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DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 471	Posted - 2013.05.29 21:35:00 - [31] - Quote I have been assault in every other build, chose Cal logi this build since assaults no longer got two equipment slots in proto. My role is basically a hybrid, I don't revive or heal (although I do have proto injectors just in case), but I do provide the team with proto hives, uplinks, and I may get back into active scanning too. Being in this logi suit has made me lean more towards a supportive role than a slayer, just too hard to ignore all those equipment slots and the variety of gameplay it offers me. These logi suits are pretty much a jack of all trades suit, not really specialized for any one thing, but you can make it whatever you want it to be, and I think that is the biggest reason why so many are using them. It's what this game should be like, more open and giving the players choices, rather than being a restricted SP sink that it is with most other classes and suits.
GVGISDEAD Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.05.29 21:51:00 - [32] - Quote After the nerf the next in line to be in op threads are Minmatar assault and logistics. The assault variant is the nearest thing in high slot power plus it has a built in repair.
DigiOps Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 289	Posted - 2013.05.29 21:54:00 - [33] - Quote Its no secret the Caldari have always favored shields for defense. I agree, it is a bit out of hand, but if CCP simply dialed back the passive bonus and increased the passive bonuses to the other suits, I'd wager we would have the game pretty well balanced. As for now, there are counters to the situation we currently have access to. Among them is the flux grenade which serves to disrupt our shielding. Even us Caldari assaults freak out when we get "fluxed" because, as a race, we are so heavily reliant on shields to keep us safe. Situations like these are being "monitored" according to CCP. We should be careful how we respond because we don't want to bash the suits with the nerf hammer into an abysmal state of uselessness the way the tactical rifles were in Chromosome. Simply put, they were worthless. I don't want to see that happen again.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 132	Posted - 2013.05.29 21:57:00 - [34] - Quote Skihids wrote: KOBLAKA1 wrote: Hmmm shameless trolling... Please backup your facepalm A logistics role is the LOGISTICS not leading a charge like an assault. I thought DUST did away with rigidly defined roles. Isn't the idea to use whatever resources you can to fulfill whatever role you want? Tell that to the Heavies.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 250	Posted - 2013.05.29 22:01:00 - [35] - Quote NoxiousMentos wrote: Rolf The Viking wrote: This seriously needs to be let go. The only suit that's really abused is the Caldari due to the shield bonuses. I run a Min Logi and guess what, I speed tank a shotgun build most times in Pubs. They're for fun. In PC I run a pure Logi build. If you pull my light weapon you'll find almost no logistics players will be on the field. +1 GTFO with "Intended roles" This game promotes choosing and building whatever you want,not what people think you should. I too play logi and yep! in pubs sometimes I heal,sometimes I heal and assault,sometimes I just play straight logisault.And it is noooo ones business wth I do or don't do with MY suits/fits. Doesn't Eve promote choosing and building whatever you want? How often to do you see Scimitars with all DPS fits?
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1751	Posted - 2013.05.29 22:03:00 - [36] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: Hmmm shameless trolling... Please backup your facepalm A logistics role is the LOGISTICS not leading a charge like an assault. You seem to think logistics are medics but fail to justify that belief.
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 179	Posted - 2013.05.29 22:04:00 - [37] - Quote Dumb enough to go tar knowing everyone would be shield? Lol they are fine the way they are and I run minmitar assault
NoxiousMentos Bojo's School of the Trades 13	Posted - 2013.05.29 22:17:00 - [38] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: NoxiousMentos wrote: Rolf The Viking wrote: This seriously needs to be let go. The only suit that's really abused is the Caldari due to the shield bonuses. I run a Min Logi and guess what, I speed tank a shotgun build most times in Pubs. They're for fun. In PC I run a pure Logi build. If you pull my light weapon you'll find almost no logistics players will be on the field. +1 GTFO with "Intended roles" This game promotes choosing and building whatever you want,not what people think you should. I too play logi and yep! in pubs sometimes I heal,sometimes I heal and assault,sometimes I just play straight logisault.And it is noooo ones business wth I do or don't do with MY suits/fits. Doesn't Eve promote choosing and building whatever you want? How often to do you see Scimitars with all DPS fits? What does Eve have to do with this specific topic? And I have no idea what you are referring to so I guess...never?
Zahle Undt The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 121	Posted - 2013.05.29 22:18:00 - [39] - Quote Skyhound Solbrave wrote: Is this seriously a thing again? I hope its a troll. The Amarr logi is one of the most balanced suits of the game and is SUPPOSED to provide COMBAT SUPPORT. Stop trying to say we're not allowed to kill. I don't get 13 kills and 20 assists because my suit is op, its because I have a better gun game than you and I heal the players that fall at my side. Oh, and I don't use a tac Ar. I main the regular semi-auto SR. I heal and I kill, its what I do. I would agree with you if they brought the Amarr logi PG up to around the others.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 250	Posted - 2013.05.29 22:37:00 - [40] - Quote NoxiousMentos wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: NoxiousMentos wrote: Rolf The Viking wrote: This seriously needs to be let go. The only suit that's really abused is the Caldari due to the shield bonuses. I run a Min Logi and guess what, I speed tank a shotgun build most times in Pubs. They're for fun. In PC I run a pure Logi build. If you pull my light weapon you'll find almost no logistics players will be on the field. +1 GTFO with "Intended roles" This game promotes choosing and building whatever you want,not what people think you should. I too play logi and yep! in pubs sometimes I heal,sometimes I heal and assault,sometimes I just play straight logisault.And it is noooo ones business wth I do or don't do with MY suits/fits. Doesn't Eve promote choosing and building whatever you want? How often to do you see Scimitars with all DPS fits? What does Eve have to do with this specific topic? And I have no idea what you are referring to so I guess...never? Intended Roles. Scimitar == Minmatar Logi in Eve. In my experience, they primarily have Shield Transporters with maybe a Civilian Gatling Autocannon so they can ***** on killmails. I was drawing a correlation between two games set in the same game Universe that also have similar philosophies though different platforms. Logi =/= Assault Logi == Logi Assault == Assault

A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 77	Posted - 2013.05.29 22:39:00 - [41] - Quote I do not agree with nerfing all the Logi suits because of one suit or taking away their light weapon of choice. However, having one suit that can be better at everything when compared to all of the alternatives is OP. The best suggestion I have heard is reducing the PG/CPU, I would suggest to a level below the equivalent Assault, but give the Logi suit a PG/CPU modifier to equipment i.e. they get a bonus reduction to fitting equipment. This way the Logi can do the job of medic or specialist role like demolitions, and with correct balancing, fit any variation of equipment they want but won't be able to tank everything in sight by fitting complex everything. It will also allow for restrictions on what other suits can fit and thus ensuring an important place in the squad for a Logi. They will not have the strongest defence, attack or speed but they will remain the most flexible in terms of support.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Orion Empire 5	Posted - 2013.05.29 22:44:00 - [42] - Quote NoxiousMentos wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: NoxiousMentos wrote: Rolf The Viking wrote: This seriously needs to be let go. The only suit that's really abused is the Caldari due to the shield bonuses. I run a Min Logi and guess what, I speed tank a shotgun build most times in Pubs. They're for fun. In PC I run a pure Logi build. If you pull my light weapon you'll find almost no logistics players will be on the field. +1 GTFO with "Intended roles" This game promotes choosing and building whatever you want,not what people think you should. I too play logi and yep! in pubs sometimes I heal,sometimes I heal and assault,sometimes I just play straight logisault.And it is noooo ones business wth I do or don't do with MY suits/fits. Doesn't Eve promote choosing and building whatever you want? How often to do you see Scimitars with all DPS fits? What does Eve have to do with this specific topic? And I have no idea what you are re ferring to so I guess...never? Silly dusty scimitar is a logistics ship it gets bonus to remote reps and another ewar type buff so fitting damage mods and really big guns would be dumb see the parallel? As for me not backing up my argument google the definition of logistics and assault. Obviously you don't know the definition of the two.
NoxiousMentos Bojo's School of the Trades 13	Posted - 2013.05.29 22:46:00 - [43] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: NoxiousMentos wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: NoxiousMentos wrote: Rolf The Viking wrote: This seriously needs to be let go. The only suit that's really abused is the Caldari due to the shield bonuses. I run a Min Logi and guess what, I speed tank a shotgun build most times in Pubs. They're for fun. In PC I run a pure Logi build. If you pull my light weapon you'll find almost no logistics players will be on the field. +1 GTFO with "Intended roles" This game promotes choosing and building whatever you want,not what people think you should. I too play logi and yep! in pubs sometimes I heal,sometimes I heal and assault,sometimes I just play straight logisault.And it is noooo ones business wth I do or don't do with MY suits/fits. Doesn't Eve promote choosing and building whatever you want? How often to do you see Scimitars with all DPS fits? What does Eve have to do with this specific topic? And I have no idea what you are referring to so I guess...never? Intended Roles. Scimitar == Minmatar Logi in Eve. In my experience, they primarily have Shield Transporters with maybe a Civilian Gatling Autocannon so they can ***** on killmails. I was drawing a correlation between two games set in the same game Universe that also have similar philosophies though different platforms. Logi =/= Assault Logi == Logi Assault == Assault Good response and well said.These forums could use more of this instead of all of the troll variations of "NUH UH"
NoxiousMentos Bojo's School of the Trades 14	Posted - 2013.05.29 22:51:00 - [44] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: NoxiousMentos wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: NoxiousMentos wrote: Rolf The Viking wrote: This seriously needs to be let go. The only suit that's really abused is the Caldari due to the shield bonuses. I run a Min Logi and guess what, I speed tank a shotgun build most times in Pubs. They're for fun. In PC I run a pure Logi build. If you pull my light weapon you'll find almost no logistics players will be on the field. +1 GTFO with "Intended roles" This game promotes choosing and building whatever you want,not what people think you should. I too play logi and yep! in pubs sometimes I heal,sometimes I heal and assault,sometimes I just play straight logisault.And it is noooo ones business wth I do or don't do with MY suits/fits. Doesn't Eve promote choosing and building whatever you want? How often to do you see Scimitars with all DPS fits? What does Eve have to do with this specific topic? And I have no idea what you are re ferring to so I guess...never? Silly dusty scimitar is a logistics ship it gets bonus to remote reps and another ewar type buff so fitting damage mods and really big guns would be dumb see the parallel? As for me not backing up my argument google the definition of logistics and assault. Obviously you don't know the definition of the two. Sorry but I do not let google decide what I do or how I play my games.In my google experience I would be a very messed up individual by now if I did.Look at any other MMO and google a class/roll.I can almost promise you people have found new and creative ways to use them effectively. And ya I am just a lowly dusty lol.I would like to try eve and play both but the laptop doesn't run it well enough for me.
Jenza's Pants Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2013.05.29 22:53:00 - [45] - Quote C Logi +Duvolle Tact + Modded controller... congratulations, you've won Dust514...
NoxiousMentos Bojo's School of the Trades 14	Posted - 2013.05.29 22:57:00 - [46] - Quote Jenza's Pants wrote: C Logi +Duvolle Tact + Modded controller... congratulations, you've won Dust514... Minnie Logi,GLU Tact,regular controller. I'm halfway there!
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Orion Empire 6	Posted - 2013.05.29 22:59:00 - [47] - Quote Sorry if it sounded trollish but I meant like Webster dictionary definition not MMO class roles. Would dictionary.com be more suitable to your tastes. +1 for the retort rather than a shameless gtfo. Also decent pg/cpu reduction and a boost let's say -25% even to equipment usage just on every logi would be agreeable. I don't need mean to say they shouldn't partici.pate in combat but 17/0 with only WP from kills is a little wrong and not the intent of the suit
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1757	Posted - 2013.05.29 23:14:00 - [48] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: Sorry if it sounded trollish but I meant like Webster dictionary definition not MMO class roles. Would dictionary.com be more suitable to your tastes. +1 for the retort rather than a shameless gtfo. Um, you realise that in this context "logistics" and "assault" are specialised jargon which mean whatever CCP want them to mean? Falling back on dictionary definitions of words as grounds for disagreement is a weak troll. I don't think you know what the intent of the suit is. If the intent of the suit was purely to run a supply fitting, then the customisation options would not exist and there would be restrictions on what gear could be fit to the suit.
NoxiousMentos Bojo's School of the Trades 14	Posted - 2013.05.29 23:16:00 - [49] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: Sorry if it sounded trollish but I meant like Webster dictionary definition not MMO class roles. Would dictionary.com be more suitable to your tastes. +1 for the retort rather than a shameless gtfo. Also decent pg/cpu reduction and a boost let's say -25% even to equipment usage just on every logi would be agreeable. I don't need mean to say they shouldn't partici.pate in combat but 17/0 with only WP from kills is a little wrong and not the intent of the suit All good man and ditto to you on the response.I do know the difference though lol,I just don't see the problem with thinking outside the box (or in this case:definitions) Your idea could work if it was done right.If not it seems like it would just even itself out and be about the same. As long as I can carry equipment and a light weapon I could give a crap about what gets nerfed.The module slots are awesome but take some away if it comes to it.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Orion Empire 7	Posted - 2013.05.29 23:40:00 - [50] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: KOBLAKA1 wrote: Sorry if it sounded trollish but I meant like Webster dictionary definition not MMO class roles. Would dictionary.com be more suitable to your tastes. +1 for the retort rather than a shameless gtfo. Um, you realise that in this context "logistics" and "assault" are specialised jargon which mean whatever CCP want them to mean? Falling back on dictionary definitions of words as grounds for disagreement is a weak troll. I don't think you know what the intent of the suit is. If the intent of the suit was purely to run a supply fitting, then the customisation options would not exist and there would be restrictions on what gear could be fit to the suit. Logistics equals supply and triage. CCP wouldn't have called the suit logistics on a whim. If the intent was omnirole then they would have called it "jack of all trades" or I don't know assault. If you pick logistics the intent shouldn't be loads of kills like the caldari suit is being abused for. You pick a logistics to throw down equipment and provide heals, then contribute to. combat. I understand that's not always situationally viable but they shouldn't outperform a class whose intended role is dps.

Deluxe Edition TeamPlayers EoN. 317	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:38:00 - [51] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: Logistics equals supply and triage. CCP wouldn't have called the suit logistics on a whim. If the intent was omnirole then they would have called it "jack of all trades" or I don't know assault. If you pick logistics the intent shouldn't be loads of kills like the caldari suit is being abused for. You pick a logistics to throw down equipment and provide heals, then contribute to. combat. I understand that's not always situationally viable but they shouldn't outperform a class whose intended role is dps. Many players play a different variant of logistic, for example while I never run with the tools you speak of I do provide support through holding points with RE's, dropping up-links, and nanohives to provide ammo and to re-up on RE's. Logi suits are currently the only ones with more than 1 equipment slot. Assault variants (especially shields due to the recharge bonus) are the superior killers but for many players only having one equipment slot is the deal breaker. If the assault suits where to once again have 2 equipment slots I guarantee half of these "killer bees" would disappear.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 54	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:12:00 - [52] - Quote I still love how the OP still says all logis need to be nerfed... Not like the CaLogi needs one either. That thing is so slow, it really does need that racial bonus.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Orion Empire 7	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:14:00 - [53] - Quote Deluxe Edition wrote: KOBLAKA1 wrote: Logistics equals supply and triage. CCP wouldn't have called the suit logistics on a whim. If the intent was omnirole then they would have called it "jack of all trades" or I don't know assault. If you pick logistics the intent shouldn't be loads of kills like the caldari suit is being abused for. You pick a logistics to throw down equipment and provide heals, then contribute to. combat. I understand that's not always situationally viable but they shouldn't outperform a class whose intended role is dps. Many players play a different variant of logistic, for example while I never run with the tools you speak of I do provide support through holding points with RE's, dropping up-links, and nanohives to provide ammo and to re-up on RE's. Logi suits are currently the only ones with more than 1 equipment slot. Assault variants (especially shields due to the recharge bonus) are the superior killers but for many players only having one equipment slot is the deal breaker. If the assault suits where to once again have 2 equipment slots I guarantee half of these "killer bees" would disappear. Which is completely cool because guess what you are fulfilling a logistics/engineering role "demolition" while also dropping equipment for the team. You are not out assaulting the enemy lines toe to toe with assault ans heavies. +1 for showing another role logos fill that is not assault
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 54	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:16:00 - [54] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: Mithridates VI wrote: KOBLAKA1 wrote: Sorry if it sounded trollish but I meant like Webster dictionary definition not MMO class roles. Would dictionary.com be more suitable to your tastes. +1 for the retort rather than a shameless gtfo. Um, you realise that in this context "logistics" and "assault" are specialised jargon which mean whatever CCP want them to mean? Falling back on dictionary definitions of words as grounds for disagreement is a weak troll. I don't think you know what the intent of the suit is. If the intent of the suit was purely to run a supply fitting, then the customisation options would not exist and there would be restrictions on what gear could be fit to the suit. Logistics equals supply and triage. CCP wouldn't have called the suit logistics on a whim. If the intent was omnirole then they would have called it "jack of all trades" or I don't know assault. If you pick logistics the intent shouldn't be loads of kills like the caldari suit is being abused for. You pick a logistics to throw down equipment and provide heals, then contribute to. combat. I understand that's not always situationally viable but they shouldn't outperform a class whose intended role is dps. Tell that to Remnant, the guy who designed the dropsuits: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcB8mKo9SV4
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 365	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:20:00 - [55] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: So in a weird twist of fate transformers invaded Dust after the respec. Every other guy seems to be in a yellow suit not fulfilling their intended role. I don't care about their tank anymore if they go logi more power to them if they are healing peeps. Those that are taking advantage of the suits slots however... Logis should have side arm only, and as I know its a favorite make tell MD a sidearm or change pg/cpu somehow so that's the only viable light weapon without crippling the suit in terms of slots. Edit: don't come here for respect...stupid autocorrect I AGREE. Death to the TARS!
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Orion Empire 8	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:24:00 - [56] - Quote Cosgar's Alt wrote: I still love how the OP still says all logis need to be nerfed... Not like the CaLogi needs one either. That thing is so slow, it really does need that racial bonus. Pretty sure I agreed that pg/cpu reduction with a reduction on the pg/cpu needs of equipment once it was suggested. Which in all hopes buffs their logistical capabilities I know fitting uplinks cam be a pain sometimes. That's why its a discussion: to come up with a progressive view of the sitution. You seem to be stuck on the past because I gave a valid retort that stumped you and can't progress with the rest of us.
Galthur CrimeWave Syndicate 39	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:35:00 - [57] - Quote Logistics: The detailed coordination of a complex operation involving many people, facilities, or supplies. Now at that Assault & Logi are supposed to be variations of medium not complete opposites That being said they should have equal module layouts from assault to logi (keep in mind this solves ALL problems) Besides changing Cal logi bonus The whole choice is the following when choosing a suit in medium role Logi: More CPU/PG, More equipment/Lacks sidearm (More tactical role) Assault: More Armor/Shields/Speed, Has sidearm (More assault role) see definition Now as said about balancing a huge part of this game is choice of play style, this is possible by having equal slots on both logi & assault while both also can carry a light weapon Gal: Make the Assault suit like it's Logi in module layout Cal: Make the Logi suit like it's Assault in module layout Min: Get players who use this suit for judgement in module layout whether Assault or Logi Ammar: Get players who use this suit for judgement in module layout whether Assault or Logi Once you do such changes there will be no OP suit and Assault suits and Logi suits will both be completely at their players wanted role. Absolutely no other changes are needed, such wanted like further armor/sheild, speed, pg/cpu, only sidearm are incredibly stupid and unneeded as the problem is soley routed at modules.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 55	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:36:00 - [58] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: Cosgar's Alt wrote: I still love how the OP still says all logis need to be nerfed... Not like the CaLogi needs one either. That thing is so slow, it really does need that racial bonus. Pretty sure I agreed that pg/cpu reduction with a reduction on the pg/cpu needs of equipment once it was suggested. Which in all hopes buffs their logistical capabilities I know fitting uplinks cam be a pain sometimes. That's why its a discussion: to come up with a progressive view of the sitution. You seem to be stuck on the past because I gave a valid retort that stumped you and can't progress with the rest of us. Actually, I've been arguing against changes to the logi class for so long, I rather play it before people like you **** it up. I'm stuck on mobile right now, but wait until I get home if you really want a formal response. But you seemed to miss the video, I linked a few posts back.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Orion Empire 8	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:37:00 - [59] - Quote Cosgar's Alt wrote: KOBLAKA1 wrote: Mithridates VI wrote: KOBLAKA1 wrote: Sorry if it sounded trollish but I meant like Webster dictionary definition not MMO class roles. Would dictionary.com be more suitable to your tastes. +1 for the retort rather than a shameless gtfo. Um, you realise that in this context "logistics" and "assault" are specialised jargon which mean whatever CCP want them to mean? Falling back on dictionary definitions of words as grounds for disagreement is a weak troll. I don't think you know what the intent of the suit is. If the intent of the suit was purely to run a supply fitting, then the customisation options would not exist and there would be restrictions on what gear could be fit to the suit. Logistics equals supply and triage. CCP wouldn't have called the suit logistics on a whim. If the intent was omnirole then they would have called it "jack of all trades" or I don't know assault. If you pick logistics the intent shouldn't be loads of kills like the caldari suit is being abused for. You pick a logistics to throw down equipment and provide heals, then contribute to. combat. I understand that's not always situationally viable but they shouldn't outperform a class whose intended role is dps. Tell that to Remnant, the guy who designed the dropsuits: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcB8mKo9SV4 Your video helps my argument threefold. Firstly a "logistics sustains his allies" = provides repairs ammo and revives Secondly, a "fast hacker" that c"an't stand toe-to-toe with the enemy" Thirdly, he is using a sidearmor (dmv) which I do believe was in my original post which would also flow with the reduced pg/cpu proposal as a sidearm uses less of both.
Henchmen21 Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:44:00 - [60] - Quote I have low hp and average speed but I keep my team spawning close to the action into relative safety. I'll resupply them and rez them. I'll also shoot you if the opportunity presents itself. Doing so much for the team shouldn't mean I can't defend myself. After all how can I drop the uplink behind your lines and thus begin the steamrolling if I can't fight my way back there to begin with?



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