resist and the LLAV has 45% passive resist.

+1 Jason

WHY does the LLV have more BUILT IN resistance than a TANK????? tank @ 10% and llv @ like 33%.......lol
dont get me wrong u shouldnt be able to one shot a beefed up lav/llv but yeaaaaaaaa...........dem resists......

If you say to CCP everything is OKAY that further proves how ignorant you are, how your personal interactions effect your reports such as nerfing tank turrets because you are butthurt,AV guy. I think you should just leave CPM and leave it for more reasonable people like Caelie Sinedeo or Ninjanomynx.
If your job as CPM is vehicle and AV issues, they should find someone else.

All I am asking for is would the current pilots stop being so stubborn and actually try to talk to me? Not by me, not around or behind me, but at me.

Because I am sorta getting tired putting quite a bit of effort in trying to understand ANY their problems. In my efforts I have identified quite a large number quality of life issues but as for verifying their generic complaints I am having near zero success in.

This isn't like the HMG use where I can verify that the HMG only did kill at 10-15 meters. Or run up to a guy in an assault suit and beat a heavy armed with an HMG to death before they fixed it. The whole AVvV thing is a very complicated 'Environment' its not a situation, its not any specific vehicle, its not a specific module, its the whole damn thing. I would love to spend more SP into the environment better but I have to be able to verify other complaints to not just that of pilots alone. True CCP did make a game balanced on end gear. However in that theory player own skills should override gear disadvantages regardless

Because calling out one of the more active CPM reps is definitely a good way to get your opinions heard.