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Bob Amarrley
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.26 15:28:00 -
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I browse this forum every day to see if anyone is seriously talking about lasers. The threads exist, but they are few and far between. I fear that with the optional respecs coming through this week, that the few holdouts will abandon lasers for good.
I have 11 milllon SP, with lasers nearly maxed out. I run proto amarr suits with viziams and I simply cannot compete. Out of frustration, and for an experiment, I threw a whopping 300k into AR...I clean up with a GEK with almost no skills. This is crazy.
Please please please give me some indication that lasers will be tweaked soon, or even that the bonuses on my amarr suits will be made worthwhile, or I will have to abandon this class and throw all my SP into something else. Every other person still trying to use lasers (I've met like 3) is thinking this way. I don't really want to play AR, but with my stupid lasers, my corp doesn't even want me in PC battles (I don't blame them).
Lasers are cool right? We want them in this game? Better do something quick. Once the respec comes through, I'm only going to be able to stand playing militia suits and murder taxi for so long. I doubt I'm alone on this. |
J Lav
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
75
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Posted - 2013.05.26 15:55:00 -
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I've decided not to go for a respec. I've held onto my laser skills, but don't use the weapon anymore. If they ever fix it, I'll probably use it again, but not like I used too. At the moment, I have found it so far gone, that CCP will probably make it the next TAC AR out of typical CCP over-correction. |
Bob Amarrley
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.26 15:57:00 -
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J Lav wrote:I've decided not to go for a respec. I've held onto my laser skills, but don't use the weapon anymore. If they ever fix it, I'll probably use it again, but not like I used too. At the moment, I have found it so far gone, that CCP will probably make it the next TAC AR out of typical CCP over-correction.
This is probably the smart way to go, but I just don't have the patience. I wanna play PC dammit. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
480
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Posted - 2013.05.26 16:18:00 -
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I hope that when we get that respec everyone specs into proto Caldari Logi with Tac AR's.
It will warm my heart to see the patch notes the following week. |
Green Living
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
313
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Posted - 2013.05.26 16:33:00 -
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LR user here. With my respect coming soon I'm also not sure I will continue using it. Why bother when I can go TAC AR, get the same range as the LR and do more damage. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.26 16:55:00 -
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I remember the days when the laser rifle, mass driver, and HMG were actually feared in Dust and moderately as effective as the assault rifle. I miss the days when we at least closer to weapon balance. Chromosome, Chromosome, where art thou Chromosome? |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1349
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Posted - 2013.05.26 17:09:00 -
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I never disliked lasers, so I feel your pain.
It's just all the bitching coming from the AR assault users. My scout fits have never had a problem with lasers. |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
319
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Posted - 2013.05.26 17:13:00 -
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I'm sorry to tell you brother (as a Chromosome LR user myself) that the LR range won't be tweaked. This is because it's a beam weapon. The TAR has more optimal than the LR, but this is because the TAR is simply the sketch for the upcoming Caldari Gauss Rifle. This gun has railgun technology, and in EVE, railguns have more optimal range than beam lasers. We just have to wait till the gun comes out and hope it gets balanced with spool time just like all the railguns. |
Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
62
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Posted - 2013.05.26 17:13:00 -
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+1
They've really ****ed over a lot of weapons. They were fine in Chromosome, but CCP is listening to the people in starter corps, that don't know you can't just shoot as something to make it go away. The people that thinking standing in front of an HMG will still let you live long enough to kill the heavy holding it. I could easily deal with an MD user, or a HMG user, or a Laser user. But the people that can't, are ruining this game, by QQing about everything other than the AR, which is incredibly OP now, thanks to the SAME newbies, complaining about it being terrible, against the proto-heavy they just went face to face with.
Message to everyone who complains about the weapons that are "OP", go to the Rookie Training Grounds, and figure out how to handle the game. There aren't many OP things now, that you made everything under-powered. Even a 9M SP player needs help once in a while. |
Arx Ardashir
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.05.26 17:18:00 -
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I was a major laser user in Chromosome, enjoyed it, and did quite well despite being a big, slow heavy (since ti was the only Amarrian suit). Even the Basic and ELM-7 (advanced) LRs were reapers of no-man's land.
When Uprising came out on the 6th, I hung onto a majority of my SP (investing only in core skills such as +25% armor and +25% shields) and waited for the new weapons to come out on the 14th before deciding which weapon to go with between the Scrambler Rifle and the Laser Rifle. During that week long time I read plenty of complaints about the LR that led me to hesitate and eventually choose the SR over the LR.
I haven't used the LR yet, but I certainly wouldn't hesitate to invest SP into it if it returned to a state similar to what it was in Chromosome.
Also, an extra +1 to OP for his name. Made me smile. |
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Bob Amarrley
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.26 19:29:00 -
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Arx Ardashir wrote:I was a major laser user in Chromosome, enjoyed it, and did quite well despite being a big, slow heavy (since ti was the only Amarrian suit). Even the Basic and ELM-7 (advanced) LRs were reapers of no-man's land.
When Uprising came out on the 6th, I hung onto a majority of my SP (investing only in core skills such as +25% armor and +25% shields) and waited for the new weapons to come out on the 14th before deciding which weapon to go with between the Scrambler Rifle and the Laser Rifle. During that week long time I read plenty of complaints about the LR that led me to hesitate and eventually choose the SR over the LR.
I haven't used the LR yet, but I certainly wouldn't hesitate to invest SP into it if it returned to a state similar to what it was in Chromosome.
Also, an extra +1 to OP for his name. Made me smile.
Heheh...I want a name respec too. My alt's (EMPTY 5LOT) is way better.
Anyways, glad to see a couple laser threads up. Would love to see someone from CCP comment on what their balancing strategy is, going forward. Is it possible that we can do some frequent small adjustments instead of constant flavour-of-the-month nonsense? I don't want the laser to be the next TAR. I just want to compete. Also curious if they have considered my main point, which I will re-iterate:
Allowing a respec right now is a bad idea, unless you plan yet another after more balancing. Think we have a TAR problem right now? Wait until next week. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1633
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Posted - 2013.05.26 20:10:00 -
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You know what's really hilarious?
They're going to fix the Tac AR.
But not before Monday, when everyone and their mother will spec into it, just like Heavy Missiles in EVE.
I don't know about you guys, but I'm gonna be trolling the hell out of all those tryhards when the balance changes for the Tac AR come in and the "I WIN" crutch is yanked out from under them.
How many respec threads you think we'll see? I'm betting at least the first two pages of GD.
As far as the Laser Rifle, I used to love that weapon. After watching Pyrex and lowratehitman use them, I decided not to try them when I logged in for the first time since the new build last night. I really want to see them be useful again. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
257
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Posted - 2013.05.26 20:18:00 -
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Bob Amarrley wrote:I browse this forum every day to see if anyone is seriously talking about lasers. The threads exist, but they are few and far between. I fear that with the optional respecs coming through this week, that the few holdouts will abandon lasers for good.
I have 11 milllon SP, with lasers nearly maxed out. I run proto amarr suits with viziams and I simply cannot compete. Out of frustration, and for an experiment, I threw a whopping 300k into AR...I clean up with a GEK with almost no skills. This is crazy.
Please please please give me some indication that lasers will be tweaked soon, or even that the bonuses on my amarr suits will be made worthwhile, or I will have to abandon this class and throw all my SP into something else. Every other person still trying to use lasers (I've met like 3) is thinking this way. I don't really want to play AR, but with my stupid lasers, my corp doesn't even want me in PC battles (I don't blame them).
Lasers are cool right? We want them in this game? Better do something quick. Once the respec comes through, I'm only going to be able to stand playing militia suits and murder taxi for so long. I doubt I'm alone on this.
I am a laser veteran with 12 million SP, and im here to explain why the laser just doesn't cut it anymore...... Its too niche. You cant use it close range, and because of the shotty controls and the blinding light its difficult to aim at medium to long range. Not to mention that Tac AR's can out DPS you at range. Its stupid really..... I was planning on speccing fully into the viziam when I get my respect, but now that ive thought about it..... its just not worth while. Ill be speccing fully into assault scrambler rifles, as I only have it partially specced and its good enough for me. The LR needs some sort of buff..... otherwise it just isn't worth it given its limited role on the battlefield right now. |
Esper Starline
Copper Dogs
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Posted - 2013.05.26 20:58:00 -
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I'm a pretty new player, and I specced a little into laser rifles just to see how they handled. They just don't hold a candle even to basic ARs. ARs obviously need a slight nerf and laser rifles need a decent buff at range, with perhaps a low mag scope and less reticle sway. They should be an alternative to sniper rifles at mid-range. I think that was their original purpose. |
Arcturis Vanguard
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
15
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Posted - 2013.05.26 21:30:00 -
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The biggest problem with the weapons in chromosome was the stacking of damage mods and sharpshooter skill. CCP devs admitted that the SS skill pushed weapons beyond reasonable limits for all future weapon releases. Would have been nice to see gameplay if those were removed/adjusted. Keeping changes simple and in small increments allow you developers to balance gameplay without the headache of QQing and petitions running rampant through the forums. Make your lives easier. "Baby steps" |
KrazyEyeKilla
Greek Death Squad
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Posted - 2013.05.26 21:58:00 -
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Other people have mentioned it but some sort of test server is needed to make sure these changes don't have such a detrimental effect on a weapon. Not saying that the lasers and the Viziam in particular didn't need a nerf because it did but this should have been tested before uprising was released. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.26 22:01:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:You know what's really hilarious?
They're going to fix the Tac AR.
But not before Monday, when everyone and their mother will spec into it, just like Heavy Missiles in EVE.
I don't know about you guys, but I'm gonna be trolling the hell out of all those tryhards when the balance changes for the Tac AR come in and the "I WIN" crutch is yanked out from under them.
How many respec threads you think we'll see? I'm betting at least the first two pages of GD.
As far as the Laser Rifle, I used to love that weapon. After watching Pyrex and lowratehitman use them, I decided not to try them when I logged in for the first time since the new build last night. I really want to see them be useful again.
Even if players spend tons of SP to use the TAC and it became as useless as the LR, those players will still have all their SP into the ever powerful AR. It's the weapon most of them likely used before the OP TAC. They won't lose a thing or learn any lesson about the necessity for respecs from putting SP into UP weapons. |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
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Posted - 2013.05.26 22:01:00 -
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Bob Amarrley wrote:J Lav wrote:I've decided not to go for a respec. I've held onto my laser skills, but don't use the weapon anymore. If they ever fix it, I'll probably use it again, but not like I used too. At the moment, I have found it so far gone, that CCP will probably make it the next TAC AR out of typical CCP over-correction. This is probably the smart way to go, but I just don't have the patience. I wanna play PC dammit.
So level your laser skill up to 5 and 1 to use the proto lasers and then spec into somethign else untill it's fixxed. |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1388
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Posted - 2013.05.26 22:06:00 -
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I find this hilarious.
Everyone said Lasers were OP and the rest of us were saying: "Nah, it's not. It's Damage Mods that are OP."
Lasers get nerfed, now they're useless and everyone's crying.
Reap what you sow, won't have any sympathy from me here - fix your own monster. |
Bob Amarrley
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
8
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Posted - 2013.05.26 23:38:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:I find this hilarious.
Everyone said Lasers were OP and the rest of us were saying: "Nah, it's not. It's Damage Mods that are OP."
Lasers get nerfed, now they're useless and everyone's crying.
Reap what you sow, won't have any sympathy from me here - fix your own monster.
Glad you're laughing, laughing is good. But who are you talking to? I don't think it was the laser users who were begging to be nerfed, but it is the laser users who are crying. The reapers aren't the sowers. That idiom doesn't really apply. It doesn't matter though, because no one needs your sympathy. We just wanna get this laser thing straightened out.
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Bob Amarrley
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.26 23:41:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Bob Amarrley wrote:J Lav wrote:I've decided not to go for a respec. I've held onto my laser skills, but don't use the weapon anymore. If they ever fix it, I'll probably use it again, but not like I used too. At the moment, I have found it so far gone, that CCP will probably make it the next TAC AR out of typical CCP over-correction. This is probably the smart way to go, but I just don't have the patience. I wanna play PC dammit. So level your laser skill up to 5 and 1 to use the proto lasers and then spec into somethign else untill it's fixxed.
Exactly what I've been doing. Thing is, to be successful in ultra-competitive PC, you need to be running in proto. So I need to dump my laser points somewhere else when my respec comes through.
The best thing about lasers in PC right now is that they don't pose much of a friendly-fire risk.
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Laurent Cazaderon
What The French CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.26 23:50:00 -
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Bob Amarrley wrote:I browse this forum every day to see if anyone is seriously talking about lasers. The threads exist, but they are few and far between. I fear that with the optional respecs coming through this week, that the few holdouts will abandon lasers for good.
I have 11 milllon SP, with lasers nearly maxed out. I run proto amarr suits with viziams and I simply cannot compete. Out of frustration, and for an experiment, I threw a whopping 300k into AR...I clean up with a GEK with almost no skills. This is crazy.
Please please please give me some indication that lasers will be tweaked soon, or even that the bonuses on my amarr suits will be made worthwhile, or I will have to abandon this class and throw all my SP into something else. Every other person still trying to use lasers (I've met like 3) is thinking this way. I don't really want to play AR, but with my stupid lasers, my corp doesn't even want me in PC battles (I don't blame them).
Lasers are cool right? We want them in this game? Better do something quick. Once the respec comes through, I'm only going to be able to stand playing militia suits and murder taxi for so long. I doubt I'm alone on this.
Stick with what you like. Flavor of the month will only make you sad when it's nerfed. Could you point me toward the laser feedback thread you're mentionning ? |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1389
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Posted - 2013.05.26 23:51:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Bob Amarrley wrote:I browse this forum every day to see if anyone is seriously talking about lasers. The threads exist, but they are few and far between. I fear that with the optional respecs coming through this week, that the few holdouts will abandon lasers for good.
I have 11 milllon SP, with lasers nearly maxed out. I run proto amarr suits with viziams and I simply cannot compete. Out of frustration, and for an experiment, I threw a whopping 300k into AR...I clean up with a GEK with almost no skills. This is crazy.
Please please please give me some indication that lasers will be tweaked soon, or even that the bonuses on my amarr suits will be made worthwhile, or I will have to abandon this class and throw all my SP into something else. Every other person still trying to use lasers (I've met like 3) is thinking this way. I don't really want to play AR, but with my stupid lasers, my corp doesn't even want me in PC battles (I don't blame them).
Lasers are cool right? We want them in this game? Better do something quick. Once the respec comes through, I'm only going to be able to stand playing militia suits and murder taxi for so long. I doubt I'm alone on this. Stick with what you like. Flavor of the month will only make you sad when it's nerfed. Could you point me toward the laser feedback thread you're mentionning ?
Wonder if that's some secret CPM code for "Yeah, we're nerfing the hell out of the TAR." |
TonYtigr
Les Rebelles A Qc
26
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Posted - 2013.05.26 23:57:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Could you point me toward the laser feedback thread you're mentionning ?
Cannot answer for him but there is this one. |
Bob Amarrley
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
8
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Posted - 2013.05.27 00:08:00 -
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TonYtigr wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Could you point me toward the laser feedback thread you're mentionning ? Cannot answer for him but there is this one.
That one is way better than any that I saw. Thanks for the link. |
Cinnamon267
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
68
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Posted - 2013.05.27 01:07:00 -
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I used the laser exclusively when it came out in Codex. But, now with the TAR being what it is, it's, almost, useless. I wonder how many of the Lasers issues will be fixed when the TAR isn't a problem anymore? My only complaint with the Laser is the sites. They need to be considerably less obstructive to be useful again. I still have 3 points in it and would like to keep it that way. I mostly use the SR, now. Wonder what will happen when improved sites and the TAR is adjusted properly. Hopefully good things. |
negative49er
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.28 03:12:00 -
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J Lav wrote:I've decided not to go for a respec. I've held onto my laser skills, but don't use the weapon anymore. If they ever fix it, I'll probably use it again, but not like I used too. At the moment, I have found it so far gone, that CCP will probably make it the next TAC AR out of typical CCP over-correction.
I only got the it to level one to get how it plays in the Uprising update it suck now so i don't have any feeling for it anymore until CCP fix it, I only use one skill that only 12,000 Sp easy |
TheEnd762
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2013.05.28 04:39:00 -
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I'm glad Lasers got nerfed. It's refreshing not to see 3+ instant death beams cascading back and forth from out of the cradle in Manus Peak, or off the raised platform in Line Harvest. |
Bob Amarrley
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
10
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Posted - 2013.05.29 01:37:00 -
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TheEnd762 wrote:I'm glad Lasers got nerfed. It's refreshing not to see 3+ instant death beams cascading back and forth from out of the cradle in Manus Peak, or off the raised platform in Line Harvest.
Yeah, because the TAC nightmare is so much more fun. |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
309
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Posted - 2013.05.29 02:22:00 -
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I feel for you guys, I really do. I used to be an HMG heavy in Chromosome, but now I just can't take the range. I just hope CCP doesn't overcompensate the **** out of the laser. We all know deep down that the viziam was OP, but they didn't need to nerf it into the ground. And hopefully they won't bring it back up by making it the ultimate win button again. |
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