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Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.30 09:58:00 -
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You're not a pilot, you're not a Vehicle player, your statements and arguments when it comes to AV and Vehicles are quite ridiculous and you need to stop. You're part of CPM, many of us think you as slightly important yet you make these ridiculous statements such as "I've seen a LLAV die to one proto AV Grenade" in an LLAV complaint thread, or little quips about Vehicles/AV in general.
If you have nothing useful to say, don't say it at all, and definitely don't tell us that you're the only CPM with anything in Vehicles, Militia doesn't count and if anything, makes us have even less faith in you and your fellow CPM. You're meant to represent the community, but how can you represent one if you're pretending you know what we're talking about?
I don't care for anything else, but don't disrespect AV/Vehicle Players when you know nothing about it. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1129
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:11:00 -
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+1 OP |
Brigitte Newt
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
58
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:14:00 -
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Nicely put down, I agree.
+1 |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:14:00 -
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_QUACK OP |
Freshticles
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:15:00 -
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I agree, Jason. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:18:00 -
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In the words of a wise old man I met on the streets
Dayum son, you done told him |
Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
81
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:26:00 -
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can i just point out
he has this amazing LAV fit you would not believe it like he just keeps calling it down it can't be killed in a symbolic term it just keeps coming until your dead |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4765
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:26:00 -
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Maybe pilots should learn how to complain better because I am having an extremely difficult time to finding out 'what exactly' the problem is, but if you wish I'll tell CCP everything's fine nothing needs to be fixed at all.
So be it.
I had such a nice list of things that outside of numbers needs fixing, mostly quality of life stuff for vehicles and AV in general. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3136
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:32:00 -
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I have great respect for IWS, and have had more than my fair share of arguments with the OP, but even I have to agree with this.
He does make good points at times, but often his personal experience doesn't match what's really going on. Yes, it's possible for the right player with the right fitting and a bit of luck to pull off some of the things he's seen, but that doesn't mean it's the usual routine for everyone else and it doesn't mean that one experience he's qouting at us is a solid example in the face of many equally-legitimate experiences of other players which show the exact opposite scenario happening in a similar situation. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
520
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:40:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Maybe pilots should learn how to complain better because I am having an extremely difficult time to finding out 'what exactly' the problem is, but if you wish I'll tell CCP everything's fine nothing needs to be fixed at all.
So be it.
I had such a nice list of things that outside of numbers needs fixing, mostly quality of life stuff for vehicles and AV in general.
Things like fix the small missile turret from exploding itself while the vehicle is moving.
Sorry to jump in here.
But what you just said here is bang out of order.
Your a Member of the CPM, your position has been elevated by the company that makes the game. You are no longer "one of the guys".
Your post lacks respect, and verges on the passive agressive. You lost the right to be an intenet douchebag as soon as you were elevated to a position above the community.
Please don't threaten members of community with your power, by suggesting problems won't get fixed unless you whisper in CCPs ear.
Seriously, I can't believe you just said this. Talk about power going to peoples head.
Sometimes its better, in your position, if you say nothing. |
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Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1418
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:44:00 -
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Iron Wolf, I know you're trying, but things like this
Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Unfortunately I am the only pilot and AV guy on the CPM, secondly you're confusing my job with CCP's job. I also lag bad enough HP bars don't update as fast as they should and I quite often see people with empty HP bars or full, or myself having no armor or shields on spawning.
Talking about Pilot and AV, and then you talk about Sicas and Dren Swarm Launchers, just because you've used Militia Gear doesn't make you a Pilot or AVer, it's like saying that I'm a proper Heavy because I run in a Militia Heavy Suit, or I'm a Sniper but use a Militia Sniper Rifle.
I appreciate you have things that need to be blatantly fixed, such as missiles hitting the sides of vehicles (especially the ones that hit the driver of an LAV.) but be real, you're an observer, not a Pilot nor an AVer. It's not even about you not being either one, but more about coming into peoples threads when it's about AV and Vehicles, and making comments, and when I tell you what's up, you continue on oblivious. It's most about the AV v LAV things. My LAV takes 5 Lai Dai Packed AV grenades not one, if you're explaining things to CCP you need to have it right. |
Adam Average
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:48:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Maybe pilots should learn how to complain better because I am having an extremely difficult time to finding out 'what exactly' the problem is, but if you wish I'll tell CCP everything's fine nothing needs to be fixed at all.
So be it.
I had such a nice list of things that outside of numbers needs fixing, mostly quality of life stuff for vehicles and AV in general.
Things like fix the small missile turret from exploding itself while the vehicle is moving. Sorry to jump in here. But what you just said here is bang out of order. Your a Member of the CPM, your position has been elevated by the company that makes the game. You are no longer "one of the guys". Your post lacks respect, and verges on the passive agressive. You lost the right to be an intenet douchebag as soon as you were elevated to a position above the community. Please don't threaten members of community with your power, by suggesting problems won't get fixed unless you whisper in CCPs ear. Seriously, I can't believe you just said this. Talk about power going to peoples head. Sometimes its better if you say nothing.
I don't blame the guy, i see floods and floods of vehicle complaint threads, most just consist of how they have been run over XXXX amount of times from what i've seen.
I'm waiting for some new weaponry, like the rail rifle and stuff like that, before i go pointing at vehicles saying "Hey that needs a nerfing" since really, i know there might be some tools down the line that i'm not aware of that can more effectively deal with these death taxis. I do agree they need a slight reduced HP, but even then maybe i'm not using the right tools, or i'm not effectively spec'd to truly deal with this threat, and all the Assault rifle run and gunners aren't going to help me stop these things.
For now i relax back onto my militia swarm launchers and forge guns, in hopes my pew pew weaponry that costs me 601 ISK a pop, can deal with it. |
Judge Rhadamanthus
Kapow Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:52:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Maybe pilots should learn how to complain better because I am having an extremely difficult time to finding out 'what exactly' the problem is, but if you wish I'll tell CCP everything's fine nothing needs to be fixed at all.
So be it.
I had such a nice list of things that outside of numbers needs fixing, mostly quality of life stuff for vehicles and AV in general.
Things like fix the small missile turret from exploding itself while the vehicle is moving.
That's a threat, no two ways about it. You are abusing your position and using it to try control others. You are a very poor community representative. Shamefully poor.
As for your comments about finding it hard to see what we want address... Colour me gobsmacked. In the very detailed and constructive Dropship thread there is all the info you need. In fact you posted in it. You said. "Learn to fly" An unconstructive and bias comment.
You are an embarrassment. To CCP and the CPM |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4769
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:53:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Maybe pilots should learn how to complain better because I am having an extremely difficult time to finding out 'what exactly' the problem is, but if you wish I'll tell CCP everything's fine nothing needs to be fixed at all.
So be it.
I had such a nice list of things that outside of numbers needs fixing, mostly quality of life stuff for vehicles and AV in general.
Things like fix the small missile turret from exploding itself while the vehicle is moving. Sorry to jump in here. But what you just said here is bang out of order. Your a Member of the CPM, your position has been elevated by the company that makes the game. You are no longer "one of the guys". Your post lacks respect, and verges on the passive agressive. You lost the right to be an intenet douchebag as soon as you were elevated to a position above the community. Please don't threaten members of community with your power, by suggesting problems won't get fixed unless you whisper in CCPs ear. Seriously, I can't believe you just said this. Talk about power going to peoples head. Sometimes its better if you say nothing.
All I am asking for is would the current pilots stop being so stubborn and actually try to talk to me? Not by me, not around or behind me, but at me.
Because I am sorta getting tired putting quite a bit of effort in trying to understand ANY their problems. In my efforts I have identified quite a large number quality of life issues but as for verifying their generic complaints I am having near zero success in.
This isn't like the HMG use where I can verify that the HMG only did kill at 10-15 meters. Or run up to a guy in an assault suit and beat a heavy armed with an HMG to death. The whole AVvV thing is a very complicated 'Environment' its not a situation, its not any specific vehicle, its not a specific module, its the whole damn thing. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
523
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:55:00 -
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Adam Average wrote:
I don't blame the guy, i see floods and floods of vehicle complaint threads, most just consist of how they have been run over XXXX amount of times from what i've seen.
I'm waiting for some new weaponry, like the rail rifle and stuff like that, before i go pointing at vehicles saying "Hey that needs a nerfing" since really, i know there might be some tools down the line that i'm not aware of that can more effectively deal with these death taxis. I do agree they need a slight reduced HP, but even then maybe i'm not using the right tools, or i'm not effectively spec'd to truly deal with this threat, and all the Assault rifle run and gunners aren't going to help me stop these things.
For now i relax back onto my militia swarm launchers and forge guns, in hopes my pew pew weaponry that costs me 601 ISK a pop, can deal with it. Cause i find it foolish to run Proto in pubs.
Yeah, true, there are loads of complaint threads.
But that doesn't excuse a member of the CPM coming in and saying (paraphrased):
"shutup okay, if your going to be like that, Im not gonna show CCP all the hard work Ive done"
Its childish and rediculious.
CSM are supposed to be the the best of us.
If he wouldn't email it to a CCP dev, he shouldn't say it to us. Any of us, even if they thread or comments are unreasonable.
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Foxhound Elite
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
138
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:57:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Maybe pilots should learn how to complain better because I am having an extremely difficult time to finding out 'what exactly' the problem is, but if you wish I'll tell CCP everything's fine nothing needs to be fixed at all.
So be it.
I had such a nice list of things that outside of numbers needs fixing, mostly quality of life stuff for vehicles and AV in general.
Things like fix the small missile turret from exploding itself while the vehicle is moving.
Iron Wolf Saber, everyone know's me as SI's Dropship pilot. Contact me ingame on dust after downtime and we'll talk about pilot problems. |
Foxhound Elite
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
138
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:57:00 -
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Also, good work Jason in bringing more attention to vehicle issues <3 |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
516
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:59:00 -
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I will admit, Saber is a good CPM in a bad posistion. Yea it feels like he is a CCP Intern, but honeslty if a blue poster came in here and started talking to us, Um yea we would start talking to them. Of course.
Don't alienate the CPM or the game will turn to garbage due to miscommunication. Dropships and Tanks seem fine to me so I have no idea whats wrong with everyone, Every time I see a CPM post, the response is always super hostile. And thats just entirely unproductive.
You people are screwing up this game. Yes CCP doesn't listen very well, yes the CPM might not be the best elite balances. But when you flame them or attack them constantly. It goes from you might not be heard to you WON'T be heard. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4769
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:00:00 -
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Foxhound Elite wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Maybe pilots should learn how to complain better because I am having an extremely difficult time to finding out 'what exactly' the problem is, but if you wish I'll tell CCP everything's fine nothing needs to be fixed at all.
So be it.
I had such a nice list of things that outside of numbers needs fixing, mostly quality of life stuff for vehicles and AV in general.
Things like fix the small missile turret from exploding itself while the vehicle is moving. Iron Wolf Saber, everyone know's me as SI's Dropship pilot. Contact me ingame on dust after downtime and we'll talk about pilot problems.
I got you on roster, you may get an eve mail from my eve online character, much easier to type there instead (speaking of which ccp can we please get game mail support on the forums?) I know dropships are seriously hurting for some love. CCP Blam is a bit abusive with that. |
Lilah Silverstone
The Arrow Project
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:00:00 -
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Because calling out one of the more active CPM reps is definitely a good way to get your opinions heard. |
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
123
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:03:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:I will admit, Saber is a good CPM in a bad posistion. Yea it feels like he is a CCP Intern, but honeslty if a blue poster came in here and started talking to us, Um yea we would start talking to them. Of course.
Don't alienate the CPM or the game will turn to garbage due to miscommunication. Dropships and Tanks seem fine to me so I have no idea whats wrong with everyone, Every time I see a CPM post, the response is always super hostile. And thats just entirely unproductive.
You people are screwing up this game. Yes CCP doesn't listen very well, yes the CPM might not be the best elite balances. But when you flame them or attack them constantly. It goes from you might not be heard to you WON'T be heard.
They didnt have to accept the position, if they cant handle it they either need to quit or harden the **** up and deal |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
516
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:08:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote: They didnt have to accept the position, if they cant handle it they either need to quit or harden the **** up and deal
No, its called you people have no respect. The only people who really work in these kind of situations where everyone is hostile against them are called Soldiers. They get paid to shoot people, not to help them. Iron Wolf is here to help you. I wish he had the power to ban all you people.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4769
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:09:00 -
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Yeah not all CPM members are able to deal with the forums that well.
I have my flaws in word selection but I can generally handle myself better.
Hans is still by far a superior wordsmith and a CCP manhandler.
Edit: As for the last comment even if granted the power I would ban nobody. Not even Noc Tempe.
People wear down, they change, they understand better, they at most times get easier to work with. I mean look at lowratehitman. Of course other people grow more bitter with age in the game as well. Who is to say they go sweet later?
I only blocked one person on the forums and since then I have unblocked him. |
CrotchGrab 360
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
87
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:10:00 -
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To the OP,
to quote yourself. ''if you have nothing useful to say, don't say anything at all''.
Well you said it alright, and contradicted yourself in the same post. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
123
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:15:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:Delta 749 wrote: They didnt have to accept the position, if they cant handle it they either need to quit or harden the **** up and deal No, its called you people have no respect. The only people who really work in these kind of situations where everyone is hostile against them are called Soldiers. They get paid to shoot people, not to help them. Iron Wolf is here to help you. I wish he had the power to ban all you people.
Youve got something brown on your nose there
Respect for the title was there but many of the CPM have lost that respect due to their actions and behavior Really think about it, when was the last time you heard of people wanting to get rid of say Nova Knife? He carries himself in a respectable manner from what Ive seen and others respect him for it If the stress of the position is getting to others like Wolf who is getting snippy and making thinly veiled threats if he even bothers with trying to veil them in the first place then they can quit and the community will be none worse for the wear and we might be able to get around to electing our own representatives |
Foxhound Elite
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
140
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:16:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Foxhound Elite wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Maybe pilots should learn how to complain better because I am having an extremely difficult time to finding out 'what exactly' the problem is, but if you wish I'll tell CCP everything's fine nothing needs to be fixed at all.
So be it.
I had such a nice list of things that outside of numbers needs fixing, mostly quality of life stuff for vehicles and AV in general.
Things like fix the small missile turret from exploding itself while the vehicle is moving. Iron Wolf Saber, everyone know's me as SI's Dropship pilot. Contact me ingame on dust after downtime and we'll talk about pilot problems. I got you on roster, you may get an eve mail from my eve online character, much easier to type there instead (speaking of which ccp can we please get game mail support on the forums?) I know dropships are seriously hurting for some love. CCP Blam is a bit abusive with that.
aye, EVE mail is much easier. Mail my EVE Character; Cullen Foxhound, when you want to talk. Thanks. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:21:00 -
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Then rather than have anyone and everyone talking to you about AV v Vehicles, look at the most prominent AVers and Vehicle Players, that's the guys with the Swarm Launchers, Plasma Cannons, Forge Guns and hell, even someone that uses AV Grenades, and the guys that drive Armor and Shield LAVs, Dropships and Tanks, I can think of plenty. Ask them to speak on a DUST channel, or IRC or whatever and we can create good feedback based on both sides of the fence. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
516
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:21:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote: Respect for the title was there but many of the CPM have lost that respect due to their actions and behavior Really think about it, when was the last time you heard of people wanting to get rid of say Nova Knife? He carries himself in a respectable manner from what Ive seen and others respect him for it If the stress of the position is getting to others like Wolf who is getting snippy and making thinly veiled threats if he even bothers with trying to veil them in the first place then they can quit and the community will be none worse for the wear and we might be able to get around to electing our own representatives
Ha, no there is general respect. Just because you don't think someone deserves it doesn't mean you withold it. Like you. I have no respect for you. I don't care if you get hit by a truck or get cancer. In fact, if you died right now, it might make it easier for people to see what I posted. See, thats called a lack of respect. But I don't need to respect you.
Thats because you have no authority or influence. You are nothing.
Now if you disagree with Iron Wolf, flaming him isn't going to get you any points. Its going to make him angry and maybe he will actively work to sabotage you. I've see stuff like that before. However, as long as he wears the CPM title, he does have somewhat of a say and if you actually want the game to get better, speaking in a civil tone will net you more results then saying. "Go die in a fire" |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4769
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:22:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Daedric Lothar wrote:Delta 749 wrote: They didnt have to accept the position, if they cant handle it they either need to quit or harden the **** up and deal No, its called you people have no respect. The only people who really work in these kind of situations where everyone is hostile against them are called Soldiers. They get paid to shoot people, not to help them. Iron Wolf is here to help you. I wish he had the power to ban all you people. Youve got something brown on your nose there Respect for the title was there but many of the CPM have lost that respect due to their actions and behavior Really think about it, when was the last time you heard of people wanting to get rid of say Nova Knife? He carries himself in a respectable manner from what Ive seen and others respect him for it If the stress of the position is getting to others like Wolf who is getting snippy and making thinly veiled threats if he even bothers with trying to veil them in the first place then they can quit and the community will be none worse for the wear and we might be able to get around to electing our own representatives
Nova Knife got a little jealous when nobody called for his removal a couple weeks back.
Also thinly veiled threats that are empty are still very empty. I already compiled a massive list of QoL issues and its only a matter of time before it gets noticed on the forums. I am sure CCP already read some of it.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4769
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:22:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:Delta 749 wrote: Respect for the title was there but many of the CPM have lost that respect due to their actions and behavior Really think about it, when was the last time you heard of people wanting to get rid of say Nova Knife? He carries himself in a respectable manner from what Ive seen and others respect him for it If the stress of the position is getting to others like Wolf who is getting snippy and making thinly veiled threats if he even bothers with trying to veil them in the first place then they can quit and the community will be none worse for the wear and we might be able to get around to electing our own representatives Ha, no there is general respect. Just because you don't think someone deserves it doesn't mean you withold it. Like you. I have no respect for you. I don't care if you get hit by a truck or get cancer. In fact, if you died right now, it might make it easier for people to see what I posted. See, thats called a lack of respect. But I don't need to respect you. Thats because you have no authority or influence. You are nothing. Now if you disagree with Iron Wolf, flaming him isn't going to get you any points. Its going to make him angry and maybe he will actively work to sabotage you. I've see stuff like that before. However, as long as he wears the CPM title, he does have somewhat of a say and if you actually want the game to get better, speaking in a civil tone will net you more results then saying. "Go die in a fire"
Please do not resort to personal attacks. I rarely do this and refrain from it. |
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