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Raizor Feddie Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 38	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:27:00 - [1] - Quote So...I'm new, I understand I'm supposed to be stomped out by more experienced Vets, but for the love of **** - This SP isn't for an FPS I can't take on...Anyone! Seriously, it doesn't matter how skilled I am, or how hard I try because I'll always get annihilated, because of proto-this or proto-that. It begs the question, why should I even bother with this? I just get wrecked as soon as I hit the battlefield by someone who's been here since closed Beta. Really, it's been 1 day since I started actually playing and the bleakness of this thing for us newbies is becoming steadily more apparent with every game.
Konohamaru Sarutobi Ahrendee Mercenaries 289	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:29:00 - [2] - Quote Raizor Feddie wrote: So...I'm new, I understand I'm supposed to be stomped out by more experienced Vets, but for the love of **** - This SP isn't for an FPS I can't take on...Anyone! Seriously, it doesn't matter how skilled I am, or how hard I try because I'll always get annihilated, because of proto-this or proto-that. It begs the question, why should I even bother with this? I just get wrecked as soon as I hit the battlefield by someone who's been here since closed Beta. Really, it's been 1 day since I started actually playing and the bleakness of this thing for us newbies is becoming steadily more apparent with every game. Rockie Academy something. Try it
Raizor Feddie Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 38	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:30:00 - [3] - Quote Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: Raizor Feddie wrote: So...I'm new, I understand I'm supposed to be stomped out by more experienced Vets, but for the love of **** - This SP isn't for an FPS I can't take on...Anyone! Seriously, it doesn't matter how skilled I am, or how hard I try because I'll always get annihilated, because of proto-this or proto-that. It begs the question, why should I even bother with this? I just get wrecked as soon as I hit the battlefield by someone who's been here since closed Beta. Really, it's been 1 day since I started actually playing and the bleakness of this thing for us newbies is becoming steadily more apparent with every game. Rockie Academy something. Try it I got kicked out of the academy, something about having too much WP and had to start playing 4 game modes.
BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG Expert Intervention Caldari State 226	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:33:00 - [4] - Quote I WAS IN YOUR BOAT TC SO I FEEL YOUR PAIN. STEP 1. WHAT ARE YOU TRAINING OR USING ATM? IM HERE TO HELP CUZ IM A NOOB AS WELL BUT GOT SOME GOOD ADVICE FROM SOME GOOD PLAYERS.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 274	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:33:00 - [5] - Quote Raizor Feddie wrote: So...I'm new, I understand I'm supposed to be stomped out by more experienced Vets, but for the love of **** - This SP isn't for an FPS I can't take on...Anyone! Seriously, it doesn't matter how skilled I am, or how hard I try because I'll always get annihilated, because of proto-this or proto-that. It begs the question, why should I even bother with this? I just get wrecked as soon as I hit the battlefield by someone who's been here since closed Beta. Really, it's been 1 day since I started actually playing and the bleakness of this thing for us newbies is becoming steadily more apparent with every game. LET me help you out. Step 1.) invest in remote explosives. Step 2.) make sure to play skirms with experienced squad mates. Step 3.) Use remote explosives to..... 'indirectly fight enemies at the objectives' Seriously, I have a 15k isk suit that requires maybe..... 100k SP to get everything on it. I get a 3.0 to 4.0 k/d with it running just the remote explosives, and a standard AR. Skill does effect the game, however you need to play it for a while until you develop the right type of skill. Your probably used to twitch shooters like COD or BF, and I mean I was too. This game is much more 'slower' paced and methodical. So for now, just relax, take a deep breath, and don't charge head on into fights. You need to make the enemy play on YOUR terms, NOT theirs. Things will get better, and in a few months time you can laugh at all the newbs who are justttt getting into the game. just like you.
sgtBelson S.e.V.e.N. Gentlemen's Agreement 20	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:34:00 - [6] - Quote BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG wrote: I WAS IN YOUR BOAT TC SO I FEEL YOUR PAIN. STEP 1. WHAT ARE YOU TRAINING OR USING ATM? IM HERE TO HELP CUZ IM A NOOB AS WELL BUT GOT SOME GOOD ADVICE FROM SOME GOOD PLAYERS. You need to put in a help ticket for that stuck 'Caps Lock' button.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 274	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:34:00 - [7] - Quote Raizor Feddie wrote: Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: Raizor Feddie wrote: So...I'm new, I understand I'm supposed to be stomped out by more experienced Vets, but for the love of **** - This SP isn't for an FPS I can't take on...Anyone! Seriously, it doesn't matter how skilled I am, or how hard I try because I'll always get annihilated, because of proto-this or proto-that. It begs the question, why should I even bother with this? I just get wrecked as soon as I hit the battlefield by someone who's been here since closed Beta. Really, it's been 1 day since I started actually playing and the bleakness of this thing for us newbies is becoming steadily more apparent with every game. Rockie Academy something. Try it I got kicked out of the academy, something about having too much WP and had to start playing 4 game modes. the rookie academy is aimed at giving newbs a "safe" place to train up until they reach a certain WP limit. Then you get dumped into higher level matches from then on.
BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG Expert Intervention Caldari State 226	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:35:00 - [8] - Quote sgtBelson wrote: BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG wrote: I WAS IN YOUR BOAT TC SO I FEEL YOUR PAIN. STEP 1. WHAT ARE YOU TRAINING OR USING ATM? IM HERE TO HELP CUZ IM A NOOB AS WELL BUT GOT SOME GOOD ADVICE FROM SOME GOOD PLAYERS. You need to put in a help ticket for that stuck 'Caps Lock' button. YOU NEED TO MAN UP AND STOP BEING SO HYPER SENSITIVE. IM AT WORK. CAPS IS BORKEN ON WORK COMP. WHEN IM HOME I PLAY VIDS. WHEN IM AT WORK I POST ON FORUM. DEAL.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Orion Empire 7	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:36:00 - [9] - Quote Sp=you'll quit for a couple months come back and be like whoa sp stock pile ill play for a bit again the rinse and repeat
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 274	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:36:00 - [10] - Quote BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG wrote: sgtBelson wrote: BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG wrote: I WAS IN YOUR BOAT TC SO I FEEL YOUR PAIN. STEP 1. WHAT ARE YOU TRAINING OR USING ATM? IM HERE TO HELP CUZ IM A NOOB AS WELL BUT GOT SOME GOOD ADVICE FROM SOME GOOD PLAYERS. You need to put in a help ticket for that stuck 'Caps Lock' button. YOU NEED TO MAN UP AND STOP BEING SO HYPER SENSITIVE. IM AT WORK. CAPS IS BORKEN ON WORK COMP. WHEN IM HOME I PLAY VIDS. WHEN IM AT WORK I POST ON FORUM. DEAL. holding the shift key would take it out of caps...... just sayin

Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 105	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:36:00 - [11] - Quote It sucks but early on you need to focus your skills My advice is get a basic frame up to advanced level and get your weapon of choice to advanced level then start working on some standard mods and increasing your core skills, the stuff that raises your armor shield pg and cpu Youll still need millions but you wont insta gib and youll have a fighting chance
VEXation Gunn Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:37:00 - [12] - Quote Raizor Feddie wrote: So...I'm new, I understand I'm supposed to be stomped out by more experienced Vets, but for the love of **** - This SP isn't for an FPS I can't take on...Anyone! Seriously, it doesn't matter how skilled I am, or how hard I try because I'll always get annihilated, because of proto-this or proto-that. It begs the question, why should I even bother with this? I just get wrecked as soon as I hit the battlefield by someone who's been here since closed Beta. Really, it's been 1 day since I started actually playing and the bleakness of this thing for us newbies is becoming steadily more apparent with every game. ccp wants you to buy active and passive boosters and just afk in mcc for 5 months to have enough sp to compete with protonerds CCP is so hell bent on making dust skill tree impossible for years what little we have now is like 12 years worth of skills
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 274	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:37:00 - [13] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: Sp=you'll quit for a couple months come back and be like whoa sp stock pile ill play for a bit again the rinse and repeat Unless you want to actually get somewhere in this game...... then you might stick around and actually learn how to play with what you got!
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 98	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:39:00 - [14] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: Sp=you'll quit for a couple months come back and be like whoa sp stock pile ill play for a bit again the rinse and repeat This is what I'd say the current system encourages the most and should worry ccp.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4751	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:39:00 - [15] - Quote Raizor Feddie wrote: So...I'm new, I understand I'm supposed to be stomped out by more experienced Vets, but for the love of **** - This SP isn't for an FPS I can't take on...Anyone! Seriously, it doesn't matter how skilled I am, or how hard I try because I'll always get annihilated, because of proto-this or proto-that. It begs the question, why should I even bother with this? I just get wrecked as soon as I hit the battlefield by someone who's been here since closed Beta. Really, it's been 1 day since I started actually playing and the bleakness of this thing for us newbies is becoming steadily more apparent with every game. Uses milita gear, doesn't have that many support skills, still kills proto players and vehicles.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 275	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:40:00 - [16] - Quote VEXation Gunn wrote: Raizor Feddie wrote: So...I'm new, I understand I'm supposed to be stomped out by more experienced Vets, but for the love of **** - This SP isn't for an FPS I can't take on...Anyone! Seriously, it doesn't matter how skilled I am, or how hard I try because I'll always get annihilated, because of proto-this or proto-that. It begs the question, why should I even bother with this? I just get wrecked as soon as I hit the battlefield by someone who's been here since closed Beta. Really, it's been 1 day since I started actually playing and the bleakness of this thing for us newbies is becoming steadily more apparent with every game. ccp wants you to buy active and passive boosters and just afk in mcc for 5 months to have enough sp to compete with protonerds CCP is so hell bent on making dust skill tree impossible for years what little we have now is like 12 years worth of skills Ehhhh well I mean.... they are a business, so.... considering their running a free to play business model..... I would hope their trying to sell the boosters. LOL. This game is supposed to be something people stick with for a long time, and I intend to do just that. Im tired of spending 60$ a year on the same old crap. Ill probably spend just as much on this game, but atleast I wont have to worry about my stats getting erased every year, and what I do will effect others. Not to mention that everything I own is something IIIIII gained through my own work and effort. Ive never played another shooter that had as much meaning in it as this one. Hell I doubt ive ever played another game quite like this one.
BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG Expert Intervention Caldari State 230	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:41:00 - [17] - Quote Marston VC wrote: BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG wrote: sgtBelson wrote: BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG wrote: I WAS IN YOUR BOAT TC SO I FEEL YOUR PAIN. STEP 1. WHAT ARE YOU TRAINING OR USING ATM? IM HERE TO HELP CUZ IM A NOOB AS WELL BUT GOT SOME GOOD ADVICE FROM SOME GOOD PLAYERS. You need to put in a help ticket for that stuck 'Caps Lock' button. YOU NEED TO MAN UP AND STOP BEING SO HYPER SENSITIVE. IM AT WORK. CAPS IS BORKEN ON WORK COMP. WHEN IM HOME I PLAY VIDS. WHEN IM AT WORK I POST ON FORUM. DEAL. holding the shift key would take it out of caps...... just sayin IM HOLDING SHIFT RIGHT NOW AND YOU ARE THE 6TH PERSON TO TELL ME THAT. IT DOESNT WORK FOR SOME REASON.
Phantomnom Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 534	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:41:00 - [18] - Quote I think you should be awarded two Respecs and "New Player Status for an allotted time. The SP disparity isn't the problem, it's just all too easy to **** up when you first start, and once you've done that you're at an instant disadvantage, and as a new player it shows.
SoCal Ninja IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 77	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:43:00 - [19] - Quote Too bad he will ALWAYS be 10 million SP behind the player base. I agree this game will never get new players to commit because there's no point in trying to catch up because its impossible.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 275	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:43:00 - [20] - Quote Pent'noir wrote: KOBLAKA1 wrote: Sp=you'll quit for a couple months come back and be like whoa sp stock pile ill play for a bit again the rinse and repeat This is what I'd say the current system encourages the most and should worry ccp. 4 months of passive gaining = 3.5 million SP 4 months of playing = 12 million SP 1 year of passive gaining = 11 million SP 1 year of playing = 50 million SP (approximately) hmmmm I mean if you think waiting will make things any better then go ahead and do that, but im not sure if things will work out the way you want it to.....

BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG Expert Intervention Caldari State 231	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:45:00 - [21] - Quote Phantomnom wrote: I think you should be awarded two Respecs and "New Player Status for an allotted time. The SP disparity isn't the problem, it's just all too easy to **** up when you first start, and once you've done that you're at an instant disadvantage, and as a new player it shows. THIS IS WHAT HELPED ME. I WAS NEW AND MADE A BAD FIRST GUY. GOT SOME ADVICE AND STARTED A NEW GUY AND USED ALL MY SP TO GET A GEK. NOW ITS LESS PAINFUL.
Raizor Feddie Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 38	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:49:00 - [22] - Quote Well I found something that kinda works for me. If I shield tank a logi with an AR...I seem to do good work. All with militia gear too!!
Phantomnom Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 535	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:52:00 - [23] - Quote BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG wrote: Phantomnom wrote: I think you should be awarded two Respecs and "New Player Status for an allotted time. The SP disparity isn't the problem, it's just all too easy to ** up when you first start, and once you've done that you're at an instant disadvantage, and as a new player it shows. THIS IS WHAT HELPED ME. I WAS NEW AND MADE A BAD FIRST GUY. GOT SOME ADVICE AND STARTED A NEW GUY AND USED ALL MY SP TO GET A GEK. NOW ITS LESS PAINFUL. GEK for life bro. Don't you go Tac AR on me Booger, don't sell your soul.**
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 98	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:53:00 - [24] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Pent'noir wrote: KOBLAKA1 wrote: Sp=you'll quit for a couple months come back and be like whoa sp stock pile ill play for a bit again the rinse and repeat This is what I'd say the current system encourages the most and should worry ccp. 4 months of passive gaining = 3.5 million SP 4 months of playing = 12 million SP 1 year of passive gaining = 11 million SP 1 year of playing = 50 million SP (approximately) hmmmm I mean if you think waiting will make things any better then go ahead and do that, but im not sure if things will work out the way you want it to..... After so much sp, it doesn't matter anymore. You will have a very good hold on a single role. Extra sp would just be for expanding out into other roles. 11 mill sounds like a pretty good foothold for all sp placed into a single role, that is if they don't just delete the game and never come back. Although, yes, you are right in that just playing will eventually get you out of the sp hole quicker, but it does take a certain determination and masochistic personality. Some would say that's a good thing, but it limits the game to just being a niche. I'd like all of highsec to be modified somehow to give these ppl a place to play while gearing up for lowsec, but thats just my own axe to grind.
BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG Expert Intervention Caldari State 231	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:54:00 - [25] - Quote Phantomnom wrote: BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG wrote: Phantomnom wrote: I think you should be awarded two Respecs and "New Player Status for an allotted time. The SP disparity isn't the problem, it's just all too easy to ** up when you first start, and once you've done that you're at an instant disadvantage, and as a new player it shows. THIS IS WHAT HELPED ME. I WAS NEW AND MADE A BAD FIRST GUY. GOT SOME ADVICE AND STARTED A NEW GUY AND USED ALL MY SP TO GET A GEK. NOW ITS LESS PAINFUL. GEK for life bro. Don't you go Tac AR on me Booger, don't sell your soul.** I HAVE ALREADY SEEN THE LIGHT. SVER4LIFEISGEK4LIFE.
GVGISDEAD Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:55:00 - [26] - Quote It will not get any better unless CCP removes the weekly cap there is no way new players will be able to catch up with the rest of the community. Let us remember such "CAP" was just intended to be "temporal", I would scratch that and put in place the word "static" a) AFK in the MCC and use boosters. b) Never come back to this trash game and play other shooters that can make you happy. c) Accumulate SP and do NOT use your SP for several years until you can skill into an specific role.
Fist Groinpunch GoonFeet 4	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:58:00 - [27] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Raizor Feddie wrote: So...I'm new, I understand I'm supposed to be stomped out by more experienced Vets, but for the love of ** - This SP isn't for an FPS I can't take on...Anyone! Seriously, it doesn't matter how skilled I am, or how hard I try because I'll always get annihilated, because of proto-this or proto-that. It begs the question, why should I even bother with this? I just get wrecked as soon as I hit the battlefield by someone who's been here since closed Beta. Really, it's been 1 day since I started actually playing and the bleakness of this thing for us newbies is becoming steadily more apparent with every game. Uses milita gear, doesn't have that many support skills, still kills proto players and vehicles. Bull**. If passive SP gain is 24k SP per day, and you've had your guy since the last reset that's at least 2.88 million SP. More if you play to earn Active SP (and you do), and more if you buy boosters. I bet you have over 8 mil SP invested in your character.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 54	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:59:00 - [28] - Quote Matchmaking...
CASHERN X2 DIOS X. II 23	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:03:00 - [29] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Uses milita gear, doesn't have that many support skills, still kills Shittastic proto players and vehicles. Fixed.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 277	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:03:00 - [30] - Quote Pent'noir wrote: Marston VC wrote: Pent'noir wrote: KOBLAKA1 wrote: Sp=you'll quit for a couple months come back and be like whoa sp stock pile ill play for a bit again the rinse and repeat This is what I'd say the current system encourages the most and should worry ccp. 4 months of passive gaining = 3.5 million SP 4 months of playing = 12 million SP 1 year of passive gaining = 11 million SP 1 year of playing = 50 million SP (approximately) hmmmm I mean if you think waiting will make things any better then go ahead and do that, but im not sure if things will work out the way you want it to..... After so much sp, it doesn't matter anymore. You will have a very good hold on a single role. Extra sp would just be for expanding out into other roles. 11 mill sounds like a pretty good foothold for all sp placed into a single role, that is if they don't just delete the game and never come back. Although, yes, you are right in that just playing will eventually get you out of the sp hole quicker, but it does take a certain determination and masochistic personality. Some would say that's a good thing, but it limits the game to just being a niche. I'd like all of highsec to be modified somehow to give these ppl a place to play while gearing up for lowsec, but thats just my own axe to grind. Your right, the numbers I put up are just a way to justify the "HTFU" mentality a lot of people scream on here. The game needs to be more streamlined for newbies to get into and stick with. That will come with time (when they add drones) and with better shooter controls...... Like ones that I can aim properly with. lol

Full Metal Kitten Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 627	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:03:00 - [31] - Quote ... is not optimal. :)
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 277	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:05:00 - [32] - Quote Fist Groinpunch wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Raizor Feddie wrote: So...I'm new, I understand I'm supposed to be stomped out by more experienced Vets, but for the love of ** - This SP isn't for an FPS I can't take on...Anyone! Seriously, it doesn't matter how skilled I am, or how hard I try because I'll always get annihilated, because of proto-this or proto-that. It begs the question, why should I even bother with this? I just get wrecked as soon as I hit the battlefield by someone who's been here since closed Beta. Really, it's been 1 day since I started actually playing and the bleakness of this thing for us newbies is becoming steadily more apparent with every game. Uses milita gear, doesn't have that many support skills, still kills proto players and vehicles. Bull**. If passive SP gain is 24k SP per day, and you've had your guy since the last reset that's at least 2.88 million SP. More if you play to earn Active SP (and you do), and more if you buy boosters. I bet you have over 8 mil SP invested in your character. its called an alt account...... Lots of people make them because to my knowledge CCP hasn't said anything against them. Lol, he could even be using a second character, though I don't seem much point in that.....
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Orion Empire 7	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:06:00 - [33] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Pent'noir wrote: KOBLAKA1 wrote: Sp=you'll quit for a couple months come back and be like whoa sp stock pile ill play for a bit again the rinse and repeat This is what I'd say the current system encourages the most and should worry ccp. 4 months of passive gaining = 3.5 million SP 4 months of playing = 12 million SP 1 year of passive gaining = 11 million SP 1 year of playing = 50 million SP (approximately) hmmmm I mean if you think waiting will make things any better then go ahead and do that, but im not sure if things will work out the way you want it to..... Except at the 10 mil mark you can run proto weapon and suit plus most the support skills so you'd still be competitive. So come back in a year (I don't actually recommend this)
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4754	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:07:00 - [34] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Fist Groinpunch wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Raizor Feddie wrote: So...I'm new, I understand I'm supposed to be stomped out by more experienced Vets, but for the love of ** - This SP isn't for an FPS I can't take on...Anyone! Seriously, it doesn't matter how skilled I am, or how hard I try because I'll always get annihilated, because of proto-this or proto-that. It begs the question, why should I even bother with this? I just get wrecked as soon as I hit the battlefield by someone who's been here since closed Beta. Really, it's been 1 day since I started actually playing and the bleakness of this thing for us newbies is becoming steadily more apparent with every game. Uses milita gear, doesn't have that many support skills, still kills proto players and vehicles. Bull**. If passive SP gain is 24k SP per day, and you've had your guy since the last reset that's at least 2.88 million SP. More if you play to earn Active SP (and you do), and more if you buy boosters. I bet you have over 8 mil SP invested in your character. its called an alt account...... Lots of people make them because to my knowledge CCP hasn't said anything against them. Lol, he could even be using a second character, though I don't seem much point in that..... Didn't get the memo that I am an omni-soldier, I specced into everything at once. 8 million spread very thinly and still not done with 'core' skills.
Phantomnom Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 535	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:13:00 - [35] - Quote Aside from core and proficiency Skills there's only so many SP Sinks you can take in to a match, you can take on the Protobro's with the right set up from near enough the start, it's just knowing how to allocate from the start and as a newbie that's not going to happen.
S Park Finner BetaMax. CRONOS. 121	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:26:00 - [36] - Quote Speaking to the OP's thread title (or at least part of it) The question is "Why even try?" and we see people hashing it out over and over. A friend of mine tried out DUST 514 a few months ago and just didn't like it. With the "release" he tried again and got in a squad with me and a bunch of guys that had been playing the game for a while. When I asked afterword how he liked it he said it was great. I think it's safe to say new players can't jump in and play solo or with a pick-up squad of unhelpful / clueless players and have any kind of positive experience. You can tell them to get in a Corporation and play with a team but that can't be their first experience. There's no mechanism for it. I have no idea how we can change that. While there are certainly a lot of problems with gun play that's not the kind of change that will the change the new player experience. Some people talk about wanting a team based, more tactical shooter. Well, we've got one. Maybe we shouldn't be surprised that people who don't want / can't figure out how to get to the team/tactical elements of the game ask "why even try?"
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3333	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:29:00 - [37] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Uses milita gear, doesn't have that many support skills, still kills proto players and vehicles. You've also been playing for how long? New player experience in DUST is ****
Raizor Feddie Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 41	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:40:00 - [38] - Quote S Park Finner wrote: Speaking to the OP's thread title (or at least part of it) The question is "Why even try?" and we see people hashing it out over and over. A friend of mine tried out DUST 514 a few months ago and just didn't like it. With the "release" he tried again and got in a squad with me and a bunch of guys that had been playing the game for a while. When I asked afterword how he liked it he said it was great. I think it's safe to say new players can't jump in and play solo or with a pick-up squad of unhelpful / clueless players and have any kind of positive experience. You can tell them to get in a Corporation and play with a team but that can't be their first experience. There's no mechanism for it. I have no idea how we can change that. While there are certainly a lot of problems with gun play that's not the kind of change that will the change the new player experience. Some people talk about wanting a team based, more tactical shooter. Well, we've got one. Maybe we shouldn't be surprised that people who don't want / can't figure out how to get to the team/tactical elements of the game ask "why even try?" I understand your points. I love tactics (One of the things that appealed to me about Dust, but...Lord this is just unrealistically painful to go through. Super soldiers that just...Are. They're so much better than me, and I can't really do much about it.
Montezumas Revenge the majestic space duck MIGHTY PUBLORD OF BROHAN 10	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:59:00 - [39] - Quote I'm here to say that I've been playing since closed beta and I'm terrible at Dust.
Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock Ultramarine Corp 12	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:06:00 - [40] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Pent'noir wrote: KOBLAKA1 wrote: Sp=you'll quit for a couple months come back and be like whoa sp stock pile ill play for a bit again the rinse and repeat This is what I'd say the current system encourages the most and should worry ccp. 4 months of passive gaining = 3.5 million SP 4 months of playing = 12 million SP 1 year of passive gaining = 11 million SP 1 year of playing = 50 million SP (approximately) hmmmm I mean if you think waiting will make things any better then go ahead and do that, but im not sure if things will work out the way you want it to..... What he said. The only way to get better, is to get better. Adapt and overcome. Use cover. Stick with your squad. Nobody wins every battle but you will improve.

Reefersmokintaz Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 36	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:12:00 - [41] - Quote I can tell not many play EVE... It takes approx. 18 years, 27 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes and 27 seconds to skill all skills in EVE to lvl 5 and that was a statistic from last year and it has at least a couple months added. Now in Dust it takes approx. 7 years (heard that somewhere cant exactly remember where) but with way more skills to come in in future expansions, will ofc rise. Personally, I like striving to get something rather than it just handed to me. Main reason why I'm bitter-vet status in EVE right now lol. I just have to have a new goal to set and I will play EVE again but I do not let the subscription lapse at all. I keep it training, both accounts. I moved on to Dust for the time being
General John Ripper 187. Unclaimed. 321	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:13:00 - [42] - Quote Raizor Feddie wrote: So...I'm new, I understand I'm supposed to be stomped out by more experienced Vets, but for the love of **** - This SP isn't for an FPS I can't take on...Anyone! Seriously, it doesn't matter how skilled I am, or how hard I try because I'll always get annihilated, because of proto-this or proto-that. It begs the question, why should I even bother with this? I just get wrecked as soon as I hit the battlefield by someone who's been here since closed Beta. Really, it's been 1 day since I started actually playing and the bleakness of this thing for us newbies is becoming steadily more apparent with every game. I go 20-0 in a militia suit dude. Maybe you just suck.
Talpa Lute Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:16:00 - [43] - Quote The levels of sexy itt is too damn high
Rek Nin Expert Intervention Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:24:00 - [44] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Uses milita gear, doesn't have that many support skills, still kills proto players and vehicles. You've also been playing for how long? New player experience in DUST is **** What he said. You get less than a day in the academy and then you are thrown in with the people who have been playing for weeks, months or up to a year. People who kept everything they collected asset wise and skill point wise. .. Also, those numbers that someone posted up. When you say playing for a year, do you just mean hitting the weekly cap every week?
Raizor Feddie Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 44	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:38:00 - [45] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: Raizor Feddie wrote: So...I'm new, I understand I'm supposed to be stomped out by more experienced Vets, but for the love of **** - This SP isn't for an FPS I can't take on...Anyone! Seriously, it doesn't matter how skilled I am, or how hard I try because I'll always get annihilated, because of proto-this or proto-that. It begs the question, why should I even bother with this? I just get wrecked as soon as I hit the battlefield by someone who's been here since closed Beta. Really, it's been 1 day since I started actually playing and the bleakness of this thing for us newbies is becoming steadily more apparent with every game. I go 20-0 in a militia suit dude. Maybe you just suck. Dumbass. I didn't say the militia gear isn't good. Try, I just started ACTUALLY playing today, I don't have the X million skill points you have and I'm not familiar with a game that has such awkward controls. The existence of people like you in the community doesn't help, and maybe you're the reason that people just stop playing. Try helping instead if putting people down, enjoy your broken514.
Raizor Feddie Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 44	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:39:00 - [46] - Quote Rek Nin wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Uses milita gear, doesn't have that many support skills, still kills proto players and vehicles. You've also been playing for how long? New player experience in DUST is **** What he said. You get less than a day in the academy and then you are thrown in with the people who have been playing for weeks, months or up to a year. People who kept everything they collected asset wise and skill point wise. .. Also, those numbers that someone posted up. When you say playing for a year, do you just mean hitting the weekly cap every week? Exactly. I was playing at (maybe a little above) my skill level, and then suddenly I'm thrown in with the vets and tryhards? Yeah, that's fair.
SmileB4Death Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 103	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:46:00 - [47] - Quote The WP cap is way to low in my opinion. I made an alt to try out the academy, after a few games I was getting proto stomped in pubs. I'm not sure what to suggest to be perfectly honest. Raise the cap? Give newbie's more starter SP? Anyone got any idea's?
Mr PurpSicle D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 44	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:50:00 - [48] - Quote Raizor Feddie wrote: So...I'm new, I understand I'm supposed to be stomped out by more experienced Vets, but for the love of **** - This SP isn't for an FPS I can't take on...Anyone! Seriously, it doesn't matter how skilled I am, or how hard I try because I'll always get annihilated, because of proto-this or proto-that. It begs the question, why should I even bother with this? I just get wrecked as soon as I hit the battlefield by someone who's been here since closed Beta. Really, it's been 1 day since I started actually playing and the bleakness of this thing for us newbies is becoming steadily more apparent with every game. Yes this game has a steeper learning curve than most console FPS games. But just do as much homework as you can and don't give up. As in life, the more you put in the more you will get out. It might take a few months of getting stomped but anything worth while will take a bit of a time investment. If you stick with it, you will get your return. As bleak as this forum makes this game sound it can still be very enjoyable, despite the bugs. Good luck my friend.
Galthur CrimeWave Syndicate 39	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:50:00 - [49] - Quote SmileB4Death wrote: The WP cap is way to low in my opinion. I made an alt to try out the academy, after a few games I was getting proto stomped in pubs. I'm not sure what to suggest to be perfectly honest. Raise the cap? Give newbie's more starter SP? Anyone got any idea's? Put more people from CCP on PVE development, until then a basic only mode
Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Unclaimed. 121	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:54:00 - [50] - Quote my experience is just stick in groups, you can actually help with low SP as a logi, lots of wp, and out of direct harm (sort of, heal someone while they shoot someone else) part of you getting pawned is gear, part of it is not playing smart.

Djheffer O.Q.R.D. 13	Posted - 2013.05.30 04:35:00 - [51] - Quote Pent'noir wrote: KOBLAKA1 wrote: Sp=you'll quit for a couple months come back and be like whoa sp stock pile ill play for a bit again the rinse and repeat This is what I'd say the current system encourages the most and should worry ccp. Totally what I told my wife to do until they polish the game. Her account has to be near 2 mil by now lol.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 687	Posted - 2013.05.30 04:45:00 - [52] - Quote PvE would solve this
Geth Massredux Defensores Doctrina 371	Posted - 2013.05.30 04:57:00 - [53] - Quote Did anybody mention the Eve online thing- if not then- - Welcome to New Eden... Basically Dust is set in the Eve universe, and they are presented with- welcome to new eden... - GETH
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 108	Posted - 2013.05.30 05:02:00 - [54] - Quote Raizor Feddie wrote: Dumbass. I didn't say the militia gear isn't good. Try, I just started ACTUALLY playing today, I don't have the X million skill points you have and I'm not familiar with a game that has such awkward controls. The existence of people like you in the community doesn't help, and maybe you're the reason that people just stop playing. Try helping instead if putting people down, enjoy your broken514. DUST 514 is something that requires time. It's an experience that rewards those who stick with it. Of course it sucks to be where you are now resource wise, but if you endure a week or two and get a bit more SP, you will see things starting to improve. It reminds me of the initiation process in Fight Club where new recruits had to stand outside and take abuse...it sucks and I'm sure most of them would rather quit but those who endured got taken in. You're kinda standing outside at the moment too, getting abused...but one day you will be doing the abusing. :D
Raizor Feddie Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 45	Posted - 2013.05.30 17:57:00 - [55] - Quote Geth Massredux wrote: Did anybody mention the Eve online thing- if not then- - Welcome to New Eden... Basically Dust is set in the Eve universe, and they are presented with- welcome to new eden... - GETH That has GOT to be the worst response to a problem. Ever. Because of a poor new player experience you get "Welcome to New Eden." It's sure to be a short stay for me, this game isn't newbie friendly, hell it's not even possible to BE new, you just die. It has almost nothing to do with skill, from combing these forums, I've learned that most of the FPS vets won't come near this game, which means that there's probably, eh...1 or 2 of them per match. This also means that I'm probably running into a bunch of EvE players and RPG guys. No way am I losing to a RPG guy in a 1v1 gunfight that has anything to do with skill. This is further proven by the fact that all their suits are "PRO" yeah...This is fun.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3361	Posted - 2013.05.30 18:00:00 - [56] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: PvE would solve this PvE would solve so many things, and would actually help put some of the MMO into this "MMOFPS"
Malkai Inos The Vanguardians Orion Empire 183	Posted - 2013.05.30 18:09:00 - [57] - Quote Raizor Feddie wrote: Geth Massredux wrote: Did anybody mention the Eve online thing- if not then- - Welcome to New Eden... Basically Dust is set in the Eve universe, and they are presented with- welcome to new eden... - GETH That has GOT to be the worst response to a problem. Ever. Because of a poor new player experience you get "Welcome to New Eden." It's sure to be a short stay for me, this game isn't newbie friendly, hell it's not even possible to BE new, you just die. It has almost nothing to do with skill, from combing these forums, I've learned that most of the FPS vets won't come near this game, which means that there's probably, eh...1 or 2 of them per match. This also means that I'm probably running into a bunch of EvE players and RPG guys. No way am I losing to a RPG guy in a 1v1 gunfight that has anything to do with skill. This is further proven by the fact that all their suits are "PRO" yeah...This is fun. The difference between a STD gun and a PRO one, all else equal, amounds to 2-3 less bullets to kill, and even that in edge cases. Now the difference beteen 300eHP and 800eHP is considerable but with the STD AR we're talking about some 450DPS. So even with a pretty huge difference in relative terms, in absolute terms it's maybe a second or two. If you surprise that dude and have some good aim, he's dead no matter what tier he is. The difference is that you won't care if you lose some 5k isk but that guy could loose 150-200k. Get a few shots on some protobear and you'll be surprised how quick they can duck to cover. I've killed a bunch of protos simply because they panicked and started making stupid mistakes. Go get 'em and collect their tears while you're at it.
grreen mctree Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2013.05.30 18:23:00 - [58] - Quote Hey op this is how it really is a bunch of eve players cried and cried and cried so ccp said no skill reset at launch. Those same eve players often threw around the phrase 'it's a beta' in defence of dust. Then those eve players treated the beta like a full game and burnt themselves out. Que the tears from eve players, the lack of spine from ccp and the dismay of the new player....players....player.
Acezero 44 Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 20	Posted - 2013.05.30 19:57:00 - [59] - Quote Raizor Feddie wrote: So...I'm new, I understand I'm supposed to be stomped out by more experienced Vets, but for the love of **** - This SP isn't for an FPS I can't take on...Anyone! Seriously, it doesn't matter how skilled I am, or how hard I try because I'll always get annihilated, because of proto-this or proto-that. It begs the question, why should I even bother with this? I just get wrecked as soon as I hit the battlefield by someone who's been here since closed Beta. Really, it's been 1 day since I started actually playing and the bleakness of this thing for us newbies is becoming steadily more apparent with every game. It may be shocking to you but, there are "really " good players in this game If I play skirmish for 10 hours I only meet a few an hour.. I had to drive to a friends house an kick @ss with his noob toon to show him this statement is not correct. If you meet a squad of proto tryhards, chances are they would have facerolled you anyway, gear or no gear.. Train your gun game, I spent my first 3 months in a dragonfly suit and I used a Exile AR, No skills invested in the weapon, AND I SOLO, my ratio hit 2.8 @ 6k kills. that was using nothing but milita blue prints and a AR with no skills..(I saved up over 300mill btw) Its ok to QQ sometimes, but gAwdd,.. put some effort in first..
Mobias Wyvern Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 73	Posted - 2013.07.06 08:46:00 - [60] - Quote Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this......... Planetside 2 Coming to PS4 this year 1080p Ultra settings at Night Intense Open Field Battle 100 Man Infantry Objective Push Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air NC Montage Planetside 2 Machinima Factions Explained Why you should Play Planetside 2 From Vets



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