DUST Search - Dropships Actually Works Great

Baal Roo wrote:

gbghg wrote:

Moochie Cricket wrote:

gbghg wrote:

5 dropships lost in one PC match, they can be useful if AV is light, but if they get a high position with 3 forge gunners your toast.

The moment you start to become useful is the moment AV players go balls out

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=80606&find=unread
Bastards had 3 forge gunners on the tower in E7, made it impossible to do anything but fly at high altitude and die.

Honestly, 3 Forge Guns in an elevated position SHOULD make it impossible to do anything with a dropship. That's perfectly good balance IMO. The problem is, it really only takes 1 decent forge gunner anywhere with an even halfway decent vantage point to make it impossible to do anything with a dropship.

Makyre Vahliha wrote:

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We're getting too technical about how a dropship can be taken down. It's just like in real life, anyone can shoot down a military helicopter with a RPG in one shot, which is equivalent to AV weapon. I'm saying that one can be skilled in flying a dropship with practice, but not being invincible.

In real life a soldier can take down another soldier with a single pistol round. I guess ALL the guns should be OHK then, amirite?

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Makyre Vahliha The White Hawk Knights 126	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:14:00 - [1] - Quote In my corp, we have an excellent Dropship pilot that has been flying for us and I was very impressed. With his permission, I proudly so name him Agent 8008. He's the best I've ever squad with. I've been a dropship pilot for a while, but he has shown me so much and I'm inspired to improve flying. I've also been giving him my dropships and he didn't crash any of them, except one shot it down. Only once. We had awesome dogfights with other dropships. I understand that CCP is still working on revising the controls for the dropship in the future, but I'm here to say that Agent has proved to me and to others that it works. All it takes is a LOT of practice. Don't just jump in, crash, then give up screaming wanting respec for something else. Practice, practice, practice. Then you will become valuable and everyone will want to **** the seats gunning down infantry and other people's toys. You can do it!
Vallud Eadesso Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 201	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:17:00 - [2] - Quote This post fills me with some confidence that the playerbase is not totally full of strategically inept mouth breathers. The amount of people I've seen who just want a flying tank, rather than a dropship, are staggering. Good to see they can actually be used and used well.
Full Metal Kitten Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 593	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:18:00 - [3] - Quote INB4 DUST Fiend goes ballistic
Moochie Cricket SyNergy Gaming EoN. 297	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:20:00 - [4] - Quote Try flying a dropship in a PC battle and let me know what happens
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 510	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:20:00 - [5] - Quote sorry I haven't been on to shoot all the DS down.
Makyre Vahliha The White Hawk Knights 126	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:24:00 - [6] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: Try flying a dropship in a PC battle and let me know what happens You'll be surprised at how well my squadmate can fly during a tight battle. A lot of people get hard-on trying to shoot him down, but he gets away a lot. But having gunners is a whole other story. My squadmate screams at me when it comes to me shooting down certain targets. But that's because he knows his dropships well and I'm still trying to improve being a gunner.
The Cobra Commander Bojo's School of the Trades 27	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:27:00 - [7] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: Try flying a dropship in a PC battle and let me know what happens ...or that proto av hiding behind a rock...or better yet will not even render until it is too late.
Makyre Vahliha The White Hawk Knights 126	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:29:00 - [8] - Quote The Cobra Commander wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: Try flying a dropship in a PC battle and let me know what happens ...or that proto av hiding behind a rock...or better yet will not even render until it is too late. Hey, anything can happen. Nobody's invincible. But the point is that piloting dropship works.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1873	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:29:00 - [9] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: Try flying a dropship in a PC battle and let me know what happens Only reason I lost my ADS in the only PC battle I've been in was because my fellow pilot in that match briefly lost control and crashed into me. That said the enemy team had gotten grief uni'd so it's hardly a fair example.
UK-Shots Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 110	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:30:00 - [10] - Quote Makyre Vahliha wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: Try flying a dropship in a PC battle and let me know what happens You'll be surprised at how well my squadmate can fly during a tight battle. A lot of people get hard-on trying to shoot him down, but he gets away a lot. But having gunners is a whole other story. My squadmate screams at me when it comes to me shooting down certain targets. But that's because he knows his dropships well and I'm still trying to improve being a gunner. alot of people just dont notice there there,, they just do a little explosion by my feet knocking my health down by 20 .. and me wondering where it came from. there not rally a threat. if some 1 tried abit to take it out it would be toast, i find myself just ignoring them

Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 126	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:31:00 - [11] - Quote Vallud Eadesso wrote: This post fills me with some confidence that the playerbase is not totally full of strategically inept mouth breathers. The amount of people I've seen who just want a flying tank, rather than a dropship, are staggering. Good to see they can actually be used and used well. correction, the pilot community want WP/SP for their actions which is well deserved since it costs a lot and is a supportive vehicle (this applies to LAV drivers as well) and skills that make sense.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1873	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:34:00 - [12] - Quote UK-Shots wrote: Makyre Vahliha wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: Try flying a dropship in a PC battle and let me know what happens You'll be surprised at how well my squadmate can fly during a tight battle. A lot of people get hard-on trying to shoot him down, but he gets away a lot. But having gunners is a whole other story. My squadmate screams at me when it comes to me shooting down certain targets. But that's because he knows his dropships well and I'm still trying to improve being a gunner. alot of people just dont notice there there,, they just do a little explosion by my feet knocking my health down by 20 .. and me wondering where it came from. there not rally a threat. if some 1 tried abit to take it out it would be toast, i find myself just ignoring them Hence we go for direct hits, they tend to take your shields out.
Selinate deux DUST University Ivy League 83	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:34:00 - [13] - Quote The only things that are imbalanced in this game that I notice is the tac AR. Everything else seems to work well.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3286	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:36:00 - [14] - Quote Full Metal Kitten wrote: INB4 DUST Fiend goes ballistic My infantry build has no room for AV, so I'm just stocking up on militia rail gun tanks
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1445	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:38:00 - [15] - Quote Vallud Eadesso wrote: This post fills me with some confidence that the playerbase is not totally full of strategically inept mouth breathers. The amount of people I've seen who just want a flying tank, rather than a dropship, are staggering. Good to see they can actually be used and used well. Flying dropships in pub matches is easy for a good pilot. I rarely ever go down unless I'm being way too aggressive or just dicking around. The problem is as soon as the enemy has ANY real AV on the field you're absolutely worthless and can be swatted out of the air with ease. In other words, the balance at the lowest common denominator end of the spectrum is fine, they just don't scale up to "proper" organized play.
Moochie Cricket SyNergy Gaming EoN. 303	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:39:00 - [16] - Quote Makyre Vahliha wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: Try flying a dropship in a PC battle and let me know what happens You'll be surprised at how well my squadmate can fly during a tight battle. A lot of people get hard-on trying to shoot him down, but he gets away a lot. But having gunners is a whole other story. My squadmate screams at me when it comes to me shooting down certain targets. But that's because he knows his dropships well and I'm still trying to improve being a gunner. I've been flying dropships since they were free in the closed beta so I like to think I'm one of the better pilots. Regardless, if you get ambushed by a proto forge then no amount of flying skill will help you.
Nguruthos IV Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 95	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:39:00 - [17] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: Try flying a dropship in a PC battle and let me know what happens See that redline rail a mile behind enemy lines? Of course you don't, but it sees you..BOOM, BOOM BOOM. Dead. Too bad you were [anywhere on the map] flying [anything] costing [at least a million isk]. Where as the guy that just killed you had [possibly zero SP], [possible zero isk suit], [or possible wasn't' even a player, just ridiculous AI]. Ahh, what am I kidding, you probably just had an RDV spawn inside you instead.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3288	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:40:00 - [18] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: Makyre Vahliha wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: Try flying a dropship in a PC battle and let me know what happens You'll be surprised at how well my squadmate can fly during a tight battle. A lot of people get hard-on trying to shoot him down, but he gets away a lot. But having gunners is a whole other story. My squadmate screams at me when it comes to me shooting down certain targets. But that's because he knows his dropships well and I'm still trying to improve being a gunner. I've been flying dropships since they were free in the closed beta so I like to think I'm one of the better pilots. Regardless, if you get ambushed by a proto forge then no amount of flying skill will help you. You don't even have to be ambushed, it just needs to be on the field.
Moochie Cricket SyNergy Gaming EoN. 303	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:42:00 - [19] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Vallud Eadesso wrote: This post fills me with some confidence that the playerbase is not totally full of strategically inept mouth breathers. The amount of people I've seen who just want a flying tank, rather than a dropship, are staggering. Good to see they can actually be used and used well. Flying dropships in pub matches is easy for a good pilot. I rarely ever go down unless I'm being way too aggressive or just dicking around. The problem is as soon as the enemy has ANY real AV on the field you're absolutely worthless and can be swatted out of the air with ease. In other words, the balance at the lowest common denominator end of the spectrum is fine, they just don't scale up to "proper" organized play. Yes, yes, and YES!!!
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1445	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:43:00 - [20] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: Makyre Vahliha wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: Try flying a dropship in a PC battle and let me know what happens You'll be surprised at how well my squadmate can fly during a tight battle. A lot of people get hard-on trying to shoot him down, but he gets away a lot. But having gunners is a whole other story. My squadmate screams at me when it comes to me shooting down certain targets. But that's because he knows his dropships well and I'm still trying to improve being a gunner. I've been flying dropships since they were free in the closed beta so I like to think I'm one of the better pilots. Regardless, if you get ambushed by a proto forge then no amount of flying skill will help you. Exactly. The problem is that the high end expensive dropships are only marginally better than the cheap-o starter dropships, but the proto-forge guns and swarm launchers are WAAAY more powerful than the low-end variants. So, as you skill upwards into dropships, and your opponents skill upwards into AV, the dropship actually gets WEAKER.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3291	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:45:00 - [21] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: So, as you skill upwards into dropships, and your opponents skill upwards into AV, the dropship actually gets WEAKER. Just like your wallet A dropship pilot who isn't attached to a corp's teet is a homeless person waiting to happen
Nguruthos IV Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 95	Posted - 2013.05.28 00:55:00 - [22] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: Makyre Vahliha wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: Try flying a dropship in a PC battle and let me know what happens You'll be surprised at how well my squadmate can fly during a tight battle. A lot of people get hard-on trying to shoot him down, but he gets away a lot. But having gunners is a whole other story. My squadmate screams at me when it comes to me shooting down certain targets. But that's because he knows his dropships well and I'm still trying to improve being a gunner. I've been flying dropships since they were free in the closed beta so I like to think I'm one of the better pilots. Regardless, if you get ambushed by a proto forge then no amount of flying skill will help you. Exactly. The problem is that the high end expensive dropships are only marginally better than the cheap-o starter dropships, but the proto-forge guns and swarm launchers are WAAAY more powerful than the low-end variants. So, as you skill upwards into dropships, and your opponents skill upwards into AV, the dropship actually gets WEAKER. This x1000 drop-ships scale so poorly in relation to their AV counterpart. At ten times the ISK and SP cost. All this, with a starting line of militia FG > militia drop-ship. Easily two shots dead and militia drop-ships are a joke as far as survivability. From there the disparity only get's worse.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1875	Posted - 2013.05.28 01:03:00 - [23] - Quote 5 dropships lost in one PC match, they can be useful if AV is light, but if they get a high position with 3 forge gunners your toast.
Moochie Cricket SyNergy Gaming EoN. 305	Posted - 2013.05.28 01:10:00 - [24] - Quote gbghg wrote: 5 dropships lost in one PC match, they can be useful if AV is light, but if they get a high position with 3 forge gunners your toast. The moment you start to become useful is the moment AV players go balls out
Makyre Vahliha The White Hawk Knights 126	Posted - 2013.05.28 01:12:00 - [25] - Quote .... We're getting too technical about how a dropship can be taken down. It's just like in real life, anyone can shoot down a military helicopter with a RPG in one shot, which is equivalent to AV weapon. I'm saying that one can be skilled in flying a dropship with practice, but not being invincible.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1875	Posted - 2013.05.28 01:13:00 - [26] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: gbghg wrote: 5 dropships lost in one PC match, they can be useful if AV is light, but if they get a high position with 3 forge gunners your toast. The moment you start to become useful is the moment AV players go balls out https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=80606&find=unread Bastards had 3 forge gunners on the tower in E7, made it impossible to do anything but fly at high altitude and die.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1448	Posted - 2013.05.28 01:18:00 - [27] - Quote gbghg wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: gbghg wrote: 5 dropships lost in one PC match, they can be useful if AV is light, but if they get a high position with 3 forge gunners your toast. The moment you start to become useful is the moment AV players go balls out https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=80606&find=unread Bastards had 3 forge gunners on the tower in E7, made it impossible to do anything but fly at high altitude and die. Honestly, 3 Forge Guns in an elevated position SHOULD make it impossible to do anything with a dropship. That's perfectly good balance IMO. The problem is, it really only takes 1 decent forge gunner anywhere with an even halfway decent vantage point to make it impossible to do anything with a dropship. Makyre Vahliha wrote: .... We're getting too technical about how a dropship can be taken down. It's just like in real life, anyone can shoot down a military helicopter with a RPG in one shot, which is equivalent to AV weapon. I'm saying that one can be skilled in flying a dropship with practice, but not being invincible. In real life a soldier can take down another soldier with a single pistol round. I guess ALL the guns should be OHK then, amirite?
Nguruthos IV Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 96	Posted - 2013.05.28 01:20:00 - [28] - Quote Makyre Vahliha wrote: .... We're getting too technical about how a dropship can be taken down. It's just like in real life, anyone can shoot down a military helicopter with a RPG in one shot, which is equivalent to AV weapon. I'm saying that one can be skilled in flying a dropship with practice, but not being invincible. Get outta here with that 'real life' garbage. Please. In case I needed to remind you, we're playing a game. Games need to be balanced to be fun, if I wanted to play real life I'd turn off the PS3. And how technology might scale billions of years in the future likely won't mimic Earth, year 2013.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 127	Posted - 2013.05.28 01:21:00 - [29] - Quote Makyre Vahliha wrote: .... We're getting too technical about how a dropship can be taken down. It's just like in real life, anyone can shoot down a military helicopter with a RPG in one shot, which is equivalent to AV weapon. I'm saying that one can be skilled in flying a dropship with practice, but not being invincible. and in real life 1 AR bullet kills at headshot as do all guns, not 3-4. we can go all day with these real life scenarios but in an HP argument it doesn`t make sense since DUST514 uses a lot of HP bar health systems unlike most run & gun games.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1875	Posted - 2013.05.28 01:27:00 - [30] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: gbghg wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: gbghg wrote: 5 dropships lost in one PC match, they can be useful if AV is light, but if they get a high position with 3 forge gunners your toast. The moment you start to become useful is the moment AV players go balls out https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=80606&find=unread Bastards had 3 forge gunners on the tower in E7, made it impossible to do anything but fly at high altitude and die. Honestly, 3 Forge Guns in an elevated position SHOULD make it impossible to do anything with a dropship. That's perfectly good balance IMO. The problem is, it really only takes 1 decent forge gunner anywhere with an even halfway decent vantage point to make it impossible to do anything with a dropship. Makyre Vahliha wrote: .... We're getting too technical about how a dropship can be taken down. It's just like in real life, anyone can shoot down a military helicopter with a RPG in one shot, which is equivalent to AV weapon. I'm saying that one can be skilled in flying a dropship with practice, but not being invincible. In real life a soldier can take down another soldier with a single pistol round. I guess ALL the guns should be OHK then, amirite? I know it's a perfectly valid tactic, but leave me to my rage, couldn't do crap, all I could do was do a couple of high speed dives on them and hope to land a hit, and then I would leave myself exposed low down, it's possible to dance with 1 forge gunner and kill him, but when you have 3 guys shooting at you? It's impossible.



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