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Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
85
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Posted - 2013.05.26 05:57:00 -
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Logi-Lavs aren't the problem. Collateral damage isn't a fix. Just something to help even things out. I don't think running people over should be prevented but it should have consequence. The Risk/Reward dynamic and all that.
Lastly throw in the shield damage too. That barrier prevents damage so let it dish out too. |
EKH0 0ne
R.I.f.t Orion Empire
43
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Posted - 2013.05.26 06:09:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote:This is why i have no sympathy for people complaining about LAVs
The whole team cant take out a single LAV? They deserve to get killed 36 times
It shouldn't take entire squads of AV to deal with anything when one person can operate a vehicle. One guy running a Logistics LAV can effectively ruin a battle because they're so difficult to kill. One guy running an HAV (who knows what the hell he is doing) can force an entire squad's worth of players to go AV and put the team at a massive disadvantage because now they suddenly are playing 10 against 15 infantry-wise (-6 from the AV squad and -1 from the HAV driver) When it takes an entire squad to operate an HAV, I'll accept requiring an entire squad of AV. Until then, vehicles only upset the balance of teams in this game. Open world environment doesn't have that issue but when you have 16 v 16, it creates a giant gap in the power balance. And honestly, it shouldn't take more than one round from my Proto AV gear to kill a Militia LAV. I put millions of SP into it, and heaps of ISK. You put nothing into yours. Why should you have an advantage?
NO SYMPATHY |
TEBOW BAGGINS
GHETTOSTAR GALACTICA
570
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Posted - 2013.05.26 06:30:00 -
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cry more and post pic or it didnt happen..
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Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2013.05.26 06:42:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:XiBravo wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote:This is why i have no sympathy for people complaining about LAVs
The whole team cant take out a single LAV? They deserve to get killed 36 times
I have witnessed Forge guns shooting through moving lavs and av nades tracking but not damaging them... Couple that with their speed and they can retreat, repair, repeat. But the logi lavs don't even need to retreat as they can tank like crazy. I have no problem with them being tough... It's the insta kill of any suit at any speed. They need to MASSIVELY reduce the impact damage to reduce them back to a transport vehicle with the turret being the best offense it has. Oh thank goodness. Thought I was shooting blanks. Was going to see the Doctor next week. Rather than make LAV strikes less damaging CCP just needs to inflict the same amount of damage on the LAV that it causes. Maybe not the best use of Netwon's Laws of Motion but it is simple and fair. Let the LAV Menace continue. There are Logi LAV drivers who have been waiting so very long for their revenge. How is that fair? Could you possibly explain how that's fair? |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
359
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Posted - 2013.05.26 06:51:00 -
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LAVS are crazy every game you go there is like 2-3 guys driving around going like 8-1 15-1 in LAVs. I am thinking of just playing in BPO and running people over. |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
109
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Posted - 2013.05.26 06:52:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:LAVS are crazy every game you go there is like 2-3 guys driving around going like 8-1 15-1 in LAVs. I am thinking of just playing in BPO and running people over.
Do it. |
XiBravo
TeamPlayers EoN.
58
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Posted - 2013.05.26 06:53:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote: Rather than make LAV strikes less damaging CCP just needs to inflict the same amount of damage on the LAV that it causes.
I'm all for that considering lavs hit dropsuits for over 10,000 damage... Fukem' |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
86
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Posted - 2013.05.26 07:06:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:XiBravo wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote:This is why i have no sympathy for people complaining about LAVs
The whole team cant take out a single LAV? They deserve to get killed 36 times
I have witnessed Forge guns shooting through moving lavs and av nades tracking but not damaging them... Couple that with their speed and they can retreat, repair, repeat. But the logi lavs don't even need to retreat as they can tank like crazy. I have no problem with them being tough... It's the insta kill of any suit at any speed. They need to MASSIVELY reduce the impact damage to reduce them back to a transport vehicle with the turret being the best offense it has. Oh thank goodness. Thought I was shooting blanks. Was going to see the Doctor next week. Rather than make LAV strikes less damaging CCP just needs to inflict the same amount of damage on the LAV that it causes. Maybe not the best use of Netwon's Laws of Motion but it is simple and fair. Let the LAV Menace continue. There are Logi LAV drivers who have been waiting so very long for their revenge. How is that fair? Could you possibly explain how that's fair? Which part?
- Conservation of Momentum
- The LAV Menace
3. Forge Guns potentially phasing through targets. (unlikely this one but had to list all because a three-point bulletin looks smarter)
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Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2013.05.26 07:09:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:XiBravo wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote:This is why i have no sympathy for people complaining about LAVs
The whole team cant take out a single LAV? They deserve to get killed 36 times
I have witnessed Forge guns shooting through moving lavs and av nades tracking but not damaging them... Couple that with their speed and they can retreat, repair, repeat. But the logi lavs don't even need to retreat as they can tank like crazy. I have no problem with them being tough... It's the insta kill of any suit at any speed. They need to MASSIVELY reduce the impact damage to reduce them back to a transport vehicle with the turret being the best offense it has. Oh thank goodness. Thought I was shooting blanks. Was going to see the Doctor next week. Rather than make LAV strikes less damaging CCP just needs to inflict the same amount of damage on the LAV that it causes. Maybe not the best use of Netwon's Laws of Motion but it is simple and fair. Let the LAV Menace continue. There are Logi LAV drivers who have been waiting so very long for their revenge. How is that fair? Could you possibly explain how that's fair? Which part? - Conservation of Momentum
- The LAV Menace
3. Forge Guns potentially phasing through targets. (unlikely this one but had to list all because a three-point bulletin looks smarter)
Hitting a dropsuit doing the equal amount of damage to the vehicle. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
87
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Posted - 2013.05.26 07:24:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:Which part? - Conservation of Momentum
- The LAV Menace
3. Forge Guns potentially phasing through targets. (unlikely this one but had to list all because a three-point bulletin looks smarter)
Hitting a dropsuit doing the equal amount of damage to the vehicle. Doing an equal damage isn't exactly fair. Some of the kinetic energy is transferred into flinging the merc away. If these things are built anything like the modern humvees running someone over isn't exactly going to cave in the hood.
I'm just saying CCP needs to take into account that there is an opposite force vectoring back into the LAV at impact. No free rides (pun intended) when it comes to running people over.
Aside I think roadkill should be part of this game. |
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Commander Tuna
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
34
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Posted - 2013.05.26 07:35:00 -
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I don't care of the defensive capabilities of LAVs. However it is bullshit how easy it is be killed simply by being hit by one. Seriously, it should either take out our shields or take 50% of our total health. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2013.05.26 07:46:00 -
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Commander Tuna wrote:I don't care of the defensive capabilities of LAVs. However it is bullshit how easy it is be killed simply by being hit by one. Seriously, it should either take out our shields or take 50% of our total health. Another one that wishes for physics to be thrown out because they can't bother with any AV capability.
Go back to Call of Duty. |
Kazeno Rannaa
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
175
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Posted - 2013.05.26 07:47:00 -
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All the more reason to take away the BPO's for vehicles and nerf the HP for LAVs, say 15%. |
Kazeno Rannaa
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
175
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Posted - 2013.05.26 07:48:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Commander Tuna wrote:I don't care of the defensive capabilities of LAVs. However it is bullshit how easy it is be killed simply by being hit by one. Seriously, it should either take out our shields or take 50% of our total health. Another one that wishes for physics to be thrown out because they can't bother with any AV capability. Go back to Call of Duty.
Actually the one hit kill by a vehicle is more COD than what the previous person was asking for.
No reason to be a crappy to someone. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2013.05.26 07:49:00 -
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Kazeno Rannaa wrote:All the more reason to take away the BPO's for vehicles and nerf the HP for LAVs, say 15%. Does that mean we get our 25% PG back? Because if not, then we won't have a deal.
Also, we don't all use the free LAVs. I'm spec'd out for the Methana, Saga, Charybdis, Limbus, and Callisto (useless). Why should I be nerfed when the only time I take out a free LAV (non-BPO for me) is to rendezvous with someone? |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2013.05.26 07:51:00 -
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Kazeno Rannaa wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Commander Tuna wrote:I don't care of the defensive capabilities of LAVs. However it is bullshit how easy it is be killed simply by being hit by one. Seriously, it should either take out our shields or take 50% of our total health. Another one that wishes for physics to be thrown out because they can't bother with any AV capability. Go back to Call of Duty. Actually the one hit kill by a vehicle is more COD than what the previous person was asking for. No reason to be a crappy to someone. There's no reason for physics to be denied just because he gets killed when things work the way they're supposed to. Why shouldn't people be killed by vehicles when they're moving at a decent speed? Like I've said before, the armor LAVs weigh a couple of tons. Is there any valid, logical reason that a few thousand pounds traveling 70mph shouldn't easily kill a dropsuit? |
XiBravo
TeamPlayers EoN.
59
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Posted - 2013.05.26 07:59:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Kazeno Rannaa wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Commander Tuna wrote:I don't care of the defensive capabilities of LAVs. However it is bullshit how easy it is be killed simply by being hit by one. Seriously, it should either take out our shields or take 50% of our total health. Another one that wishes for physics to be thrown out because they can't bother with any AV capability. Go back to Call of Duty. Actually the one hit kill by a vehicle is more COD than what the previous person was asking for. No reason to be a crappy to someone. There's no reason for physics to be denied just because he gets killed when things work the way they're supposed to. Why shouldn't people be killed by vehicles when they're moving at a decent speed? Like I've said before, the armor LAVs weigh a couple of tons. Is there any valid, logical reason that a few thousand pounds traveling 70mph shouldn't easily kill a dropsuit?
There is no logic and no need for it. It's a GAME, bases on science fiction, and Should be BALANCED. Also you are a complete Dbag and nowhere near as intelligent as you would like others to believe. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2013.05.26 08:04:00 -
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XiBravo wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Kazeno Rannaa wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Commander Tuna wrote:I don't care of the defensive capabilities of LAVs. However it is bullshit how easy it is be killed simply by being hit by one. Seriously, it should either take out our shields or take 50% of our total health. Another one that wishes for physics to be thrown out because they can't bother with any AV capability. Go back to Call of Duty. Actually the one hit kill by a vehicle is more COD than what the previous person was asking for. No reason to be a crappy to someone. There's no reason for physics to be denied just because he gets killed when things work the way they're supposed to. Why shouldn't people be killed by vehicles when they're moving at a decent speed? Like I've said before, the armor LAVs weigh a couple of tons. Is there any valid, logical reason that a few thousand pounds traveling 70mph shouldn't easily kill a dropsuit? There is no logic and no need for it. It's a GAME, bases on science fiction, and Should be BALANCED. Also you are a complete Dbag and nowhere near as intelligent as you would like others to believe. So by balanced, you mean physics done away with so cars can't kill people when they run into them. Got it.
Going to sleep now, have drinking to do during the day. |
Commander Tuna
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
35
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Posted - 2013.05.26 08:55:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Commander Tuna wrote:I don't care of the defensive capabilities of LAVs. However it is bullshit how easy it is be killed simply by being hit by one. Seriously, it should either take out our shields or take 50% of our total health. Another one that wishes for physics to be thrown out because they can't bother with any AV capability. Go back to Call of Duty. Why can't inertia dampeners work the other way? Since when did COD have vehicles in multiplayer other then tanks in WAW? You do realize this game attracks the cod/battlefield crowd. Also go suck a chode. |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
117
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Posted - 2013.05.26 12:15:00 -
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Commander Tuna wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Commander Tuna wrote:I don't care of the defensive capabilities of LAVs. However it is bullshit how easy it is be killed simply by being hit by one. Seriously, it should either take out our shields or take 50% of our total health. Another one that wishes for physics to be thrown out because they can't bother with any AV capability. Go back to Call of Duty. Why can't inertia dampeners work the other way? Since when did COD have vehicles in multiplayer other then tanks in WAW? You do realize this game attracks the cod/battlefield crowd. Also go suck a chode.
we realise this. its obvious by the amount of people who are crying about LAVs instead of destroying them |
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Yuki752
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.26 13:27:00 -
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Maybe damage to the Vehicle should also be sustained when running over a character. Because right now there is no risk atm for the LAV user, especially a buffed Logi LAV. As much as I find it hilarious to watch, I question it whenever a Heavy, or a Proto Suit gets one hit ko'd at what looks like 10mph. Talking about heavies, I even tried sniping out the driver to find he was a Heavy. Maybe disallow heavies to drive or even mount LAVs and HAVs, their supposed size should restrict them from even doing so. Limit them to only mounting dropships.
That and I've specialized into grenades and am using AV Grenades, which do absolutely minimal damage to heavy duty LAVs. Fine, yes, they are just grenades. So I even tried Swarm and Forge. NOTHING, dents them. Even if they do, they just turn tail repair and come back. Hell, a Logi LAV's defense feels like what all HAV's should be. At the moment I LAUGH at HAV's as I chuck AV Grenades at them.
Tl:DR
- Maybe vehicles should sustain damage when running over characters. - Heavies should not be allowed to mount LAVs, rather Dropships. - LAV defense too high, HAV defense laughably too low. Switch them around. |
Shady IceCream Truck
Silent Stalkerz Hephaestus Forge Alliance
25
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Posted - 2013.05.26 13:29:00 -
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Dark Deviser wrote:EDIT: why the hell would I run a tank when I can kill loads more people with a ****ing LAV?
23-4 my best.. course i do this all with a FREE ice cream truck, if you dont like it dont run AR's.. I hunt them specifically |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
118
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Posted - 2013.05.26 13:33:00 -
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were still crying about LAVs?
Dont worry buddy theres Wolves about, we'll protect you. Every one of us has AV nades and a forge gun.
it was pretty simple we just went to the militia store and stocked up. the AV nades were harder to come by but only morons dont spec into the first level of grenades |
Panther Alpha
WarRavens
297
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Posted - 2013.05.26 13:38:00 -
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Dark Deviser wrote:EDIT: why the hell would I run a tank when I can kill loads more people with a ****ing LAV?
Because is a "LAV Third Person View Road Kill game ( LTRK )" ? ... come on.. is so obvious..ohh.. wait.. you thought that was a FPS game ? No sorry. |
BOOOOOOM Headshot
Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS.
4
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Posted - 2013.05.26 15:05:00 -
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Dark Deviser wrote:EDIT: why the hell would I run a tank when I can kill loads more people with a ****ing LAV? Same here 39-0 with a logistics LAV , got some bonus WP by recharging shields |
J Lav
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
75
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Posted - 2013.05.26 15:47:00 -
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Hmmm, let's say I'm a newish player, with ~ 300 ehp, and I skilled into a scrambler rifle to see how it works. Now do I want to face a guy with 700 ehp, with a TAC rifle with 3 damage mods that does 2 x the damage, and can shoot further? Or do I get in a jeep and run him down because he's too stupid to take cover, having built bad habits of running around screaming "I'm indEstructAble!!!!!"
You've skilled into good weaponry, and it kills better than an LAV. Stop running around in the open, thinking you're amazing. |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
261
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Posted - 2013.05.26 15:50:00 -
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Fix radar so lavs can't sneak up on people and it'd be fine. There's no reason hav and lav shouldn't be on radar 100% of the time. That or make AV less boring so folks actually use it. Swarms suck and nobody wants to be super slow to use forge. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
100
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Posted - 2013.05.27 16:03:00 -
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Bones McGavins wrote:Fix radar so lavs can't sneak up on people and it'd be fine. There's no reason hav and lav shouldn't be on radar 100% of the time. That or make AV less boring so folks actually use it. Swarms suck and nobody wants to be super slow to use forge. You're.... joking, right? |
Full Metal Kitten
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
580
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Posted - 2013.05.27 16:12:00 -
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Dark Deviser wrote:why the hell would I run a tank when I can kill loads more people with a ****ing LAV? 36-0. Screen cap or it didn't happen. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1367
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Posted - 2013.05.27 16:24:00 -
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I hate it when people go for the FOTM.
Last build, I don't think a single person outside of BSOTT used LAVs for more than transport. |
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